Gentry

[Sunsdeuce]

Its time to let him walk. For those of you who watched the last game. Clearly he is lost and clueless right now. Just wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on him.

Ps. Please cut telfair and trade Lopez immediately

[mybloodisorange]

The Suns had no chance at winning with or without Gentry. The team is transitioning into rebuilding mode and sadly losing comes along with rebuilding. Don't try to hang the coach please, im sure they arent trying deparately to win-I call it tanking lite.

I guess you forgot about just over a year ago when Gentry took us within 1 World Peace put-back away from the finals. Thats the crappy thing about most sports, the players usually get credit when you win and coaches get all the blame when you lose.

[Kerrsed]

[Revived]

Other than that 1 fluke season where we went to the WCFs, what has he accomplished?

[Sunsdeuce]

Very insightful kerrsed, thanks

Anyway. I think gentry is a nice guy and all but time to move on.

What's up this the board anymore hardly anyone posts new threads. I love reading everyone's comments. Let's get on the ball suns fans

[Kerrsed]

Very insightful kerrsed, thanks

Anyway. I think gentry is a nice guy and all but time to move on.

What's up this the board anymore hardly anyone posts new threads. I love reading everyone's comments. Let's get on the ball suns fans

People do make new threads (everyday), but the low number is due to not having that much different subjects to talk about, and because there really hasnt been any news to talk about. All the other subjects are covered in the Trade thread, Game Thread, and the Draft Prospect thread. But i posted that picture because after every loss, the game thread turns into a Gentry thread, then an hour later, a New Gentry thread appears. It seems to happen after every loss, so im thinking we just need a stickied Gentry thread.

[thamadkant]

Suns are in a transition year, where they are simply waiting for the off season to splash on new talent, new core and youth for the future.

And yes, at the same time, Nash and co are doing their best to look respectable and try to win winnable games..... which ever games those are.

[RunDogGun]

The Suns had no chance at winning with or without Gentry. The team is transitioning into rebuilding mode and sadly losing comes along with rebuilding. Don't try to hang the coach please, im sure they arent trying deparately to win-I call it tanking lite.

I guess you forgot about just over a year ago when Gentry took us within 1 World Peace put-back away from the finals. Thats the crappy thing about most sports, the players usually get credit when you win and coaches get all the blame when you lose.

I wouldn't say Gentry did that, other than building Goran's confidence. Like I said in another thread, he was trying to sub out guys that were playing great, and if we didn't have such selfless starters besides Amare, those players would have never developed like they did. The starters would just go back to the bench and tell Gentry that there was no need to check in.

Follow that with the next year, he didn't fight to keep Lou, who's hustle brought the team together. Then Gentry went back to subbing out the guy with the hot hand, and went back to D'Antoni's stubbornness of not calling timeouts when the other team goes on a big run and completely takes over the momentum. And this year is the same thing.

Gentry should be fired, because he sucks as a head coach. Good assistant, but terrible head.

[DRK]

No. Gentry should not be fired. The man is doing what he can with a crap lineup like we have. It's not the man's fault that we are not winning, because we've seen what he can do with a well balanced lineup.

I like how he has made the move to start Morris, and I like how he's got the balls to bench a guy making 6 million a year because he doesnt fit.

Right now, its easy to blame the coach. The coach is always the scapegoat. Gentry is not the reason for this mess right now. It's the way the team has been constructed by the FO.

This season is irrelevant. half the players on our team will not be here next year, because they were signed with one thing in mind. Short term roster fillers that will preserve our capspace for next season.

Next season is where the real fun starts guys. And I would take Gentry as our coach next season over lets say.... John Keuster.

[RunDogGun]

No. Gentry should not be fired. The man is doing what he can with a crap lineup like we have. It's not the man's fault that we are not winning, because we've seen what he can do with a well balanced lineup.

I like how he has made the move to start Morris, and I like how he's got the balls to bench a guy making 6 million a year because he doesnt fit.

