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Hey whats good guys, i had a 2 hour break between my class yesterday and was trying to find a way to kill time and so i looked up Robert Sarver's wikipedia and made the following post but they deleted it immediatly lol (long read and you guys all prob know the psychotic things he has done to destroy our dynasty potential team by now and end up with this crap so you can just skip to bottom if u like):

"Robert Sarver is widely known throughout the NBA and its fans as the worst owner in the league, and to many, worse than Donald Sterling of the Clippers. These opinions stem from extremely good reason as when you realize all of the atrocious, purely money-saving personel decisions he has made for the Suns it is hard to justify this man's actions. The Phoenix Suns, in the 2004-2005 season(year he bought the team), had by far the best future in the league, as well as being instant contendors every year. With a team full of superstars, present and budding, in Steve Nash, Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, prime Shawn Marion, and many other solid contributors and future first round picks acquired from teams in previous deals. The Suns were almost guaranteed to win championships and maintain an amazing future as well as long as the team had an owner who cared about winning. Unfortunately for the Suns and its die-hard fans, Robert Sarver bought the team after these players were assembled under Bryan Colangelo and that is where the demise of the Suns had begun. After the Suns had one of the greatest regular seasons in NBA history, led by MVP Steve Nash, Shawn Marion, and budding superstars in Amare Stoudemire and Joe Johnson, they faced the San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference Finals with homecourt advantage. Unfortunately, Hoe Johnson broke his nose in the previous series against the Dallas Mavericks and had to miss the first three games of the series and the Suns lost three heartbreaking games to San Antonio. When Joe Johnson returned in game 4, the amazing team was back together and they obliterated the Spurs in game 4 at San Antonio. Sadly, their 3-0 was too big too overcome at that point and they succumbed the series, but even after the series, everyone around the league now realized the Suns as a force to be reckoned with as long as they kept the team together which should have been easy right? Nash had joined the Suns that year and became league MVP, Shawn Marion was an all star small forward putting up 20-10 with great defense, while Amare and Johnson were extremely young and already stars and were only going to get better. Unfortunately Joe Johnson's contract had expired and it was time to re-sign him but then the cancer known as Robert Sarver did not sign him to save money over winning championships and they lost him to Atlanta. Even after tProxy-Connection: keep-alive
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t, the Suns still had a solid team consisting of their three remaining stars and solid pieces. The Suns during this time had a glaring need for a backup pg for Nash and had the 21st overall pick acquired in a previous trade and drafted future all-star Rajon Rondo. However, Robert Sarver struck again, and instead of paying half a million dollars for their point guard of the future, he traded him to Boston for cash considerations. This would not be the first or the last time that Sarver did this, as he traded the number 9 overall pick in the 2004 draft (which would have been Andre Iguodala or Luol Deng) for a future late first-round pick and cash considerations. Then he again he traded THAT pick, which would have been Rudy Fernandez again for cash consideration. The atrocities did not end there as he made a multitude of horrendous money-saving and team decimating trades to the Suns franchise. Sarver also seems obsessed with over-the-hill players that are simply revenue gainers due to their past success but bring no current talent level to the team: Such as trading a still in his prime Shawn Marion for a 37 year old, broken down Shaquille o'neal. Then trading a prime Jason Richardson, and promising rookie Earl Clark for a 35 year old Vince Carter. The finishing dagger blow to the Suns official clinching blow to the Suns, prior to the Richardson trade, was Sarver's unwillingness to sign potential MVP candidate Amare Stoudemire. Amare was adament about staying in Phoenix for the rest of his career as long as he got paid what he deserved and his owner was committed to winning. Amare was in love with Phoenix and simply wanted a max deal which was nothing at all compared to his talent level and ability to carry a team. Even Rudy Gay got a max extension that off-season and Amare is twice the player he is. However, with Robert Sarver as the Suns owner, he refused to pay Amare and lowballed him with an unguaranteed deal that was chump change compared to New York's offer. Sarver knew Amare would never even think about signing that deal and simply made it in an attempt to save-face with the public by acting like he tried to re-sign him. Steve Kerr, his best friend, and hired GM by Sarver(he was simply Sarver's puppet during his term as Phoenix Gm) even quit the team and went back to broadcasting immediatly after realizing how chape and uncommited to winning Sarver was. The Suns now have the worst future in the nba and are now a .500 team with their best hope being an 8th seed and first-round exit, and no hope of even getting a solid lottery pick to rebuild. Phoenix is now stuck in NBA mediocrity, which is the worst position you can be in, as well as no solid young talent, and their best players all being over the age of 35. Many of his other atrocious trades have not even beeen mentionted but as you can tell, Robert Sarver is the worst owner in the history of the NBA, simply due to the fact that the Suns could have had a dynasty for years to come and now they have ended up with this and no champoionships now, or in the foreseeable furture as long as he is the Phoenix Suns owner."

