Analysis: Suns improving!(pg 5)

Post #1 » by **rsavaj** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:49 pm

http://arizona.sbnation.com/phoenix-sun ... s-dont-lie

Sad.

YouTube · Post #2 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:54 pm

rsavaj wrote:http://arizona.sbnation.com/phoenix-suns/2011/1/25/1955364/phoenix-suns-are-worse-since-the-big-trade-the-numbers-dont-lie

Sad.

It sucks because its what we had to do to get rid of BALL!

Jrich was doing great, VC......eh....not so much.

Clark wasnt getting any time, but neither is Pietrus.

The only saving grace is Gortat. I still think he would preform better if we gave him the starting spot. I look at this trade as JRiCH/Turk/Clark for Gortat.

Azsports77 · Post #3 » by **Azsports77** » Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:13 pm

When you have an owner who is a complete idiot and I mean complete idiot the Suns future looks bleak until this moron sells the team because nothing he has done or been a part of has made this team better and most of what he has done was to save money the only thing he seems to care about. .How could Jerry Colangelo be such a bad judge of character oh wait he is not he sold to the party willing to pay the most why he told fans this bs that he was trying to find an owner that would want to win at any cost which was a bold face lie.

Anyway Sarver needs to sell the team but first fire Lance Blanks he has no business being employed by the Suns considering he was Lebron's bitch in Cleveland and nothing more a yes man if you will. Does Sarver think we are stupid Blanks and the GM is not making the decisions Saver is still making the decisions and Lon Babby and Blanks are Saver's escape goats for all the brainless moves that he pulls. Saver sell the **** team because until he sells there is no reason to pay to watch the crap he will undoubtedly have on the court once Nash leaves and Nash will leave this season no way is he going to put up with this crap any longer.

Sundamental · Post #4 » by **Sundamental** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:01 am

Kudos to Seth Pollack. He's been the voice of reason in regards to the Suns this year but his words have fallen on deaf ears. How you can give up the two best players in a trade and expect to come out on top is beyond me. And as Seth has mentioned previously (not in this article) this trade's greatest problem was that it may eventually lead to the FO deciding it's time for Nash to go.

I've done some of my own analysis that's a bit different than his approach and believe had the original team been keep together they had a reasonable chance of gelling and could have made a run comparable to last year, perhaps even better. Most people failed to realize how absolutely brutal that early season schedule was, not just in terms of playing good teams but playing a vast majority of the tough teams on the road. Compared to the prior years team, when matching teams played and location played, this years team was actually two games ahead of last years pace. And, this was in spite of all the bonehead moves made by Gentry like using Earl Barron and using Turk at the four.

RaisingArizona · Post #5 » by **RaisingArizona** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:09 am

For the future, I still like the deal. Gortat is a quality big we can build around. We wern't going to be able to retain jrich next year anyways. Clark is a project that we didn't want to keep working on. Carter will be gone next year( thankfully) and hopefully Pietrus will opt out.

Frank Lee · Post #6 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:24 am

So essentially we swapped

Barbosa/Clark/JRich for Pietrus/Carter/Gortat

Im not buying the numbers game the article lays out. For it is just a snap shot of right now.

Had the deal(s) not been made, I do not imagine all that much of a different result, record wise. We'd still be getting killed on the boards, and in need of size. And looking to deal JRich.

Had the deal not been made, next yr we would have had an expiring Barbososo, no JRich, and an option on unknown Earl. Now we will have an expiring Pietrus and Gortat(inked for 3). May be these do not translate into more immediate wins, but at least we have a GD center, and only at the expense of our Brazilian Blurb.

Am I looking at this incorrectly ?

I think this trade has yet to fully pan out, ie the Gortat's development... and a possible Pietrus trade. The real fault found for this off season was the signing of both Warrick and JChill. Had we acquired a true PF FA, we would certainly be in better shape. but thats spiltmilk... souring spiltmilk.

I just disagree with the author's shortsighted assessment.

PS ^ Gino with the echo

JohnVancouver · Post #7 » by **JohnVancouver** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:40 am

Azsports77 wrote:When you have an owner who is a complete idiot and I mean complete idiot the Suns future looks bleak until this moron sells the team because nothing he has done or been a part of has made this team better and most of what he has done was to save money the only thing he seems to care about.

I can't even read this kind of post anymore

King Of Wang · Post #8 » by **King Of Wang** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:46 am

JohnVancouver wrote:
Azsports77 wrote:When you have an owner who is a complete idiot and I mean complete idiot the Suns future looks bleak until this moron sells the team because nothing he has done or been a part of has made this team better and most of what he has done was to save money the only thing he seems to care about.

I can't even read this kind of post anymore

why because he is speaking facts?

RunDogGun · Post #9 » by **RunDogGun** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:52 am

Frank, you forgot to add a late first, and cash.

King of Wang? Do I want to know how you got that name? :lol:

King Of Wang · Post #10 » by **King Of Wang** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:02 am

RunDogGun wrote:Frank, you forgot to add a late first, and cash.