Right now, its easy to blame the coach. The coach is always the scapegoat. Gentry is not the reason for this mess right now. It's the way the team has been constructed by the FO.

This season is irrelevant. half the players on our team will not be here next year, because they were signed with one thing in mind. Short term roster fillers that will preserve our capspace for next season.

Next season is where the real fun starts guys. And I would take Gentry as our coach next season over lets say.... John Keuster.

What!? A mad a bunch of points that ARE his fault. He doesn't tweak his offense to fit guys on the team. The balls to bench guys making money? He needs balls to bench guys that go rouge and turn into black holes. Instead he just let's them run ragged. You saw what a balanced two lineup that totally gels with each other, does. But since he can't get that back, he continues to try and run two lineups that aren't working.

We have gone six to seven minutes scoring three to four points. He waits until we are down ten plus before calling timeouts, and then keeps the same f*cking lineup that could do crap, in the game. I have no idea why that would be thought of good coaching.

He is not a head coach, and if Nash isn't here next year, but Gentry remains, I promise that we will suck even worse than we do now.

[sunskerr]

You can't expect a coach to turn lead into gold. We clearly have a lack of talent. 3 of our starters are bench players. We have two guys tops every night contributing. It's easy to blame the coach and it happens all too often. I for one think Gentry should be the coach to lead the Suns through a new post Steve Nash era.

[sunsbum]

I dont think hes lost or clueless at all, I think hes trying to play mixologist and find something that clicks since nothing else has.

[sunny1]

You can't expect a coach to turn $hit into gold. We clearly have a lack of talent. 3 of our starters are bench players. We have two guys tops every night contributing. It's easy to blame the coach and it happens all too often. I for one think Gentry should be the coach to lead the Suns through a new post Steve Nash era.

I absolutely agree. Except one little thing i fixed up there.
There's a bunch of problems a coach can't fix. We have no starting caliber shooting guard. Lopez sucks. The quality just isn't there. We only have (some of them very mediocre) role players besides Nash and Gortat.

[mybloodisorange]

How do you know Gentry didnt fight for Lou? I hope you are aware that the coach doesnt sign or resign players that is for the front office. Do you honestly believe if you had complete knowledge of the inner-workings behind the scenes that you would still be scapegoating the coach? I'd bet my last cent you wouldnt.

I'm not even saying Gentry is a great coach. But considering who he is working for and what he is working with I honestly feel that he has done a good job overall. I try to look at his entire body of work instead of just posting an anti coach thread after each loss.

God im glad im not a Knicks fan.

[RunDogGun]

How do you know Gentry didnt fight for Lou? I hope you are aware that the coach doesnt sign or resign players that is for the front office. Do you honestly believe if you had complete knowledge of the inner-workings behind the scenes that you would still be scapegoating the coach? I'd bet my last cent you wouldnt.

I'm not even saying Gentry is a great coach. But considering who he is working for and what he is working with I honestly feel that he has done a good job overall. I try to look at his entire body of work instead of just posting an anti coach thread after each loss.

God im glad im not a Knicks fan.

I don't know if he fought for Lou, but it wouldn't have been a tough argument considering he would have come cheaper than Warrick.

The more you look back at his entire body of work, the more you will find games that were winnable, but lost by his hands. I didn't make this thread, but I have wanted Gentry gone going back to last year when he kept taking the hot hands out of the game, waited until they were cold, and then tried to get back into the game with them. He is predictable, and continually gets out coached. Even this year, when games were out of reach and we had a game the next day,he leaves the starters in,just to make the game look close. Or the game where Price totally brought us back into the game, and had momentum, and he takes him out just to put back in the starters, who sucked it up just enough to lose the game. He leaves Brown in way too long, and let's him make mistake after mistake, yet Chilldress can't get off the bench for some reason.

Like I have said earlier and last year, either he is purposely trying to lose games, or he is inept. I am not sure which one it is. And last year, starting VC so many games, when he clearly either didn't have it, or didn't care. Lopez starting over Gortat, but playing under fifteen minutes?

