Should Morris start over Frye?

Revived · Post #1 » by **Revived** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 4:54 am

Frye is one of the worst starting PFs in the NBA and its not even close. Wanna know what's the difference between us and teams with winning records? They have a better PF or at least someone who isn't a chucker.

Benching Frye is simply addition by subtraction. Similar to when we got rid of Shaq. Getting him off the court makes us better, and then when you add someone productive like Morris it just makes us so much better than we are right now.

He averages 4 pts, 8 rebounds (most of this due to good boxing out from Gortat or Morris) and the most astonishing stat of all for a starting PF: 19% FG shooting while his 3pt shooting is at 12%. Those numbers are record low for a starting PF in case you were wondering. I don't even think in the D League there's a starting player putting up those kind of numbers.

Morris on the other hand has not received much playing time because of our great HC who plays favorites more than anyone else. But in very limited action, he has put up 7 pts 2 steals 2 blocks 2 assists & 9 boards, 9 pts & 3 boards, 15 pts, 6 boards & 1 block, and 16 pts & 9 boards. He averages 8 pts & 7 rebounds a game on a remarkable 61% shooting from the field and 55% shooting from 3. A lot better than Frye and most importantly, he's showing the hustle, energy, basketball IQ and court feel that Frye is not. Starting Morris not only helps win now but also helps him develop faster because of the extended playing time and the chance to play with Nash & other starters.

Frye might discover his shot later but its not worth losing games over. That too in a shortened season, we can't afford to waste games just so Frye can get his shooting touch back. Let him discover his shot in practice or off the bench in games not a starting role.

Its sad that we have a bum of a HC as Alvin Gentry but sooner or later we have to hope that he realizes his boyfriend or favorite player Channing Frye just flat out sucks. There's a reason he was a bench warmer before he came to the Suns and Nash made him look good. But now Nash is getting up there in age and cannot continue to make scrubs like Frye look good.

Last season Gentry waited til we got eliminated out of the playoffs to start Gortat over Lopez....let's see if he repeats that same mistake again with Morris and Frye.

START MORRIS OVER FRYE!

YouTube · Post #2 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:18 am

Yes.

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JohnVancouver · Post #3 » by **JohnVancouver** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:19 am

The Frye hate is out of control, and more than a little silly. Of all the players to rag on ... his pctgs. are terrible yes, but that's what happend when you slump in the first week of the season. Look at his numbers since her's been here, and that they came up consistently, and that he worked as hard or harder after singing his new deal than he had before.
He's best, for us, in the second unit as a center. Start Morris for that reason and because he shows huge promise and needs to play the minutes to make the mistakes and learn the big league game. But Frye is a bargain for us and a huge asset to the Suns/Nash game.
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ma_falaa_50 · Post #4 » by **ma_falaa_50** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:30 am

yes but frye needs someone like nash to get him flowing early. if he comes off the bench, he wont have that luxury. we need him to get going.

_Nashoholic_ · Post #5 » by **_Nashoholic_** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:36 am

Should Nash start over price? Should LeBron start over Battier?

bigfoot · Post #6 » by **bigfoot** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 5:39 am

Yep ... way too much Frye and Gentry hate. What really matters is whose playing in the fourth quarter. Against the Warriors both Frye and Morris were playing at the end. Spread the floor with two shooters and create gaps for Nash's dribble penetration.

RunDogGun · Post #7 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:01 am

I don't mind Frye starting, it seems to give Morris an extra push to play harder. When Frye catches the pass in rhythm he shoots just fine. If he has to re-adjust in any way (at least this season) he can't hit anything.

But I still feel that we have to have either Nash or Hill in the game. Our offense looks terrible when they are both out, and it turns into a bunch of guys trying to go one on one. Not a lot of ball movement. It seems strange that many teams have been going with two points at the same time.

I was a bit shocked that we didn't go with a "bean a Biedrins" tactic for a bit. That dude completely sucks from the line. :lol:

grumpysaddle · Post #8 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:42 am

Why are there so many irritating posters these days?

Safety Pickle · Post #9 » by **Safety Pickle** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 6:45 am

grumpysaddle wrote:Why are there so many irritating posters these days?

Great contribution to the thread

Revived · Post #10 » by **Revived** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:01 am

bigfoot wrote:Yep ... way too much Frye and Gentry hate. What really matters is whose playing in the fourth quarter. Against the Warriors both Frye and Morris were playing at the end. Spread the floor with two shooters and create gaps for Nash's dribble penetration.

If what matters is who's playing in the 4th QTR then why start Nash, Hill, Gortat and Dudley?

Might as well start the bench so that Nash, Hill, Dudley & Gortat can get the rest for the 4th QTR.

grumpysaddle · Post #11 » by **grumpysaddle** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:08 am

Thanks! I try.

And, mostly I get irritated when posters say the exact same things over and over and over and over, in a variety of threads. We get it after the first few times... Everyone is freaking out over how the Suns are so awful, and they're "the worst team/shooting team/rebounding team/whatever" in the league... DOOM GLOOM blah blah blah. The Suns started hitting their shots today, and they looked good.