King of Wang? Do I want to know how you got that name?

lol its not what you think. i wouldnt disclose that type of information on a forum filled with 99.9% men lol. it was a joke at the time because i made this account during the playoffs last season and i wanted to talk crap to laker fans, but after they beat us i just went in hiding til now lol :p

Frank Lee · Post #11 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:03 am

King Of Wang wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:
Azsports77 wrote:When you have an owner who is a complete idiot and I mean complete idiot the Suns future looks bleak until this moron sells the team because nothing he has done or been a part of has made this team better and most of what he has done was to save money the only thing he seems to care about.

I can't even read this kind of post anymore

why because he is speaking facts?

Probably because you PeeWees get on here and sooner than later go into your not-so-unique rendition of Sarver sucks and Sarver is an idiot... blah blah blah. Yes, after a while its all the same bucket of pee.

Many are disappointed in the current state of affairs, but to blindly label EVERY move as a disaster and wrong for this organization reeks of myopia.

But go ahead... get it out, put in your tampon and de-bloat.

King Of Wang · Post #12 » by **King Of Wang** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:08 am

Frank Lee wrote:why because he is speaking facts?

Probably because you PeeWees get on here and sooner than later go into your not-so-unique rendition of Sarver sucks and Sarver is an idiot... blah blah blah. Yes, after a while its all the same bucket of pee.

Many are disappointed in the current state of affairs, but to blindly label EVERY move as a disaster and wrong for this organization reeks of myopia.

But go ahead... get it out, put in your tampon and de-bloat.[/quote]
yes, and its fans like you who ensure sarver that he is not a criminal and he can continue this crap to us. if you want something to change you have to speak your mind and not back down, no matter how many people think your stupid. i care about my suns, not what you think. good day

Frank Lee · Post #13 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:22 am

I dont insure anything... but you can go ahead and make your mantra an antiSarver one... you wont be alone. It just get boring to have every thread circle back to the same o same o.

You have already said your piece on him. Dont expect everyone to bootlick you into prominence. Speak your mind son.... but your words matter not, except to define you.

This is the place where dreams are made and nightmares occur. and everyone sooner or later makes their own bed.

grumpysaddle · Post #14 » by **grumpysaddle** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:38 am

King Of Wang wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:
Azsports77 wrote:When you have an owner who is a complete idiot and I mean complete idiot the Suns future looks bleak until this moron sells the team because nothing he has done or been a part of has made this team better and most of what he has done was to save money the only thing he seems to care about.

I can't even read this kind of post anymore

why because he is speaking facts?

I can't read them anymore because this poster doesn't know how to write a sentence correctly. Usually, it's just a wall of text with a random period somewhere.

BurningHeart · Post #15 » by **BurningHeart** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:43 am

King Of Wang wrote:
JohnVancouver wrote:
Azsports77 wrote:When you have an owner who is a complete idiot and I mean complete idiot the Suns future looks bleak until this moron sells the team because nothing he has done or been a part of has made this team better and most of what he has done was to save money the only thing he seems to care about.

I can't even read this kind of post anymore

why because he is speaking facts?

No, because he's barely speaking English.

.....I wasnt terribly crazy about the trade then, and I'm not terribly crazy now. I want to see what happens with Carter once he's eligible to be dealt again.

Post #16 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:42 am

At least he's added in a break in between the paragraphs. That's an improvement, I guess.

Frank Lee · Post #17 » by **Frank Lee** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:17 am

grumpysaddle wrote:
I can't read them anymore because this poster doesn't know how to write a sentence correctly. Usually, it's just a wall of text with a random period somewhere.

Ah yes.... the 'GrammaticalSaddle' weighs in....

BurningHeart wrote:No, because he's barely speaking English

Not always a hindrance... many here are able to post coherently even though English is their second (or third) language.

Content trumps all.... but like a timeless joke, delivery is important

Calvin Klein · Post #18 » by **Calvin Klein** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:26 am

We've kind of had a teenage wave with some posters lately.

DRK · Post #19 » by **DRK** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 12:05 pm

About the trades, sure Vince is underperforming, but who cares? He's gone by the end of this season anyway, and so would've J-Rich if he had stayed.

If we minus out J-Rich and Vince from the equation, (since they were not going to be re-signed) the deal is basically Hedo and Clark for Gortat, Pietrus and a 1st.

The deal was very good from a financial standpoint. Hedo had to go. His contract would've killed us. For all you ballboys calling for a total rebuild now, but dont like the trade, Hedo's contract would've SEVERLY limited our loiberties if we were to rebuild. This trade was a deal that needed to be made.

lilfishi22 wrote:At least he's added in a break in between the paragraphs. That's an improvement, I guess.

Must've gotten tired. I would've gotten tired too if I had only 5 full stops in 256 words. (Yes I counted...) On average, a full stop appeared every 51 words. That must be some sort of record around here.

JohnVancouver · Post #20 » by **JohnVancouver** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:03 pm

Da_Reel_Kboy wrote:About the trades, sure Vince is underperforming, but who cares? He's gone by the end of this season anyway, and so would've J-Rich if he had stayed.

If we minus out J-Rich and Vince from the equation, (since they were not going to be re-signed) the deal is basically Hedo and Clark for Gortat, Pietrus and a 1st.

--- Which if we backtrack a boit more , is LB for Gortat, Pietrus and a 1st. Which is a very good deal for us.
And I agree completely about the financial aspects of the deal. In the end, Hedo was well worth getting. Just not keeping.