But anyway, I still cant believe what he has done to our team, and me being a die hard Suns fan since i moved to az and fell in love with basketball( early marbury days i think), it is just so much worse for me than if we never had a great team to begin with. If sarver did this crap in New York, the fans would there would have already roasted him at the stake and sent him packing back to San Diego. I knew for sure this guy was up to no good ever since he started selling our first round picks(that we desperately needed to add depth) for F'ing CASH!!! its psychotic and i have no idea how this man has not been protested or something and removed as owner as our beloved team. i was wondering if there is any hope for this cancer to leave our team and go back to his banking business because he obviously doesnt give 2 s**ts about winning or the fans. I would be willing to bet you guys that if some psycho held one of our fans hostage and told him that if he just gave him 2 dollars that he would let them go, or if not he would kill them...that sarver would rather keep his 2 dollars and watch us die. He is that psychotic and i am sick of having the owner of the team that i love be this damn cheap. What was the point of even buying the team in the first place??????? im sorry to rant you guys but this guy needs to be gone from our team and go poison someone else. i love our team to death and root for them in even the worst seasons such as this, but it is just depressing because i know that as long as he is our owner there is no hope whatsoever. if we ever get lucky and land a future beast, he will just release him too and sign some scrub to save money. It is sad and i hope robert sarver sees this because he is the human definition of cancer in my eyes. Sarver please get lost!!!!!!!

EDIT: sorry there is a gap in the middle there is something wrong with this computer and it doesnt let me edit that thing out lol

King Of Wang wrote:EDIT: sorry there is a gap in the middle there is something wrong with this computer and it doesnt let me edit that thing out lol

Too bad.... I was looking forward to an uninterrupted MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT.

I read the words "had a break in class" and scrolled down to see how long this thing was. Pass.

Paragraphs are your friend. Don't be afraid of them

ya sorry as i said u could have skipped that part if u liked. but thanks for your productive input on the topic

Frank Lee wrote:

King Of Wang wrote:EDIT: sorry there is a gap in the middle there is something wrong with this computer and it doesnt let me edit that thing out lol

Too bad.... I was looking forward to an uninterrupted MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT.

Incredible, I just glanced over it and saw the paragraph spacing and said "about time"; then you said it was a glitch in the computer that caused your space

I figured Frank would beat me to the punch....Fantastic....I smiled throughout this post

Btw, what school do you attend

JMac1 wrote:

Frank Lee wrote:

King Of Wang wrote:EDIT: sorry there is a gap in the middle there is something wrong with this computer and it doesnt let me edit that thing out lol

Too bad.... I was looking forward to an uninterrupted MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT.

Btw, what school do you attend

Harvard

Frank, that was nice! I didn't even read it. It looked like too much work.

i like how everyone here is too lazy to read two paragraphs yet they have like thousands of posts on this site haha. not one actual response on my topic yet lol. if u guys want i can delete that long post thing, i just copied and pasted it from what i wrote earlier in case some people didnt know exactly wat sarver has done to our team and they wanted to be more informed on the topic.

King Of Wang wrote:..... i just copied and pasted it from what i wrote earlier in case some people didnt know exactly wat sarver has done to our team and they wanted to be more informed on the topic.

Oh... so you wrote it ?? Here I thought that was from Wikileaks.


Thanks for summarizing the past 5 yrs of this forum.

I read the newest edition of what the Suns could have been in Bill Simmons book of basketball in a Chicago airport on Christmas eve. Long story short, we could currently have a team of

Nash/Rondo
Joe Johnson/Rudy Fernandez
Matrix/Deng
Stat/ Lou
Who cares/we'd already have 5.5 all-star calibur players

It hurts

This thread is going to be epic

I'm posting right now to reserve a post...response comming up shortly

Seeing as how Donald Sterling is ACTUALLY a criminal, calling Bobert one doesn't make any sense.