This year, starting Price, but playing him fifteen minutes? But then throws in the chucker Telfair for twelve? Just play Price twenty-seven. I was a fan of the the two lineup thing, but for two years it hasn't worked, yet he continues to try it?

[Blackification]

Other than that 1 fluke season where we went to the WCFs, what has he accomplished?

Wow really? Lets see his first half season he picked up the mess Terry Porter left and made the suns better even though amare got injured they were still better than they were under porter with Amare. Then the next season with a healthy amare they go to the WCF and almost win. And then amare leaves and he is left with a broken team that ownership refuses to give up on because Nash still makes them money.

What do you expect him to do when he has been here for two and a half seasons and a season and half of that amare has been gone.

He isn't the best coach but there aren't many better replacements that the suns can really get. How many good coaches are going to come here and deal with Sarver and this fake rebuild crap if we fire Gentry? Why come to Phoenix and coach a team with hardly and young talent for the future when they can go to New York after D'antoni eventually gets fired or Miami if Spoelstra gets fired (which I think he will if the heat don't win this year)

All the people saying fire Gentry bring this guy in instead.. No big name coach is coming here for cheap and Sarver isn't going to pay that much to win them over.

Gentry is the least of the suns problems, the best player is a 38 year old point guard who is going to walk after this season and all that is going to be left is Gortat, Morris, and role players whose trade values are at an all time low. If nash does leave next season the suns will be the worst team in the nba and it won't be Gentrys fault that Joe Johnson, Amare, and Nash all walked away and the suns were left with nothing.

[RunDogGun]

Other than that 1 fluke season where we went to the WCFs, what has he accomplished?

Wow really? Lets see his first half season he picked up the mess Terry Porter left and made the suns better even though amare got injured they were still better than they were under porter with Amare. Then the next season with a healthy amare they go to the WCF and almost win.

He isn't the best coach but there aren't many better replacements that the suns can really get. How many good coaches are going to come here and deal with Sarver and this fake rebuild crap if we fire Gentry? Why come to Phoenix and coach a team with hardly and young talent for the future when they can go to New York after D'antoni eventually gets fired or Miami if Spoelstra gets fired (which I think he will if the heat don't win this year)

All the people saying fire Gentry bring this guy in instead.. No big name coach is coming here for cheap and Sarver isn't going to pay that much to win them over.

All he really did was let Nash run the team like he did before with D'Antoni, while Porter tried to change Nash. It wasn't hard to see the change really came from the release of the shackles Porter put on the offense. I do however give him a ton of credit for Goran, but Goran is gone. Likei said,I think he is a great assistant coach, but a terrible head coach. Ok, name a play you've seen run that wasn't there when we had D'Antoni.

I do agree that it will be tough to find a good coach right now, but Gentry sucks as a head coach, so what do we do? Watch winnable games get lost? It good for our draft choice, but bad for the team. I wish we would have grabbed Tibs when we had the chance.

[DRK]

What!? A mad a bunch of points that ARE his fault. He doesn't tweak his offense to fit guys on the team. The balls to bench guys making money? He needs balls to bench guys that go rouge and turn into black holes. Instead he just let's them run ragged. You saw what a balanced two lineup that totally gels with each other, does. But since he can't get that back, he continues to try and run two lineups that aren't working.

We have gone six to seven minutes scoring three to four points. He waits until we are down ten plus before calling timeouts, and then keeps the same f*cking lineup that could do crap, in the game. I have no idea why that would be thought of good coaching.

He is not a head coach, and if Nash isn't here next year, but Gentry remains, I promise that we will suck even worse than we do now.

What does work though? The man is so desperate that he starts Ronnie Price at SG. Ronnie Price. This team is so badly constructed that in the scheme of things, starting Ronnie Price is probably the best option now.

Look. its obvious that the Suns aren't built to contend or win this year. We are built to save money and preserve capsapce for next season. So Gentry is left with a bunch of scrubs and D-Leaguers to work with. The man is trying his best, but its not easy to get lineups that work when your team is comprised of a bunch of stop-gap fillers.

