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Edit: this has the potential to become a thread in which flame-wars are common. Don't let it happen. Just let us commiserate together to begin the healing process.

Got this idea from bright side.

Vent all of your anger here. It doesn't have to make sense. Knee-jerk reactions are fine. You will not be judged(I hope).

I'll start:

Letting Lou go was one of the dumbest mistakes we've seen over the past 6 years, and that's saying a lot.

I understand that we offered Amare a fair deal but we're worse without him.

I hate the Hedo Turkoglu trade right now. I understand that he has his positives, but the move didn't make sense when it happened and it doesn't make sense now. It's not his fault for being a crap power forward. He's a pretty good small forward.

I miss our team from last year.

I'm worried about how much we'll suck once Nash is gone. It's been 6 years since that 03/04 squad that went 29-53, and I've forgotten how to handle a losing team.

I still think Sarver drove Kerr/Griff out.

I actually miss Shaq after watching this team's inability to score without Nash.

Skinny Dudley sucks.

After our 2nd ousting of the Lakers(in quite thorough fashion) in 2007, nobody would have ever thought that they would win another title before we won our first. They've won two now, and it might be three this year. IThe Lakers and their fans make me want to kill myself.

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About the Hedo move, I think it was more Barbosa wanting to leave than it was the Suns wanting to trade him. I think there was a little bit of anger from Barbosa after Dragic became who we now know as The Dragon. If you watched the games once Barbosa was in the game with Dragic he wouldnt pass the ball too him and would always just try to take over and drive the ball to the hoop and throw up a prayer. Im glad Barbosa is gone. As for Lou, Ill take Warrick and Childress over Lou any day.

1. Letting amare go and trying to make a decent interior for once
2. resigning amare














3. letting amare go and replacing him with hedo

I miss Kerr. Badly.

More:

Jason Richardson's streakiness is bugging me.

Our team doesn't even TRY on defense. D'Antoni's teams at least seemed to try.

I can't think of Lon Babby without the question "How is babby formed?" popping into my head.

Lil Wayne sucks.

rsavaj wrote:Skinny Dudley sucks.

He's on a cold streak. He'll bounce back. It might have something to do with having a new role, too, considering there other guys taking minutes and shots from him.

well, is it a mistake to be a cheap a**?? we were cheap on guys like ama´re or lou. we have the freaking wrong roster, we need someone to step up at the pf spot, someone who kicks lopez´s a**. this guy seems to be lazy, the hedo project is not working since we have no chance to stop the opponent´s pf.

i love the suns and will always love them, no doubt about - but they need to get something done to fill some holes. there are a lot of big bodies out there, guys that can scratch and fight, that can rebound play defense - damn

the fact that our front office is made up of the agent of our players makes me think the roster problem wont be fixed and that we're in for a streak of losing seasons

1. Hedo was a mistake, huge mistake, because of the logjam that has been created and the lack of PF, we will probably make another mistake and trade our major scoring option in JRich and another player we really like to help ease the rotation.

2. Amare may have pissed most of us off like none other, but its obvious we miss him a heck of a lot more than any other player we have lost during the Nash years. Its also obvious that we were going to rely too much on Robin Lopez to be our interior presence, hope his back isn't a permanent recurring injury.

3. Hakim Warrick and JChill have been pleasant surprises, but do not make up for a poor offseason. Now we find ourselves in a situation where we will probably be giving up much more in a trade to get the position player we want. Every team knows what our weakness is and every team will be exploiting our weak defense and rebounding, and lets face it, if the Bobcats can exploit us most other teams can as well.

4. Skinny Dudley sucks and is killing his trade value.

5. Good decision to let go of Janning, cause Dudley looked great being our backup pointguard when Dragic goes to the bench, /sarcasm

6. Where the *^&$ is Lawal? We keep getting killed on the interiors and Lawal seems like he could help, seriously, we can't get any worse, give the rookie a shot!

7. Earl Clark may be actually earning himself playing time, further crapping up our rotation. At this point, I don't even care about his offense, if he can become a good defender and rebounder on this team, he'll earn his time.

