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According to this article, David Stern and his 'Competition Committee' will be discussing implementing rules and regulations to combat the use of 'flopping' during games next season. He even goes as far as saying they'll penalize you after the fact by reviewing every game after it's finished and notifying those who blatantly 'flopped'. The article doesn't mention, however, what exactly the penalties will be.

I personally feel that the act of flopping hurts the game and should be punished via suspension (after a number of offenses, of course). If the refs see it clearly during a game, it should be a technical foul, so if you're caught twice (of if you already have a tech), you're ejected. And yes, I say all this knowing full well that Nash and Hill have been two more prominent floppers during their time in a Suns uniform.

I come from a soccer background, and so I hate flopping after watching years of some of the worst kinds of flopping. I wholeheartedly agree with this stance.

Nash and Hill probably do more to "create the contact" rather than outright *FLAIL WILDLY COS I KNOW I WONT MAKE THIS SHOT!!!* e.g. I've seen Nash regularly jump backwards INTO people chasing him down on a fast break while he is going up for a layup.

I would be fine with just more no-calls.

I don't know about suspensions for flopping. I think a more effective penalty would be a monetary fee. Players love their money, and losing $15-25k per offense would shut down flopping swiftly.

They should also stop pampering the "superstars" and giving them ridiculous calls that other players would never get.

Top two steps to making the NBA a better league, IMO.

MrCheckOne2 wrote:I would be fine with just more no-calls.

I'm with this.

All the game needs is more power given to the refs.

As for the fan, who has seen Nash jump backwards? Why the heck would any player as smart as Nash is, and concerned for his back, would he purposely jump backwards? I can see you saying he falls after getting run into, but often he is there in time, and gets hit. But Nash probably takes equal amount of contact and gets either no call or a block called. Overall, it equals out.

My only issue with flopping is when guys like Ginobli, does it, and his flailing of arms or head injures another player.

However, if this rule does go into effect, poor Griffin will miss about twenty games a season.

Personally, I consider jumping in front of an offensive player (whether you 'get there in time' or not), to be bad for the game. Just play basketball! Honestly, if you're playing a pick up game, how often do you jump in front of a guy hoping to get a call? Exactly.

If you're attempting to 'draw a call', that's just as bad as flopping. Play the game the way it's supposed to be played and don't attempt to deceive refs. If you're defending the post and a guy plows through you, then that's a foul on him. If you're 2 feet away, see a guy driving to the rim and suddenly dive underneath him, well, that's just not how the game should be played. Just my opinion, though.

ShawnBronald wrote:Personally, I consider jumping in front of an offensive player (whether you 'get there in time' or not), to be bad for the game. Just play basketball! Honestly, if you're playing a pick up game, how often do you jump in front of a guy hoping to get a call? Exactly.

If you're attempting to 'draw a call', that's just as bad as flopping. Play the game the way it's supposed to be played and don't attempt to deceive refs. If you're defending the post and a guy plows through you, then that's a foul on him. If you're 2 feet away, see a guy driving to the rim and suddenly dive underneath him, well, that's just not how the game should be played. Just my opinion, though.

I want to know what pick up games you get into, which have refs?

Isn't it the job of a defender, to position themselves between the basket and the guy they are defending? Not all charges taken are from guys sliding in front of a driving player. So you would rather see guys do the "ole" defense and let the guy just get a free lay up, or would rather see the defender just whack the heck out of that guy? It is such a fine line, with too many grey areas. It isn't as black and white, as many lay it out to be.

RunDogGun wrote:

MrCheckOne2 wrote:I would be fine with just more no-calls.

As for the fan, who has seen Nash jump backwards? Why the heck would any player as smart as Nash is, and concerned for his back, would he purposely jump backwards? I can see you saying he falls after getting run into, but often he is there in time, and gets hit. But Nash probably takes equal amount of contact and gets either no call or a block called. Overall, it equals out.

I've seen, on multiple occasions, Nash initiate contact with a player. Sometimes, when he is under the rim and there is a guy behind him, it involves jumping backwards a bit to make it look more like the player is running into him.

Besides that, I agree, Nash takes more contact than most in the league and hardly gets any calls.

I support any rule changes that takes more of the game out of the refs hands. I also think soft fouls should be more overlooked.

lilfishi22 wrote:I support any rule changes that takes more of the game out of the refs hands. I also think soft fouls should be more overlooked.

I look at fouls the way I called them as a ref. if it didn't hinder the play, and weren't excessive, I didn't call them. I remember one game I was reffing, where the star player from one team was swiping down to try and knock the ball away from the opposing pg, but it was going on at half court. It was borderline foul, but the long swiping made it look worse than it may have been. I didn't make a call. On one of the swipes, which looked like hard contact, had knocked the ball off the pg and out of bounds. I didn't call the foul, I just said possession stayed the same.

It happened right in front of the coach of the star player, and he was yelling at me, because it clearly went off the other player. I went up to him, and said aside, did you want me to call the foul on your star player, or just keep the possession the same. He shut up quickly. I didn't give star treatment, I just felt like the foul didn't hinder the play, because it was so far from the basket. Now if it was on a drive to the basket, I would have called it.

But a flopping thing is totally different. The foul, or non foul happens so quickly, and with a rule like this, the refs will most likely over think the call or non call. We'll have to see, but I don't want to see more review, or now the ref making the judgement call only to find out the opposite a day or two later. It isn't like they can change the call.

I just really wish that the calls were consistent on both ends, which we find happens in too many games now a days. They let physical contact to go on one end, and then call ticky tacky stuff on the other end. That is what they should be trying to fix. And how about some fines for refs that clearly blow a call. Maybe that will stop some of the favoritism that has plagued the league for years. Wait, what am I saying, have Stern's goons held acountable for their actions?

Not good for us.. Duds flops a lot.

Jdiddy701 wrote:Not good for us.. Duds flops a lot.

Duds has never flopped once in his life. *Orange goggles*

i agree, dudley has not flopped only once in his life

RunDogGun wrote:
I want to know what pick up games you get into, which have refs?

That is exactly my point.... pick up games don't have officials, so you just play basketball, not try to deceive a referee. If players would just play the game, it would be much better. Instead, you've got guys that try to bend the rules in their favor. If I'm just standing still and a guy half my size slightly bumps me, I don't fly backwards 20 feet and then look up like, "Hey, did everyone see that? I got fouled! Hey.... look at me!". That's what happens most of the time in the NBA and it's ridiculous.

MrCheckOne2 wrote:I would be fine with just more no-calls.

This.

Non-calls, or flopping itself is a foul, and can cancel out an actual foul on the same play if the foulee flops to try to "sell" it.

I also hate that defenders essentially HAVE to fall in order to get an offensive foul. It's not a man's move, it's a behavior they have to acquire.