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As many of u know the miami heat decided to make a statement by taking a picture with all of them in hoodies in response to the death of the 17 year old African American. My question to everyone do u think it was a smart thing or a misguided idea.

I bring it up because I was listening to mad dog sports on the radio and the commentator brought up a good point. He said if it was a white kid lebron and wade would care less. My personal feelings being in the army is them being immature. I mean we have 17 year olds of every race dying for their country every day but I dont see them doing anything.

Just wanted to get your guys take.

They're raising awareness of this injustice; how is that a bad thing?

ginobiliflops wrote:They're raising awareness of this injustice; how is that a bad thing?

Front what I read and seen. I don't think it's a good Idea to say all of this is injustice. Facts need to be layer out. From everything I see it's all here say. Some even said the 17 year old was the agressser. I am just looking for facts. Then go from there.

If it was a white kid, then Zimmerman, the shooter, would be in jail, not roaming the streets still carrying a gun. The dude was a self appointed neighborhood watch guy, and the 911 dispatch told him not to follow Martin. However, Zimmerman followed the kid, cornered him, shot and killed a 17 year old kid, who had only a bag of Skittles, a bottle of Iced Tea, and his cell phone.

Zimmerman is hiding behind a Stand Your Ground self defense law, which is total bull. He wasn't even drug tested, or arrested.

This situation is ridiculous, and Zimmerman should be in jail. I don't mind the team standing up for a dead kid in Florida.

The sad part is this happened in February during halftime of the allstar game, and it is just now getting national attention.

I'm actually a military police officer. To rundogrun. The investigation has just started. You are expressing an uninformed opinion. Learn law and investigation procedures before u try and state fiction. I respect your opinion but it's wrong.

Well I heard the 911 tape for myself, and clearly heard Zimmerman on the tape, saying he was following the kid. Then the dispatch officer told him it was unnecessary to follow the kid. I have been following the story since Wednesday on MSNBC, since Al Sharpton had the father and his lawyer on his program, and then the next few segments went into detail.

I also heard the other witnesses and their 911 tapes. So maybe I am more informed than you think, and since it was you who didn't know the ins and outs, and/or facts that have been produced, I will be fine going off the facts(tapes) I heard.

I don't think I stated any fiction. So I will respectfully disregard your military police history.

Sunsdeuce wrote:

ginobiliflops wrote:They're raising awareness of this injustice; how is that a bad thing?

Front what I read and seen. I don't think it's a good Idea to say all of this is injustice. Facts need to be layer out. From everything I see it's all here say. Some even said the 17 year old was the agressser. I am just looking for facts. Then go from there.

Someone died who didn't need to. Did the guy really need to shoot him to protect himself?

Moreover, neighborhood watchers are not supposed to carry firearms, and they are supposed to observe and report, not follow and take action for themselves. Even the dispatcher told him this. I think the police did a crappy job so far in this case.

What we have right now is not heresay as you put it. We have actually 911 tapes, eye/ear witnesses account saying they heard the boy cry out for help, you could hear the boy cry out for help on the 911 tape of one of the witnesses, then you could hear the gunshots, and then the crying stopped.

The cops took Zimmerman at his word, who claimed it was self defense, and then they said it was Zimmerman crying for help. From what? Martin's lethal bag of Skittles? His bottle of tea? His cell phone? Zimmerman was the pursuer, it is on HIS 911 tape. He is the one that got out of his car, he is the one that followed(ran after) Martin, and he was the one shooting a gun.

If this was a black guy shooting a white kid. The shooter would be in jail right now.

RunDogGun wrote:Moreover, neighborhood watchers are not supposed to carry firearms, and they are supposed to observe and report, not follow and take action for themselves. Even the dispatcher told him this. I think the police did a crappy job so far in this case.

What we have right now is not heresay as you put it. We have actually 911 tapes, eye/ear witnesses account saying they heard the boy cry out for help, you could hear the boy cry out for help on the 911 tape of one of the witnesses, then you could hear the gunshots, and then the crying stopped.

The cops took Zimmerman at his word, who claimed it was self defense, and then they said it was Zimmerman crying for help. From what? Martin's lethal bag of Skittles? His bottle of tea? His cell phone? Zimmerman was the pursuer, it is on HIS 911 tape. He is the one that got out of his car, he is the one that followed(ran after) Martin, and he was the one shooting a gun.