Frye will find his shot. Morris should start on occasion, perhaps, but he's a rookie that hasn't quite proved himself yet. He won't start. Outside of Frye's miserable shooting, the Suns know what they are getting from him. You put Morris in the starting lineup now, and he won't continue to push to be better. Let him earn it.

Like I mentioned in the GSW game thread, once the Suns start getting back into NBA form, and knocking down their shots, instead of leaving them all short, the Suns can roll out a lineup with 5 3pt shooters, depending on the matchups...

Nash/Redd/Dudley/Morris/Frye could be a real problem for teams. Have Morris and Frye switch up between posting up, and spacing the floor.

I like Markieff a lot so far, but let's not overrate him. He shouldn't start, yet. Key word being "yet".

I'm also tired of all the non-constructive complaining about Gentry. Starting a post off on a forum with, "Trust me..." or some other kind of ridiculous subjectivity is aimless.

How exactly is Frye "one of the worst starting PFs in the NBA and it's not even close"? Where's your proof for that statement? Frye's job is to rebound (which he's done), and to take the shot when it's there. You know he can shoot. He shot almost 40% from 3 last season, and 44% the season before. He'll find his shot. He's also averaging 8rpg so far, which is 3 above his career average. Dude is trying.

Having both Frye and Morris is something that sets the Suns apart, as they are very similar players. You can take one out, and have the same talent replace them. (I know, I know... "Frye sux lol")

BringinDaRuckus · Post #12 » by **BringinDaRuckus** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:51 am

I just want Morris to get a lot of playing time. It would be awesome if he could win rookie of the year. That would be the one shining moment to this Suns season.

RunDogGun · Post #13 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:56 am

grumpysaddle wrote:Why are there so many irritating posters these days?

Should I be concerned that you followed my post with this? :lol:

But, "trust me" Gentry is clueless. :lol:

just kidding. :wink:

RunDogGun · Post #14 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 7:59 am

BringinDaRuckus wrote:I just want Morris to get a lot of playing time. It would be awesome if he could win rookie of the year. That would be the one shining moment to this Suns season.

He is only getting three less minutes than Frye. None of our guys are playing huge minutes.

BringinDaRuckus · Post #15 » by **BringinDaRuckus** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:07 am

RunDogGun wrote:
BringinDaRuckus wrote:I just want Morris to get a lot of playing time. It would be awesome if he could win rookie of the year. That would be the one shining moment to this Suns season.

He is only getting three less minutes than Frye. None of our guys are playing huge minutes.

I guess I just want consistent mins. And not do what the suns always do with rookies....make them ride the pine despite the starter lacking production just because we pay em starter money.

RunDogGun · Post #16 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:26 am

BringinDaRuckus wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
BringinDaRuckus wrote:I just want Morris to get a lot of playing time. It would be awesome if he could win rookie of the year. That would be the one shining moment to this Suns season.

He is only getting three less minutes than Frye. None of our guys are playing huge minutes.

I guess I just want consistent mins. And not do what the suns always do with rookies....make them ride the pine despite the starter lacking production just because we pay em starter money.

I see what you are saying, but besides Frye's shooting, where is he lacking? He is averaging eight boards a game, and has two double doubles out of five games. Imagine if the game he would break his slump is the game where Gentry starts Morris to kill any confidence Frye may have had.

I don't think Gentry has the same rookie hang up that other coaches we have had have. Although I still don't understand his rotations, and pulling hot hands.

Revived · Post #17 » by **Revived** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:38 am

To those saying "Other than shooting, what has Frye lacked?" I have a better question; Other than rebounds, what has Frye done?

RunDogGun · Post #18 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 8:49 am

I forgot to add that in three more minutes that Frye is getting over Morris, he is averaging half as many turnovers and fouls than Morris. Other than that, they are pretty similar in stats besides points and rebounds. Morris is almost double in points and vice versa for rebounds.

But itis a wash, they are both playing similar minutes. I am not so worried about those two guys, as I am other guys, and our offense when Nash sits.

DRK · Post #19 » by **DRK** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 9:27 am

Yes. Only because he is what you call a "true power forward."

If you look in the dictionary, and search for "Power Forward," a picture of Markieff Morris will come up.

Frye is more of a PF/C Hybrid. yes he can shoot the three well, and can rebound very well, but I think he would play best with the second unit.... trailing off a fast break and hitting 3's at the top of the key.

With Markieff in the starting unit, Nash has another PnR partner to work with, which expands our offensive repertoire. Markieff also has the ability to score in the low post, which is something Frye has never been able to do, and is an ESSENTIAL skill for a Power Forward.

Frank Lee · Post #20 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Jan 3, 2012 12:14 pm

sunsfan88 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:Yep ... way too much Frye and Gentry hate. What really matters is whose playing in the fourth quarter. Against the Warriors both Frye and Morris were playing at the end. Spread the floor with two shooters and create gaps for Nash's dribble penetration.

If what matters is who's playing in the 4th QTR then why start Nash, Hill, Gortat and Dudley?

Might as well start the bench so that Nash, Hill, Dudley & Gortat can get the rest for the 4th QTR.

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Should Markieff Morris start over Channing Frye at PF?