Let's take some time to appreciate Alvin Gentry, mmkay?

[rsavaj]

I thought this would be a good idea considering how every game thread devolves into a Gentry debate.

I moved some of my replies from the DET gamethread here, to start things off:

Blanks, Babby and Sarver deserve their pink slips waaaaaaaaaaay before anybody on the coaching staff gets one.

Besides being impossible, it also seems illogical. When we completely changed the team, we should have also changed the coach. The players just don't seem like they want to play for him anymore. Gentry's biggest supporters in Nash and Hill are gone, and the team at times look completely clueless.

So again, it seems that Nash and Hill were the floor generals, and Gentry was reduced to subbing, and even in 2010, he didn't know when to do that, as guys were making their own choice whether to check in.

Although I am not ready for Thunder Dan to take over. I would rather finish the year with Turner, and then look for a real head coach throughout the year, and possibly the offseason if needed.

I would still like to see Laimbeer, Hornecek, and Olajuwon as our coaching staff. Or another head coach that is up and coming, and then the other two. Then I would try and steal the scouting staff of SA, hire a few more scouts, and really find guys that might be diamonds in the rough. We have too many picks to allow this FO to f*ck up. The problem is, that many of our FOs haven't been able to draft correctly. Drafting for need hasn't worked. You draft the best player available and figure the rest out. Now if the BPA actually fills a need, then bonus!

Dragic said the main reason he came back to Phoenix instead of re-signing with Houston is because Gentry was here.

If you fire Gentry, you immediately tick off the best player on our roster.

That does not seem like a wise course of action.

And it's not illogical; Sarver+the Blabby brain trust have constructed a poor roster with limited talent. They continue to try to "conbuild" instead of committing fully to a rebuild.

What basis do you have for, "The players don't want to play for him anymore."? That seems to me to be a purely subjective evaluation. There's no way we can ever know if that's true or not.

We all know how this season is going to go: we're going to have a horrible record through December. Then, things will click in late January, and we'll make a late push towards a playoff spot.

Ultimately, we'll end up two or three games out of the 8th spot, and with the 13th pick....for the 3rd consecutive season.

The national media all said this team was around a 30 win team, which is exactly how we're playing so far. Gentry is coaching par for course.

A new coach isn't going somehow inject more talent into the team.

I like the team, I just don't like how they are used. To me, we need a good to great head coach to make things work.

This. Gentry is incapable to coach this team. He's clearly in conflict with Gortat & Scola (I think so), Beasley does whatever he wants, Dragić plays "pure urine" and stays on the court, Gentry misuses phenomenal atlethicism of Brown, etc. etc. One thing: fire Gentry as fast as possible...

Can you be more specific? How would you use Gortat and Scola differently? How would you use Beasley and Brown differently?

It's easy to say "the coach sucks! the coach is stupid! the coach is horrific!" but we need to discuss this in a detailed, specific fashion.

Maybe the players aren't as good as we think they are...?

All that glitters is not gold.

Until we somehow get to see what Alvin sees in practice, in the lockerroom, etc...I'm going to try to remain as agnostic as possible about his coaching.

When you have a lot of talent, the team generally does well, and the coach gets a good reputation(Alvin Gentry, 09-10).

When you have middling talent, the team does poorly, and the coach gets a bad reputation(Alvin Gentry, 10-12).

When you have great talent, and the team does not play as well as it should, the coach is a bad coach(Vinny Del Negro....everywhere.)

[EB2]

We are starting Shannon Brown as our Two Guard and have Michael Beasley as our #1 option on offense. That should show everyone how devoid of talent this roster is. Gentry has had a few blunders this year, but who hasn't. He shouldn't be the scapegoat for this years failures. The blame should fall on our FO who made good moves last offseason (besides Beasley), but when you combine all the moves together, it creates a jumbled mess.

[Kerrsed]

I voted undecided.

When we had a decent team, he was also doing a pretty damn good job.

Yes he has made some mistakes and questionable decisions this year, but it is practically a new team with a bunch of new players who have to develop chemistry together. And as others have pointed out, for god sakes, look at the players we have on the roster! Bring Phil Jackson in if you want, and we still would be losing games.

Yes a 40 point loss to the horrible horrible Detroit Pistons is a tough pill to swallow, but i say give Gentry more time with this new team. We know the FO has been grooming Thunder Dan to take over sooner or later, i would prefer it to be later, but i feel the FO will make it sooner.

