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There is talk of another amnesty clause in the new CBA and I thought it would be fun to try and guess which players may be amnestied, and which players PHX might have interest in (or even where they might go).

My list of potential Amnesty candidates and destinations:

Marvin Williams SF (LAL)
Dasagna Diop C (MIA)
Al Harrington PF (DAL)
Charlie Villanueva PF (MIA)
James Posey SF (MIA)
Ryan Gomes SF (BOS)
Metta World Peace SF (LAC)
Mike Miller SF (ATL)
Travis Outlaw SF (NY)
Gilbert Arenas PG (LAL)
Andreas Nocioni SF (SA)
Brandon Roy SG (PHX)
Richard Jefferson SF (NJ)
Jose Calderon PG (MIA)

I'd love to see PHX take a flyer on Roy, if we can get any amount of high level production out of him it would be amazing:

Nash, Brooks
Roy, Dudley
Hill, Childress
Frye, Warrick
Gortat, Lopez

Or even bring him off the bench the first year to create for the 2nd unit.

Nash, Brooks
Dudley, Roy
Hill, Childress
Frye, Warrick
Gortat, Lopez

Roy would be a project. He would come off the bench with highly limited minutes (20). I don't think that's his claim. I think he could do much better with another team.

I disagree GH. Nev, I put together almost that exact same lineup on a coment last night. I am with you. I think Roy could excel here and it could be a great situation where he could get minutes without a ton of pressure while still making a great push for the playoffs.

Getting him would also allow us to use other trade assets to solidify our 4 position with a banger/low-post scorer to compliment Frye and Gortat on the front line.

I wouldn't sign him to more than a one year deal. So why would Roy choose us over Miami if they would offer him a multiple year contract with more money? If he signs to a one year deal I would have no problem with him but I highly doubt that this will happen.

In Miami he would be marginalized in a bench role behind the big 3. Can't see MIA offering significantly more money as they are already capped out with around 6 guys under contract.

Also, signing with us on a 2 year deal similar to Hill's BIannual Exception would be good for both parties. He could use that time with the PHX medical staff to try and get back to health. If he can, then he'd be much more likely to get a decent paycheck after the 2 years.

Yes he's still young enough to sign a short 2 year deal, but with those knees, you know he wants to have some security upwards of 4 years.

sunskerr wrote:Yes he's still young enough to sign a short 2 year deal, but with those knees, you know he wants to have some security upwards of 4 years.

I honestly can't see anyone wanting to commit 4+ years to a guy that may never be able to play a full season ever again. Especially with a looming hard cap/ super tax, where every dollar is going to count.

Also, consider that he's already going to have $60+million heading into his pockets, so the difference between 2 years at the min, and 4 years at the min is pret negligible in the grand scheme of things.

What will the amnesty provision allow for ? Seems to me, the owners will not make it a situation where they have to release the player in question. That would be shooting the foot of a few squads who have heavily invested in a few players.

I could see Portland retaining Roy and his 15-20 minutes a night.

Seems like the last time the league did this, the player could only make what he was making already. If player A was signed for 3 mill... and his amnestied salary was 10, his former team was on the hook for the remaining 7. Not sure though, but either way, an amnesty provision would expand the free agent market considerably...or may be pollute it.

Brandon Roy as a sixth man for Dudley would be quite satisfying.

I still don't understand why you guys are taking interest in another wing player. we're over-the-top when it comes to that already.

Here's my goal:
Buyout Vince Carter
Trade Lopez and Warrick for draft picks or cash
Pursue a good big man (Al Harrington, preferably)

Nash-Brooks
Dudley-Pietrus
Hill-Childress
Harrington-Morris
Gortat-Frye

Keep in mind, Lopez and Warrick didn't do $h!t for us last year, which was a huge problem. We need a big man, and to get rid of a wing or two. Roy wouldn't satisfy that need.

With a starting 5 of Nash, Dudley, Hill, Harrington, and Gortat, we have great defense (with the exception of Nash), and great post game. Nash, Dudley, and Hill can all shoot from outside, opening up the post for Harrington and Gortat. Plus, with Harrington and Gortat playing together down low, the chances of rebounding are increased immensely, giving more opportunities for Nash to run fastbreaks.
Our bench is equally dangerous. Brooks, Pietrus, and Frye can all shoot threes. For the most part, the bench has pretty good defense, with highlights of Childress and Pietrus. Morris and Frye are fair rebounders and post defenders. This lineup would give the suns a nice spark off the bench.

I would rather start myself instead of Harrington. We also need a shooting guard that can create for himself. I love Dudley. If we start him, we need someone off the bench who can do this (e.g. Ben Gordon, Brandon Roy or Jamal Crawford. Bringing Roy on a short deal would be the perfect solution. Dudley can knock down threes while playing with Nash and Roy's leading the second unit while being another go-to-guy in the clutch.