8. Grant Hill can play until he's 40 if he keeps playing like this, but do we sacrifice a younger player just to keep Hill on this team? I like Hill and want him to retire as a Suns player, but we CAN NOT sacrifice a young prospect just for 2 or so more years of Grant Hill on what looks to be a lottery-bound team.

9. This team does not look anywhere near ready for playing post-Nash. Dragic is still developing, but he doesn't get the team going like Nash does. Its scary to see how poorly this team is playing without Nash and that we probably only have a year or two to fix it (if not sooner if Nash wants out this year)

10. After rethinking it over, I still hate Hedo

i agree that we totally miss Lou. His energy/rebounding/scrapiness/defense seemed to set the tone for that 2nd unit, which IMO is the main reason we went to the WCF. The 2nd unit won us games last year. Besides the void of Amare, that is the biggest thing missing from last year.

What i dont get... and what's really frustrating, is that they said Lawal was supposed to be a high energy - Lou type of player. (which we all saw in the summer league and preseason... even if he is raw). If he was supposed to replace Lou, then why not let him replace Lou for those 15 mpg or whatever?? He may not be the savior or score a ton of points... but his energy, rebounding, and annoying the others teams big guys would make a HUGE difference. Remember how many technicals Lou would draw?

and why is Dudley playing PG???????????????????? makes absolutely no sense! he's not a good ball handler, he's not quick, he's not that good of a passer... here's a list of guys on our team who I'd let dribble the ball and initiate the offense before him: Nash, Dragic, Hill, Turk, JChill, Jrich, Clark, Majerle. Dudley is my favorite player on the Suns... but there is no good reason of why he should be playing PG.

We need a f&king big. One of our 2 guards besides Goran needs to be shipped for one. I'm tired of seeing the opposition get 2, 3 chances every possession.

LOUD NOISES!!!LOUD NOISES!!!LOUD NOISES!!!

Alright, now that i got that out of my system!

I am hating the Channing Frye deal! Why couldn't we use that money to guarantee the rest of Amare's contract.

Skinny dudley is sucking. More than that, I hate him being the back up ball handler on the bench.

Why can't Josh's finger heal sooner?

rsavaj wrote:After our 2nd ousting of the Lakers(in quite thorough fashion) in 2007, nobody would have ever thought that they would win another title before we won our first. They've won two now, and it might be three this year. IThe Lakers and their fans make me want to kill myself.

I feel the same way, we use to dominate these guys. I miss the good 'ole days.

Edit: I don't miss d'antoni.

RunSunRun wrote:6. Where the *^&$ is Lawal? We keep getting killed on the interiors and Lawal seems like he could help, seriously, we can't get any worse, give the rookie a shot!

He is currently tearing up the D-League.

I think we over-payed for Frye and I said it the day we resigned him. I still think not signing Amare was the right move, however I think we should have went stronger at David Lee or even Scola would have been a great fit.

ginobiliflops wrote:I think we over-payed for Frye and I said it the day we resigned him. I still think not signing Amare was the right move, however I think we should have went stronger at David Lee or even Scola would have been a great fit.

Rational part of the 'irrational" thread.

Warrick and Childress has made losing Lou feel a bit better but I still thought he and Dudley were the hustle/defensive identity of the team.

We're definitely worse without Amare and now we could stand to lose even Nash if we start plummeting in the W/L column. We should've given Amare those last two guaranteed years when we were still talking extension back in Feb.

I have accepted that Hedo is our problem now and anything he does OK on the court really is like a drop of water in the desert. Anything is better than nothing. I never liked the trade, I laughed at Toronto for giving him that deal and I gave Orlando and Portland props for passing on him. And now he's our problem.

I thought we had plenty to work off last season and we drafted well this year too so I thought we could've been back at the top of the West if we just made the right moves. Like you, rsavaj, I thought we Sarver drove Kerr/Griffin away and we made a lot of questionable/bad moves during that transition period with no GM and we added a lot of mismatched talent. Also it might still be a bit early, but I don't really like Babby. I thought that because he's an agent, he's going to have that biased opinion in the front office and I thought that's how we got Hedo in the first place. Had Babby not had any dealings with the FO, I did not think we would've inherited Hedo.