[RunDogGun]

We are starting Shannon Brown as our Two Guard and have Michael Beasley as our #1 option on offense. That should show everyone how devoid of talent this roster is. Gentry has had a few blunders this year, but who hasn't. He shouldn't be the scapegoat for this years failures. The blame should fall on our FO who made good moves last offseason (besides Beasley), but when you combine all the moves together, it creates a jumbled mess.

I'm not scapegoating Gentry, I have repeatedly said he is a poor head coach for the last three years. We have little to no plays, why can't I blame that on our coach? Isn't that part of his job?

Vaj, I said they "seem" to not want to play for him.

I don't think this team is devoid of talent, I just don't think the players are used correctly. I don't think we run any plays for individual players, and we continue to be reliant on the three point shot, when we can rarely make it.

If we are going to start Brown, we need Tucker to start next to him. Moving Brown to the starting lineup, while leaving Beasley there as well, we have our two worst wing defenders in the starting lineup. Although they are decent offensive players, they allow the opposing wings to get into shooting rhythms that kill our chances. There are two easy plays that we could run for Brown, using Tucker. First is a back door play, with Tucker setting the screen, and then either following Brown to the basket for clean up, or rolling out to the three, which besides his latest poor shooting, has been one of our best three point shooters. Then run a similar play, with Brown coming around the screen to take the elbow shot, Tucker rolls to the basket for a possible pass. Those are the two best plays for Brown, and it gets him into the game. Then use Beasley as the scorer off the bench. I really didn't like Scola being moved to the bench. He is one of our most reliable players, with one of the better Bball IQs on the team.

I think Goran will be fine if Turner takes over, as long as he is allowed freedom to run his squad.

Either way, I think this is Gentry's last year, so why wait? I say he will be fired by January 15th.

[RunDogGun]

I voted undecided.

When we had a decent team, he was also doing a pretty damn good job.

Yes he has made some mistakes and questionable decisions this year, but it is practically a new team with a bunch of new players who have to develop chemistry together. And as others have pointed out, for god sakes, look at the players we have on the roster! Bring Phil Jackson in if you want, and we still would be losing games.

Yes a 40 point loss to the horrible horrible Detroit Pistons is a tough pill to swallow, but i say give Gentry more time with this new team. We know the FO has been grooming Thunder Dan to take over sooner or later, i would prefer it to be later, but i feel the FO will make it sooner.

I would be fine with giving him some slack with the roster, but he is making the same mistakes he made with the decent roster. I don't think he was ever doing a damn good job, because we had players choosing to sit themselves because their sub was playing great. Not many players would do that, they would just gladly go into the game regardless of how the team was playing. In 2010, we really only had Amare as the guy who played for himself first, the rest of the team only cared about winning the game, not who was in the game. I just don't give that credit to Gentry.

[TASTIC]

I'm also undecided

Doesn't matter how many bad eggs you use, they won't make a good omelette. Gentry's got a bag of crap and they don't collectively form anything resembling a .500 team, and doesn't matter how he puts them out there.

The connection with Dragic as others have said also can't be overlooked

[RunDogGun]

I'm also undecided

Doesn't matter how many bad eggs you use, they won't make a good omelette. Gentry's got a bag of crap and they don't collectively form anything resembling a .500 team, and doesn't matter how he puts them out there.

The connection with Dragic as others have said also can't be overlooked

We don't have bad eggs. We may have small eggs.

[Frank Lee]

Clearly we have a talent issue first and foremost. Gentry has tried to find a suitable combination of players, but so far it is a failed work in progress. I think he is realizing who can do what and who can't. The list for the latter is growing faster than the former.

The FO was banking on significant contribution from Measley.... and it is not there. Lets just say he MB has not settled into a role yet... and that can be said for a few others. Scola was a late toss in at a bargain price. Consider him trade bait as soon as he is eligible. Brown .... ugh... we got exactly what we knew him to be... a dude who thinks he is Kobe-lite. Morris has his moments, and teases us just enough to pretend he will one day be a real starter, not one by default. I am afraid the theG may not be mentally tough enough. Dudley has disappeared and seldom impacts games. Bassy and JO are rentals, performing within reason. Tucker has been a bonus, but he is still just a scrapper who has bounced his way back into this league... I dont know if he get many minutes elsewhere. In fact, many of these guys would have a hard time getting minutes elsewhere.