Wow you really have been a suns fan for a long time.. what, like 8 years? ha.

I don't hate Sarver nearly as much as everyone else does. Most of things you said are so subjective it's ridiculous.

I like Bill Simmons, but that lineup doesn't make any sense. We're not the lakers/knicks, we can't afford a payroll like that. I know we drafted those players, but players get traded during the draft all of the time, the reason we were able to pay marion so much all of those years is because we were selling our youth. I don't like it, but at the time, I'm sure we all remember, marion was a bad ass.

Anyway, the guy shouldn't be a GM, and certainly should have never let Mike D be the GM (who made almost every bad decision in the books, including trading all of those draft picks). The biggest mistake I can name of Sarver is letting Steve Kerr walk.

irish22022 wrote:Wow you really have been a suns fan for a long time.. what, like 8 years? ha.

I don't hate Sarver nearly as much as everyone else does. Most of things you said are so subjective it's ridiculous.

I like Bill Simmons, but that lineup doesn't make any sense. We're not the lakers/knicks, we can't afford a payroll like that. I know we drafted those players, but players get traded during the draft all of the time, the reason we were able to pay marion so much all of those years is because we were selling our youth. I don't like it, but at the time, I'm sure we all remember, marion was a bad ass.

Anyway, the guy shouldn't be a GM, and certainly should have never let Mike D be the GM (who made almost every bad decision in the books, including trading all of those draft picks). The biggest mistake I can name of Sarver is letting Steve Kerr walk.

My view of the matter is we could have either payed Marion, or traded him or Joe Johnson and Deng/Iggy (whichever we picked) or Rondo for Kevin Garnett. We probably could have afforded that, and we would have most certainly been a championship team. I agree that that lineup doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but using the assets for real trades rather than for 3 mil is a much better use of them and if we had a good, crafty GM, they couldn't have been thinking purely with their bank account

Why do people keep saying Sarver is cheap? He took on Shaq's massive contract to help this team win a championship and it didn't work, so he was traded.

And why should he have paid Marion that ridiculous amount of money Marion was demanding? Have you seen how much he has declined these last three years since he made that trade demand after he demanded to be paid 20 million dollars a year?

And yes, D'Antoni deserves a lot of blame too.

- He gave Marcus Banks that terrible contract.

- He pushed harder than anybody else to get rid of Marion for Shaq

- He then quit on the Suns two months after the trade. (Which led to Terry Porter being hired)

- He refused to hire Tom Thibodeau

- Wasn't it said that David Griffin really liked Rondo, but D'Antoni said he would never play him, or something like that?

- He played a big role in costing the Suns that Game 1 in the 2008 playoffs which started their downfall. (Not putting Hill on Finley when Finley hit that 3 pointer to send it to OT, then choosing not to foul which led to Duncan's 3 pointer to send it to double overtime.)

And the team TRIED to get Garnett in 2007, but Marion killed the trade.

Sarver has already admitted that not re-signing Joe Johnson was a mistake. But everybody makes mistakes.

The only move that can be considered "cheap" was trading Kurt Thomas after the Suns probably would have won the 2007 title if not for the suspensions.

Hahaha, you lost me at "Hoe Johnson"

The Diesel wrote:Why do people keep saying Sarver is cheap? He took on Shaq's massive contract to help this team win a championship and it didn't work, so he was traded.

And why should he have payed Marion that ridiculous amount of money Marion was demanding? Have you seen how much he has declined these last three years since he made that trade demand after he demanded to be payed 20 million dollars a year?

And yes, D'Antoni deserves a lot of blame too.

- He gave Marcus Banks that terrible contract.

- He pushed harder than anybody else to get rid of Marion for Shaq

- He then quit on the Suns two months after the trade. (Which led to Terry Porter being hired)

- He refused to hire Tom Thibodeau

- Wasn't it said that David Griffin really liked Rondo, but D'Antoni said he would never play him, or something like that?

- He played a big role in costing the Suns that Game 1 in the 2008 playoffs which started their downfall. (Not putting Hill on Finley when Finley hit that 3 pointer to send it to OT, then choosing not to foul which led to Duncan's 3 pointer to send it to double overtime.)

And the team TRIED to get Garnett in 2007, but Marion killed the trade.

Sarver has already admitted that not re-signing Joe Johnson was a mistake. But everybody makes mistakes.