But we won't go anywhere without starting caliber PF who can score and grab some boards . Frye did very well last season but he would be a perfect 6th man on front. Maybe we can trade Lopez/Pietrus/future pick for Paul Milsap. I still love this Carter/Lopez for Jamison/Sessions trade. At least one of these could be realistic.

Nash / Brooks (Sessions) / Dowdell
Dudley / Roy
Hill / Childress
Milsap (Jamison) / Morris / Warrick
Gortat / Frye / Siler

Al Harrington is a shooter, and his defense is very questionable. He was a very good "all around" offensive player, but now he has not leaping ability due to his age and weight. In my opinion, he is not a good option.

Saberestar wrote:Al Harrington is a shooter, and his defense is very questionable. He was a very good "all around" offensive player, but now he has not leaping ability due to his age and weight. In my opinion, he is not a good option.

True, he's a little more offensively talented than Frye, but the further he gets into his 16-year contract, the less his body will allow him to utilize it. As he ages, expect him to become more and more a spot up shooter/ stretch PF. And unlike Frye, he is useless defensively.

He actually reminds me of a 6-10 current day Vince Carter..

sunsfan3 wrote:I still don't understand why you guys are taking interest in another wing player. we're over-the-top when it comes to that already.

We currently have 4 wings under contract, one of which is guaranteed to be gone (Carter) and another who is disgruntled (Pietrus). Even if you factor in a re-signed Hill, that only leaves us 4 wings, and while they are all pretty quality, most teams will carry at least 5 to cover injury.

That's why, if Peaches is traded, we'll need at least someone to replace him, even if it's only a 20mpg bit player.

Frank Lee wrote:What will the amnesty provision allow for ? Seems to me, the owners will not make it a situation where they have to release the player in question. That would be shooting the foot of a few squads who have heavily invested in a few players.

I would be very surprised if they were allowed to keep a player whom they amnestied. That would be too much reward for teams who have spent frivolously - both allowing them grace financially, AND talent wise. The aim of amnesty is to give teams the option of financial relief to correct poor signing decisions.

Frank Lee wrote:Seems like the last time the league did this, the player could only make what he was making already. If player A was signed for 3 mill... and his amnestied salary was 10, his former team was on the hook for the remaining 7. Not sure though, but either way, an amnesty provision would expand the free agent market considerably...or may be pollute it.

I believe a player could be signed for whatever, but as he (generally veterans) was already making an exorbitant amount, they opted to sign for location over wage.

And you're right, I recall that when a player signed for another team, the amount for which he signed came off his old teams salary cap. Not sure if they still payed the whole amount though.. I think they did actually? it was simply a matter of cap reduction.

Otherwise, all players would have just signed for the minimum, knowing that the would be getting the same amount anyway, and that their new team would have more cap space to improve.

PS 38 days until my next USA trip, woot!
Weren't you heading west around now Frank?

PS 38 days until my next USA trip, woot!
Weren't you heading west around now Frank?

There and back Nevets... Hiked the GCanyon, saw my mamma, messed around in Puerta Penasco... had a 'Nellos' pie. Trip would have been complete if I could have worked in a 'Chuckbox' burger. Still to hot though. I understand all the crankiness from the 'locals' here.... that Sun will fry you into a bad mood... 42C at the end of Sept ????. At least you'll get a break.... may be even a ballgame.

I think you're right on with the amnesty releasement. I was wondering how this will affect Vince's trade value. Seems like it could reduce his marketability to teams only experiencing a true cash problem. I'd be surprised if we are/will be able to get any value for HalfMan-HalfOff

Frank Lee wrote:There and back Nevets... Hiked the GCanyon, saw my mamma, messed around in Puerta Penasco... had a 'Nellos' pie. Trip would have been complete if I could have worked in a 'Chuckbox' burger. Still to hot though. I understand all the crankiness from the 'locals' here.... that Sun will fry you into a bad mood... 42C at the end of Sept ????. At least you'll get a break.... may be even a ballgame.

That sounds awesome buddy. Wish we could have crossed paths and caught up. Can't wait to experience the Az heat.. Let's hope we have some NBA so I have a reason to head down there.

At this stage it's just a One week whirlwind of LA and Vegas.. But if there's games on, you know I'll be heading to the valley for the Bulls/ Knicks back to back. I have to send our mate Impulse a bell too..

The Phoenix Suns "All In" Approach - Get Nash a Title, or Bust - SS's Pipedream

Step One
Trade Carter + Lopez + 2012 1st to Utah for Jefferson + Bell

Step Two
Sign Roy once he gets released by Portland

Step Three
Amnesty Warrick

PG - Nash / Brooks
SG - Roy / Bell
SF - Hill / Dudley
PF - Jefferson / Lawal
C - Gortat / Frye

Boom!

I don't think Roy will work as a starter together with Nash. Both need the ball and Roy doesn't like the up-tempo style. Starting Dudley and Roy leading the bench would be perfect.

^ can you imagine if we started

Nash
Dudley
Childress

And had a bench of

Brooks
Roy
Hill

That's a savvy bench right there.