We have no identity.. We are not a running team, not a good 3 pt team, and not a defensive team. There has been no real consistent half court offense established. There is a lot of one on one play, because we have invested in one on one players (Brown, Measley... even Dragic to some extent) The other players know they had better shoot it than pass it, for the ball seldom returns. Perhaps this is where Gentry has struggled the most. They have already scrapped one offensive scheme... the corner one...when I wasnt aware we even had a scheme.

Gentry has his work cut out for him, and the players have to keep focused on their responsibilities as professionals. Losing sucks the life out of a squad, but you have to bring it every night, and even more so when you are a marginal team. better nip it in the bud, else Alvin will lose the whole team and the FO will have no other option but to can him ... then appoint a hapless interm Coach. They do not have the confidence in him to extend him, so I am betting he may be exiting anyway.

The boys just arent having any fun.

[GrantHill]

I don't think this team is devoid of talent, I just don't think the players are used correctly.

This team has one guy that plays interior defense and protects the rim, we have one scoring guard (Dragic) and one one above average perimeter defender (Dudley). So now you add a scrub like Beasley, who doesn't show any effort and never plays defense, is a ball hog on offense, can't get to the rim effectivley and draw fouls. You throw in Shannon Brown who thinks he's the next hybrid between John Stockton and Kobe Bryant but can't do anything well on the court (even though I like his defense at times), Markieff Morris, a power forward that shot under 30% some times, doesn't look to pass and is unable to play any defense because of foul trouble. Rest are below mediocre role players that only live because of their hustle (Tucker, Telfair). JO is nice but he can't play huge minutes.

On top of that, we play Beasley and Dudley off their natural positions because our roster is terribly constructed and you are telling us that this team has talent? How are you going to use the guys?

I don't think we run any plays for individual players

We do but we have guys in our lineups that simply can't understand how an offensive system works. As soon as the ball goes to Brown or Beasley our offense is dead. .

and we continue to be reliant on the three point shot, when we can rarely make it.

Wrong, we have been pretty much average in three pointers taken this season.


A good team has guys that can rebound at a high rate, can defend the paint and run an effiencent offense, get to the line to get easy points and, of course, have veteran leadership.

Once Gentry had all of these factors on a team he went to the Western Conference finals. Now, we don't have any of those on our team but hey, simply take a timeout and it'll solve all of our problems.

You said in another thread that you thing take Rick Carlise is a good coach. Why? Have you seen a game by the Mavericks this season? he uses terrible rotations and hill timeouts don't show any kind of impact on the team.

[rsavaj]

I'm not scapegoating Gentry, I have repeatedly said he is a poor head coach for the last three years. We have little to no plays, why can't I blame that on our coach? Isn't that part of his job?

Vaj, I said they "seem" to not want to play for him.

I don't think this team is devoid of talent, I just don't think the players are used correctly. I don't think we run any plays for individual players, and we continue to be reliant on the three point shot, when we can rarely make it.

If we are going to start Brown, we need Tucker to start next to him. Moving Brown to the starting lineup, while leaving Beasley there as well, we have our two worst wing defenders in the starting lineup. Although they are decent offensive players, they allow the opposing wings to get into shooting rhythms that kill our chances. There are two easy plays that we could run for Brown, using Tucker. First is a back door play, with Tucker setting the screen, and then either following Brown to the basket for clean up, or rolling out to the three, which besides his latest poor shooting, has been one of our best three point shooters. Then run a similar play, with Brown coming around the screen to take the elbow shot, Tucker rolls to the basket for a possible pass. Those are the two best plays for Brown, and it gets him into the game. Then use Beasley as the scorer off the bench. I really didn't like Scola being moved to the bench. He is one of our most reliable players, with one of the better Bball IQs on the team.

I think Goran will be fine if Turner takes over, as long as he is allowed freedom to run his squad.

Either way, I think this is Gentry's last year, so why wait? I say he will be fired by January 15th.

I disagree on a fair number of points.