The only reason why Shannon Bean Brown is playing on this team is because we have no one else! The only reason why he has to play Sideshow Bob is because (tragically) is our only other seven footer. The only reason why Channing Frye is on the court when he's colder than the Arctic Circle is because (again, sadly) he's our only other PF.

It's as if the FO has said to Gentry this season. "All right man. We're saving up cap space for next year. We're going to give you 5 NBA- worthy players. The rest are there to make up the extra 8 roster spots. See if you can somehow make it work." You can't help but feel sorry for Alvin here. The players on this team do not fit who our identity is, and about half the roster shouldn’t even be in an NBA rotation.


Go back to 09/10. We are killing the Spurs in the playoffs, and we just miss out on the NBA Finals. A few weeks later, Amare is gone, and is replaced by Turkoglu, Childress and Warrick. I mean, come on Babby. Josh Childress? In a fast paced offence? After coming out of the dead- slow EuroLeague? You gotta be kidding me. That's like selling a Ferrari, and replacing it with 3 Ford Fiesta's. We are getting KILLED in the early part of the season, and we have no interior defender. Earl Barron is our starting PF, and Childress is our starting center. Now, can you blame Gentry for the losses then? Well? Can you?

Again. It's not the coach's fault for the losses, because this team is clearly not BUILT to win this season. And the last time I checked, coaches don’t build teams.

[RunDogGun]

Well I guess I am the only one who sees obvious coaching errors that Gentry continues to make. No one has explained why last year he continued to sit the hot hands, but just blindly restarted the same cold starting unit for the normal seven minutes they always play.

No one has explained why he lets seven minute spans go with us only scoring three to four points, finally calls a timeout, and puts the same frickin unit out there. The dude literally must pull sour milk out of the fridge, smells it and know it's bad, puts it back into the fridge in hopes that it will be good the next day.

I have seen many games this year where guys have posted that the loss was on Gentry, yet everyone seems ok with his stupidity?

I have seen at least twenty games from this year and last season (and i dont get to watch that many games throughout the year), where the game was ours until Gentry f*cked it up. To me that is just too many for a coach that has been around as long as he has.

[mybloodisorange]

Other than that 1 fluke season where we went to the WCFs, what has he accomplished?

Wow really? Lets see his first half season he picked up the mess Terry Porter left and made the suns better even though amare got injured they were still better than they were under porter with Amare. Then the next season with a healthy amare they go to the WCF and almost win. And then amare leaves and he is left with a broken team that ownership refuses to give up on because Nash still makes them money.

What do you expect him to do when he has been here for two and a half seasons and a season and half of that amare has been gone.

He isn't the best coach but there aren't many better replacements that the suns can really get. How many good coaches are going to come here and deal with Sarver and this fake rebuild crap if we fire Gentry? Why come to Phoenix and coach a team with hardly and young talent for the future when they can go to New York after D'antoni eventually gets fired or Miami if Spoelstra gets fired (which I think he will if the heat don't win this year)

All the people saying fire Gentry bring this guy in instead.. No big name coach is coming here for cheap and Sarver isn't going to pay that much to win them over.

Gentry is the least of the suns problems, the best player is a 38 year old point guard who is going to walk after this season and all that is going to be left is Gortat, Morris, and role players whose trade values are at an all time low. If nash does leave next season the suns will be the worst team in the nba and it won't be Gentrys fault that Joe Johnson, Amare, and Nash all walked away and the suns were left with nothing.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Follow that with the next year, he didn't fight to keep Lou, who's hustle brought the team together

How do you know Gentry didnt fight for Lou?

I don't know if he fought for Lou, but it wouldn't have been a tough argument considering he would have come cheaper than Warrick.

All im saying is its not fair to scapegoat the coach like you just did. You openly admit you have no idea if Alvin had anything to do with the Amundsun situation right after blaming it on him. I mean if you dont like the guy great say so but theres no need to just make stuff up.