The only move that can be considered "cheap" was trading Kurt Thomas after the Suns probably would have won the 2007 title if not for the suspensions.

hey brother, now dont take offense to this post because it is by no means mocking you or saying that you are wrong, you are entitled to your opinion and i respect that.

but first off, your name is 'diesel' so im guessing you are prob a shaq fan huh lol, so maybe you might be overestimating his value to this team a little bit. no doubt shaq WAS a top 3, maybe top center in nba history in his prime(imo opinion he was number 1 in his prime, he was literarally unstoppable). but when he came to phoenix he was done. yes he put up good stats and all but i watched almost every game during his time here and he was not a good fit for this team, and not to mention, san antonio's hack-a-shaq'ing cost us that series. anyway, im not saying he wasn't a decent contributor to this team given his age and mileage(you can thank the training staff for that), but it is pretty easy to see that sarver only makes trades for $$$$$$$$$$$. shaq is the most profitable name in the league and no gm in the league would have traded any decent talent for shaq at that time, ask anyone. he was being mocked to retire by everyone including his peers, he was literally becoming the laughing stock of the nba at that time. i remember going on the internet and seeing the suns traded marion for shaq i nearly broke my computer i was so pissed lol.

but ya lol, that is what sarver does, he brings in profitable names so casual fans think the suns made a beast trade, yet all the true fans and people that routinely watch basketball know it is the worst trades possible. for example, me and my friend were talking about the carter trade when it happened and we knew it was a horrendous trade for us because we know wince is washed up. he was a monster in his prime no doubt, but face it, he is done. On the other end, my friends's mom was like wooooo vince carter?!?!?! Suns are winning the championship baby!!! LOL


and to the poster that said sarver is not cheap because he spends so much money(sorry im too lazy to go back and look up name)- if our team is this bad it only proves that sarver is not only cheap as peanut but (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as well. if you see all of the trades he has made to save money(which is pretty much EVERY trade lol), then you wouldn;t be saying that. sarver has the tendency to lose a critical piece to save money, then take backlash for it and try to save face by overpaying scrube. i would rather him not sign the scrubs at least so we can have some cap space but nooo. he freakin releases amare and then goes and signs CHANNING FRYE, HEDO TURKOGLU, and HAKIM WASRRICK for MOREEE money!!!! lmao what a disease.

oh and someone mentioned the Kurt Thomas trade i completely forgot about that!!!! LMAO Kurt Thomas(a solid big man) and TWO UNPROTECTED FORST ROUND PICKS to okc just to get rid of his salary!!!!!

and someone correct me if im wrong....but didnt OKC use one of those first round picks from the KT trade on SERGE IBAKA?!?!?! that man is guna be a beast i called it over a year ago. lets add ibaka to the list of Rondo, Fernandez, Luol Deng/Iggy, etc. that sarver has traded for the best player in the nba..........................CASH!!!!!!

and before anyone says i have an agenda against sarver for only pointing out his negatives. believe me.....i tried for 6 years to be positive with this guy and not be so negative but this season has been the finishing blow at me not posting my frustration. in fact i agreed with ONE trade his whole era, and that was the jrich for diaw trade. i absolutely loved that trade at the time and getting rid of the croissant, and dudley blossoming into a beast was an added bonus (and believe it or not, i am pretty sure that trade was ALL kerr and griffin anyway lol, but il still give him some credit for it i guess to make me not look so biased against him lol). but every other trade made in his era has made me vomit

DBrimstone wrote:I read the newest edition of what the Suns could have been in Bill Simmons book of basketball in a Chicago airport on Christmas eve. Long story short, we could currently have a team of

Nash/Rondo
Joe Johnson/Rudy Fernandez
Matrix/Deng
Stat/ Lou
Who cares/we'd already have 5.5 all-star calibur players

It hurts

yes, it breaks my heart brother. i watch the heat and lakers and how good they are and i know that if we had a decent owner, right now we would be even BETTER than those teams believe it or not, and none of our players were gift-warpped scandilously like pau or Lebron and Bosh, we would have done it the right way and not be as hated as those teams are today. actually maybe as hated because we would have been dominating the league the previous 5 years and every other team's fans would have been butt hurt at us by then lmao

and dont forgot serge ibaka, and other solid FA signings we would have attracted for the Mid level exception because there are many solid players that would take paycuts to win championships. our team could probably rival showtime lakers or larry's celtics talent wise.