First, I think it's incorrect to say that "Gentry has little to no plays." He tried installing the corner offense earlier this season, but it didn't work, because our players are idiots: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/ ... and-others

In response, he tried instituting an offense that gets everybody involved through off-ball movement, but again...our players are idiots:

. The Nash-led Suns initiated their offense from the top of the key, allowing the ball to stay in Steve’s hands for most of the possession. This year’s team forces the ball to one side or the other almost immediately, taking the ball out of Dragic’s hands. This approach relies on off-the-ball movement to generate open shots.

That strategy is fine so long as the player with the ball on the wing or the high block can hit the open man.

Tonight, the offense completely stagnated after the first pass time and time again. Dragic hit Gortat in the post or Beasley on the wing, and the ball would stay in their hands for 6-8 seconds before they even faced up and made themselves a threat. It doesn’t matter how adept the other four players on the court are at setting screens or moving to open areas if the man with the ball cannot or will not pass to them.

So the Suns settled for one-on-one play time and time again. Unsurprisingly, that led to 19 turnovers (including nine in the first quarter) and 34 percent shooting from the field. The Suns aren’t talented enough to beat teams one-on-one. They have to move the ball and make defenses work. That’s exactly what Detroit did to them tonight.

Read more: http://valleyofthesuns.com/2012/11/28/d ... z2DdrjQSCm

Thirdly, we're actually not as reliant on the 3 or the jumpshot as you suggest.

Myth: The Suns take too many jump shots.
Fact: The Suns are FOURTH in the NBA in FGA's within five feet and are NINTH in FG% within that range.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/ ... and-others

These figures are from right after the Philly game, so I don't know what they are now after last night's embarrassment, but the point stands.

Fourth, I disagree most with you about the amount of talent on our team.

Looking at our rotation:

Dragic--solid starter at the PG spot, rising young player
Brown--career scrub...has flashes of brilliance that are overwhelmed by month-long stretches of idiocy
Beasley--career scrub who is living off of "potential"
Morris--had one good month as a rookie; has had one good week so far this season
Gortat--solid starter at the C spot who appears to have completely regressed this season for reasons yet to be determined...may have been another Nash creation, which means we're pretty screwed if that's true

Bassy--career scrub who had one good month last season; I appreciate his tenacity and his defense, and am rather fond of him actually, but let us not overstate his production
Dudley--solid NBA rotation player who hasn't shown up this season for reasons yet to be determined
Tucker--my 2nd favorite player on this squad...love his hustle, his D, his intensity, but ultimately, the dude is basically a hustle player trying to make his way back into the league after many years
Scola--solid NBA player on the downside of his career
O'Neal--has been more corpse than player over the past few seasons...his resurgence has been a pleasant surprise, but I don't think it'll last for the whole season

Marshall--not ready for the NBA for a few years
Wes--will be out of the NBA after this contract
Zeller--we have the wrong sibling, again
Diante Garrett--cool name bro

I don't think I'm being pessimistic in my evaluations. I think the Sarver/Blabby brain trust has put together a pretty bad roster. To expect much more out of this team than what we've seen is to expect too much, IMO.

[Frank Lee]

.....I don't think I'm being pessimistic in my evaluations. I think the Sarver/Blabby brain trust has put together a pretty bad roster. To expect much more out of this team than what we've seen is to expect too much, IMO.

Yes,,,, silk purse meet sow's ear.

How much credit are we going to give our 'talent evaluator' Blanks in this mess ? I question the degree of Sarver's involvement in obtaining these guys.... We added Dragic, Measley, Brown, ONeal, Scola, TheG, Tucker, Telfair, Morris, and Marshall over the past 2 yrs.... and assorted other scrubs.... Other than theD and theG, who really has paid off ? Blanks has to be held accountable too. Problem is, it might take some doing to get out of this mess.

Hindsight is pretty clear with us.... but it always is with sports.

[rsavaj]

.....I don't think I'm being pessimistic in my evaluations. I think the Sarver/Blabby brain trust has put together a pretty bad roster. To expect much more out of this team than what we've seen is to expect too much, IMO.

Yes,,,, silk purse meet sow's ear.

How much credit are we going to give our 'talent evaluator' Blanks in this mess ? I question the degree of Sarver's involvement in obtaining these guys.... We added Dragic, Measley, Brown, ONeal, Scola, TheG, Tucker, Telfair, Morris, and Marshall over the past 2 yrs.... and assorted other scrubs.... Other than theD and theG, who really has paid off ? Blanks has to be held accountable too. Problem is, it might take some doing to get out of this mess.