If this was a black guy shooting a white kid. The shooter would be in jail right now.

Didn't know you worked in the police force! What unit are u in?

What would me working in the police force have anything to do with what I wrote? You are the one claiming what I wrote was "fiction".

Maybe you should listin to the 911 tapes, which aren't heresay. Then maybe you can talk about this case better. Or dude, atleast argue my points that you think are fiction. Just to clarify, what the heck do you think is fiction so far that I wrote? What do you accept as truth?

Are you saying that neighborhood watchers are supposed to carry firearms? Are you saying that they should pursue people they deem to be hoodlums, even after the 911 dispatcher tells them not to?

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, other than that you are a military police officer, and everything you say is gospel.

RunDogGun wrote:What would me working in the police force have anything to do with what I wrote? You are the one claiming what I wrote was "fiction".

Maybe you should listin to the 911 tapes, which aren't heresay. Then maybe you can talk about this case better. Or dude, atleast argue my points that you think are fiction. Just to clarify, what the heck do you think is fiction so far that I wrote? What do you accept as truth?

Are you saying that neighborhood watchers are supposed to carry firearms? Are you saying that they should pursue people they deem to be hoodlums, even after the 911 dispatcher tells them not to?

I have no idea what you are trying to say here, other than that you are a military police officer, and everything you say is gospel.

Because I'm saying let the police do their job!!! I'm not saying the shooter was right. As Matter of fact he may be 100 percent wrong. But let the police do their investigation. I, myself have investigated murders and deaths., it's a lot work. Things u initially thought end up being wrong.

Anyway the point of the thing is the Miami heat should focus on anti violence stuff not feeding the fire.

sunsdeuce, what the **** are you talking about, an unarmed kid was shot to death and the murderer has not been charged or even taken to the station once the cops got there. how the **** do you justify that? this isnt a black vs white issue, the shooter was mexican or latino or whatever, why do you say we need to let the cops handle this their way? so youre an MP, if you found a dead kid and the man who admitted to shooting him standing over him with a gun...what would you do? would you say alright sir have a nice day well be in touch or would you read him his miranda rights and arrest this scumbag?

Why did you ask for our take ? If really you turn and say what I know is really fiction, and that the police have a tough job. This thread is a joke, as well as your knowledge of the topic.

Who cares ? Really. Its an ugly world and we all get front row seats. If the initial investigation was faulty, the following one will make up for it. Cops dont always make the right decisions, but when they make wrong ones the ripples turn into tidal waves. All we can do is wait for part two.

Society has gone mad and the law enforcers parallel society.


PS... the 'who cares' is in reference to those expressing support/concern, not the loss of life.

Sunsdeuce wrote: You are expressing an uninformed opinion.

so is this:

He said if it was a white kid lebron and wade would care less.

Then that's an unfair ASSUMPTION on his part; trying to stir controversy by bringing race into the conversation. as a person in the media it's unfortunately his or her job more or less to do so.. and as much as I dislike Lebron and the Heat organization as a whole, it's very disrespectful to say that he wouldn't care for a person in a different race. What is his and your support for this?

My personal feelings being in the army is them being immature. I mean we have 17 year olds of every race dying for their country every day but I dont see them doing anything.

Do you know how impractical it would be to mourn the death of EVERY single teenager that dies? That is IMPOSSIBLE.

Thousands of mothers die every minute, thousands of fathers die every minute, thousands of siblings die every minute; just because I can't take a moment of silence for each and every one of them, does that mean I'm not allowed to mourn the death of a family member when they pass away? You're statement is illogical.

A student recently died at my school in a car accident, I did not know the man, but because he is a teenager, and a fellow student, it strikes closer home to me than a student that died at a college in Kansas. does that mean that i'm implicating one life is more important than the other, absolutely not, but the former death I can relate to more...the same way the Miami Heat can relate to a death of a teenager that happened in Florida and happens to be of the same race as the majority of the team (but suggesting that they WOULDNT care in entirety if it was a white male, is an unfair, unfounded assumption)

the road to correcting injustice happens one case at a time, right now it just happens to be centered around Trayvon Martin.

Didn't know you worked in the police force! What unit are u in?

first off, I have loads of respect that you are/were in the military and (continue to) protect this country...thank you for doing so sir. But that does not make your opinion anymore important and valid than ours.

