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The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:53 am
by RunDogGun
I don't make threads, but I feel that the time has finally come for Gentry to get the boot. He has cost us too many games over the past three years. Yes I understand that we don't have a good team, but it isn't the players.
I have listed tons of stupid things that Gentry has done over the past three years. But here is one I remember from the other season. Gentry complained about the lack of energy from the starters one game, yet he went seven minutes into that quarter before making a change in the line up. Why the heck complain about something you have control over? If you don't like something, make a change. You are the gosh darn coach for cripes sake.
Alright discuss.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:17 am
by pidi
always a big fan of alvin, but hey, he cost us the game last night not having a timeout, letting the opponent destroy our bench and it´s all his fault..
phil jackson anyone???
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:23 am
by sunskerr
Our bench just sucks really bad. It's really a pity we already have this thread only three games into the season.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:06 am
by EB2
Lets wait until the all-star break to consider something like this.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 7:31 am
by DirtyDez
Keep him thru this season. He's our only hope for Bazzers.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 8:19 am
by Revived
I agree he need to go. I wish we can keep him around as an assistant coach though.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 9:44 am
by RunDogGun
sunskerr wrote:Our bench just sucks really bad. It's really a pity we already have this thread only three games into the season.
To be fair,I have been saying this for the past 151 games. It's a pity that he is still coaching, and still making terrible in game judgements that cost our guys games. I totally agree that our bench is weak, but again, my reasons for him being fired have very little to do with the talent of our teams. It has to do with his mismanagement of players, time outs, in game adjustments, and allowing teams to go on huge runs that make it almost impossible to come back from. I hated when D'Antoni did the same things.
Paul Westphal was fired seven games into last season, and he is the only coach in the last thirty years that brought us to the finals.
My suggestion would be to promote Turner. I was glad that we got him back.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:30 am
by sunskerr
Timeouts really don't affect games like people think they do: they're not bailout buttons which automatically stop teams from going on runs. The team that is simply better is going to win the majority of the time.
Also, for the last 151 games our team as a whole hasn't been better than most of the teams in the league. If you look at what we have done: we almost made the playoffs the two previous seasons sporting Nash, Gortat and then bench players. Remember Terry Porter? He had a lot of talent and didn't fair well. That's what an actually bad coach/ wrong system looks like. We brought in Gentry and look what he did with a similar team the next year: a WCF appearance. A coach can really only do so much with such a lack of talent on the team.
We just need to wait. Look at all those rebuilding teams who keep firing their coaches...They barely get better. Coaches always become scapegoats and distract from rosters that simply aren't very good.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 10:50 am
by RunDogGun
sunskerr wrote:Timeouts really don't affect games like people think they do: they're not bailout buttons which automatically stop teams from going on runs. The team that is simply better is going to win the majority of the time.
Also, for the last 151 games our team as a whole hasn't been better than most of the teams in the league. If you look at what we have done: we almost made the playoffs the two previous seasons sporting Nash, Gortat and then bench players. Remember Terry Porter? He had a lot of talent and didn't fair well. That's what an actually bad coach/ wrong system looks like. We brought in Gentry and look what he did with a similar team the next year: a WCF appearance. A coach can really only do so much with such a lack of talent on the team.
We just need to wait. Look at all those rebuilding teams who keep firing their coaches...They barely get better. Coaches always become scapegoats and distract from rosters that simply aren't very good.
I see what you are saying, but I just don't think it applies to Gentry. I don't give him credit for the 2010 team, nor doi give him a bunch of credit after stepping in for Porter. Gentry simply went back to D'Antoni's style, and let LB go crazy, and Nash run the offense.
The 2010 team was a fluke. Gentry lucked out with the quality if the character of the team. We really only had two minor black holes on the team, and they were split between the two squads. Both those squads had great chemistry, great floor leadership in Nash and Hill, and probably the best balls out hustle guy I've seen in years. Like I just said in another thread, that type of hustle became the norm and the standard that the TEAM held amongst themselves. When each starter was interviewed they sang praises about their sub, all except Amare, who I guess didn't understand the question he was asked about the second unit.
Again, my critiques on Gentry has little to do with our talent, and more about how he manages them, the game, and the responsibity. IMHO I just don't think he is a good enough coach to be a head coach. Good assistant. I just look at what he has done in games, how we still continue to lose winnable games. Those same schedule starts of first and third quarters regardless of who is playing well, and the list goes on.