Once Nash is done, unless we've found our next STAR (I'm not talking about capable role palyers like Lopez and Dragic), before he's gone, we're going to have a few losing seasons.

I don't really miss Shaq. I miss the combination of D'Antoni and Shaq. I really thought that season we missed playoffs was our year if we had kept D'Antoni because he turned Amare into an MVP candidate and Shaq was only a training camp away from being fully integrated into the team.

Edit: Though I'd add some more after doing a little reading.

It looks like a few do agree with my opinion that having Babby (an agent) around is bad for the FO. I still stand by that if Babby wasn't around, Hedo would not be our problem right now.

As much as anyone can hate Kerr for all the questionable moves he's made earlier in his GM career (KT trade, Marion/Shaq trade? etc) I thought he put us in a better situation than we've EVER been in since the beginning of the Nash era. We have an excellent offensive team that while not great defensively, got stops when we needed. Which is something we haven't been able to do for a long time. He got us, imo, the best bench in the league which allowed our starters to rest more and that brought us a defensive IDENTITY which we have never really flaunted.

Kerr also helped build our future with the draft picks of Lopez, EC, Dragic and Lawal and I felt like, we weren't mortgaging our future to stay competitive in the now. Back in the D'Antoni days, I felt like everything rested on our starters, from being competitive now to being competitive a few seasons down the track. We didn't really consider trying to extend the careers of Nash and Amare by getting them capable backups that fit the system. We had added a lot of make do options which never really fit into the system, cough *Marcus Banks* cough. Last season we had a capable defensive backup to Amare with Lou and we drafted well with Gani Lawal, who looked to be a possible future back up to Amare. We've groomed Dragic to be a very good role player who's letting Nash play less minutes while still leading an excellent 2nd unit.

come on guys, you realy think a guy like lou would help here? or lawal? they are not the answer. they can´t be the answer.

and stop getting mad with gentry, everyone of us in here preised him last season with how he uses his bench more, plays more defense, has a better rotation. he is still the best coach in this situation for this team

rsavaj wrote:Edit: this has the potential to become a thread in which flame-wars are common. Don't let it happen. Just let us commiserate together to begin the healing process.

Got this idea from bright side.

Vent all of your anger here. It doesn't have to make sense. Knee-jerk reactions are fine. You will not be judged(I hope).

I'll start:

Letting Lou go was one of the dumbest mistakes we've seen over the past 6 years, and that's saying a lot.

I understand that we offered Amare a fair deal but we're worse without him.

I hate the Hedo Turkoglu trade right now. I understand that he has his positives, but the move didn't make sense when it happened and it doesn't make sense now. It's not his fault for being a crap power forward. He's a pretty good small forward.

I miss our team from last year.

I'm worried about how much we'll suck once Nash is gone. It's been 6 years since that 03/04 squad that went 29-53, and I've forgotten how to handle a losing team.

I still think Sarver drove Kerr/Griff out.

I actually miss Shaq after watching this team's inability to score without Nash.

Skinny Dudley sucks.

After our 2nd ousting of the Lakers(in quite thorough fashion) in 2007, nobody would have ever thought that they would win another title before we won our first. They've won two now, and it might be three this year. IThe Lakers and their fans make me want to kill myself.

Even in starting an "irrational rant/panic" thread, you're rational and make a **** of sense.

Cosign on everything, except the Turk thing. I'm still in favor of Turkoglu and I feel like before everything is done, he'll prove is worth. Hell, sealing the Laker game is enough for me at this point.

Lawal is questionable since he's still so raw but I think Lou really can help. The 2nd unit brought us a defensive identity and that's what they were known for. Now, despite losing defensive boneheads like LB and adding defensive guys like Childress, our 2nd unit seems to have completely forgotten how to defend. I think that has to do with the lack of a rebounding banger. Now we have guys like Childress, Frye and Dudley trying to "bang" for boards against guys who are taller, heavier and better suited for the rebounding game than them. Lou, with his athleticism, hustle and relentlessness really gave our 2nd unit better rebounding opportunities and we all know defensive begins with rebounding. Lou also gave us a shotblocking presence which we really don't have right now, in our starting unit or 2nd unit.