Anyway the point of the thing is the Miami heat should focus on anti violence stuff not feeding the fire.

and the Miami Heat in fact are doing just that....as I said- one case at a time.

From your initial post, it seemed quite clear that your underlying point is "black people only care about other black people". Then you veer off to a different tangent in your future posts about how we don't have all the evidence to make a legitimate case and how we need to let the police do their job...I'm not a police officer, neighborhood watch, or whatever the hell that guy was, but I'm pretty sure it's not in his job description to take out kids wearing hoodies and carrying candy. The media may fabricate details to make for an interesting story, but I'll let the judges do their jobs from here, I already have a strong and well-founded opinion for the details that have been presented already.

/\. Pump ur brakes hero. Saying anything about an underlying point? Huh? The words are there no underlying point.

Your quote"Do you know how impractical it would be to mourn the death of EVERY single teenager that dies? That is IMPOSSIBLE. "
Those are my brothers and sisters. I may not know everyone that gave their life in a place you will never understand, I mourn for every single one and the families left behind. It is not impossible.

This debate was worse on mad dog radio. But anyways not trying to start verbal (written) fights. It's obvious a touchy situation. Cooler heads need to take lead on this.

I'm out

So have you even heard all the 911 tapes? Or are you basing this on a radio program take? You still haven't answered which one of my statements were fiction. In fact you really haven't answered any question I gave to you.

Sunsdeuce wrote:/\. Pump ur brakes hero. Saying anything about an underlying point? Huh? The words are there no underlying point.

I would pump my breaks, but my fat-ass is glued to my office chair.

and these are your words:

"As many of u know the miami heat decided to make a statement by taking a picture with all of them in hoodies in response to the death of the 17 year old African American."

I bring it up because I was listening to mad dog sports on the radio and the commentator brought up a good point. He said if it was a white kid lebron and wade would care less.

Seems pretty obvious to me this a racial issue. Especially the last bolded part suggests the underlying message is "black people only care about other black people"

Was I wrong in inferring that wasn't your point in your first post? Re-explain yourself, and I'll gladly say that I was in the wrong...and maybe I already am. But you need to better communicate your idea to others if that's not what you were trying to say, because from your words it's quite clear to me that's exactly what you mean.

And for u to say to many Soldiers die to bother with talking about. Wow. All I can say if you sleep well at night then the more power to you.

twisting my words to make me appear as if I'm a bad guy...niceeeee. All I can say if you sleep well at night then the more power to you.

this is what I said:

"Do you know how impractical it would be to mourn the death of EVERY single teenager that dies? That is IMPOSSIBLE."

I said it's impossible (not at all the same as saying these deaths are so numerous that they are meaningless) to mourn the death of every person.

Not once did I say too many people die to bother talking about.

"does that mean that i'm implicating one life is more important than the other, absolutely not, but the former death I can relate to more"

I tried to make it clear that one death isnt more important than another. but some deaths are more relate-able and personal than others.

I even thanked you for your service to this country, and mentioned I have the utmost respect for the military...whether or not you take that as me pandering is up to you. regardless of what you think, I know I'm not one to wack off behind a computer screen when the 11th of November comes around.

so please, if you're going to say that I implied "to many Soldiers die to bother with talking about" you can atleast have the grace to point out where and/or how I conveyed such a message, and I'll have to correct my misspeaking.

This debate was worse on mad dog radio. But anyways not trying to start verbal (written) fights. It's obvious a touchy situation. Cooler heads need to take lead on this.

you still made the topic and asked for others input, not sure what other type of response you were expecting to receive.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match either...and I'm sorry if I offended you at one point. but you did offend me and insulted a couple people in your posts. I hope you respond so we can attempt to clear the air, as there's already an excess of hostility between posters on this forum.

otherwise, peace, and I have gratitude for you supporting this country, even if I don't see eye-to-eye with you on this current matter. I mean that.

the funny thing is everyone is pulling this race card.

Everyone who is pulling this race card is the true racist behind this.

They are going to arrest the guy and he will be charged.

chill out. you know how much black on black crime there is everyday.

when i lived in chicago a 2yr old black girl was shot by a 16 yr old black kid.

This happens every single day in the world

if you guys complain about a racist america but yet there are gang members killing each other every single day (same race killings)

it is a nasty world