And although I've suggested Turner, I am really tired of this bring up the understudy for our next long term coach. We've been doing it since Ainge was coach, and only interrupted by the terrible Porter hiring, which by the way, all the players except Shaq really didnt seem to want to play under.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:41 am
by Calvin Klein
I'm sorry but Gentry called the last timeout with Phoenix up 12 with 8 minutes to go on the third quarter. That's just unacceptable to me.
It's still to early for this I think, but yesterday was really disappointing.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 2:10 pm
by RaisingArizona
He's going to get canned this year when we go on a long losing streak.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:52 pm
by ShawnBronald
I wonder if the team plans to play AC/DC's "Thunderstruck" at home games when we're getting our a$$es handed to us.........
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 4:54 pm
by SunsRback4Good
Paul Westphal is gonna take over once Gentry gets fired and bring back Barkley, KJ, Majerle, Ainge, Chambers, Millers and etc. It's been confirmed on ESPN.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 5:35 pm
by Gorilla Warfare
Find me a better coach that will legitimately coach the Suns this season AND do a better job than what Gentry can do with this team. If you say Phil Jackson, or Jerry Sloan, any any other coach that is retired has has no need/want to come out of retirement (especially to coach a .500 at best team) then I will flag this thread as spam.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 6:17 pm
by Sreister
Not yet. How can you fire a coach 3 games into the season with a BRAND NEW team? How can you evaluate someone on 3 games with a team he was just handed? Sure he made a few mistakes, but he lost his coach on the floor and is trying to find his way with this new hand he's been dealt. I agree he isn't an amazing coach, but let's see where we go from here. We can all agree we are in a learning state right now and we probably aren't going to be very good. So let's not expect too much here and be realistic. No coach that gets a brand new team can be expected to have rotations and subbing down after three games.
Three games? Really?
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Mon Nov 5, 2012 11:36 pm
by lilfishi22
I've always been a Gentry supporter. He got us through some tough times when we needed some leadership and direction post-D'Antoni. But I'm ready for change. I'd like to see what Turner can do with this squad.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:32 am
by RunDogGun
Sreister wrote:Not yet. How can you fire a coach 3 games into the season with a BRAND NEW team? How can you evaluate someone on 3 games with a team he was just handed? Sure he made a few mistakes, but he lost his coach on the floor and is trying to find his way with this new hand he's been dealt. I agree he isn't an amazing coach, but let's see where we go from here. We can all agree we are in a learning state right now and we probably aren't going to be very good. So let's not expect too much here and be realistic. No coach that gets a brand new team can be expected to have rotations and subbing down after three games.
Three games? Really?
Well if you read my post, and/or have seen my comments about Gentry over the last three years, it isn't three games. He continues to make the same mistakes over and over, which cost us games. There doesnt seem to be a need to see what he can do,if he just f*cks it up. If he cant learn from his mistakes or cant even recognize them, then he needs to go.
If we are in this to win games, he has to go. If we are trying to lose games to get better draft picks, then Gentry is our guy.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Tue Nov 6, 2012 12:39 am
by RunDogGun
Gorilla Warfare wrote:Find me a better coach that will legitimately coach the Suns this season AND do a better job than what Gentry can do with this team. If you say Phil Jackson, or Jerry Sloan, any any other coach that is retired has has no need/want to come out of retirement (especially to coach a .500 at best team) then I will flag this thread as spam.
Gentry wasn't a choice, he was a stand in. I don't know why I would have to list off coaches. I suggested Turner in my first two comments. I like what he has done on the defensive end, and since Gentry really doesn't have an offensive set, we might as well cut out the waste.
As for offseason, I originally thought (three years ago) along the lines of Westhead or Laimbeer as head coach, Hornacek as lead assistant, and Kareem or Olajuwon as our bigs coach. Thunder Dan can stay, but I just can't see the Dean Martin of the Suns, being the head coach.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Tue Nov 6, 2012 6:44 am
by ATTL
DirtyDez wrote:Keep him thru this season. He's our only hope for Bazzers.
Re: The Official Fire Gentry thread
Posted: Fri Nov 9, 2012 8:52 am
by mybloodisorange
Like it or not the plan is to let him build the new team then hand to keys over to a new head coach when are looking like they have a real future with some solid talent. At that point I think they will see if there are any top tier coaches available but if not they might just give Marjerle the keys.
This is a tanking season; dont freak out over losses or you will be freaked out alot this season. Next year we are going to get our potentially top 6 lotto pick plus both Laker picks while having enough cap to sign a max level free agent. If they pull that off ie a 1 year rebuild I will applaud them.