Hindsight is pretty clear with us.... but it always is with sports.

Blabby = Blanks + Babby.

I was trying to be funny, but you ruined it, Frank. I thought we were friends.

[Frank Lee]

haha... I am a little slow with the quips.

Humor has been neglected here for sometime.

BTW
I'd vote to keep Gentry for the duration of his contract. Cant lay this all on him.

[RunDogGun]

Vaj, I don't remember mentioning Carlile as being anything great, although he isn't doing too poorly with a bunch of old guys, cast offs, and guys that have yet to reach their potential. Isn't that what you are praising Gentry for? If you don't like Rick, I don't see why you would like Alvin.

As for this so called offense set, ok. I guess saying it makes it true, and then saying the guys are just too stupid to run it, ok. I like when we run the offense through Scola, he seems to be one of the higher Bball IQs on the squad, but he was demoted for Morris. If the guys are dumb, why the heck keep some of them in the starting lineup, and insert more of those lower IQs? Does that sound like good coaching? "Yep, my guys are dumb, so what I will do is put in even dumber guys, and take out the few smart ones I have."

Again, it's cool if you guys don't see the ineptness of our coach. It doesn't bother me, and I am not yelling or insulting anyone over it (nor am I saying you are), but I can't help what I see. I have seen some of these guys play great at different times. Not all of the guys are starters, but many of them have been on other teams, and some of those teams with better records than us. Maybe create different starting lineups for different teams we face. I've made some suggestions, with very little critiques to those ideas. Relying on a shot doesn't have to mean we take more than other teams. Over the last three years, we have too many guys standing around the three point line, waiting for the pass, while very little movement. To me, that seems that we rely on that shot to either get us in the game, or to open up the middle. Since we can't make that shot right now, and the guys taking the bulk of those shots, can't hit them right now, we need a different offensive set and/or sets. I like DRK's idea of running the second unit.

But weren't you against putting Brown and Beas in the starting lineup? Changed your mind? Look Gentry puts these guys in the lineups, he allows them the green light to shoot whenever. It his lack of discipline that allows low IQ guys to be chuckers. I still don't understand Gortat and Goran sitting so long in the fourth the other night. If they were being disciplined, why? Yet Beas and Brown can chuck all game if they want. Frye the same last year.

We are losing winnable games, and this "devoid of talent" team are in many of those winnable games. Our coach does a "pure urine" job at rotations, adjustments, and controlling momentum that have cost us wins over the last three years. I am tired of seeing it.

Since we have a few of these guys locked up for the next three to four years, and it seems that Gentry is at the end of his contract, I don't see the point in delaying. Fire him, and move on. If Gortat continues to play poorly because of any conflict with Alvin, we won't get a good exchange in a trade, same with other guys. Honestly, I don't think we could do any worse, and if we do, than all the draft praisers will be happy.

[rsavaj]

Vaj, I don't remember mentioning Carlile as being anything great, although he isn't doing too poorly with a bunch of old guys, cast offs, and guys that have yet to reach their potential. Isn't that what you are praising Gentry for? If you don't like Rick, I don't see why you would like Alvin.

As for this so called offense set, ok. I guess saying it makes it true, and then saying the guys are just too stupid to run it, ok. I like when we run the offense through Scola, he seems to be one of the higher Bball IQs on the squad, but he was demoted for Morris. If the guys are dumb, why the heck keep some of them in the starting lineup, and insert more of those lower IQs? Does that sound like good coaching? "Yep, my guys are dumb, so what I will do is put in even dumber guys, and take out the few smart ones I have."

Again, it's cool if you guys don't see the ineptness of our coach. It doesn't bother me, and I am not yelling or insulting anyone over it (nor am I saying you are), but I can't help what I see. I have seen some of these guys play great at different times. Not all of the guys are starters, but many of them have been on other teams, and some of those teams with better records than us. Maybe create different starting lineups for different teams we face. I've made some suggestions, with very little critiques to those ideas. Relying on a shot doesn't have to mean we take more than other teams. Over the last three years, we have too many guys standing around the three point line, waiting for the pass, while very little movement. To me, that seems that we rely on that shot to either get us in the game, or to open up the middle. Since we can't make that shot right now, and the guys taking the bulk of those shots, can't hit them right now, we need a different offensive set and/or sets. I like DRK's idea of running the second unit.

But weren't you against putting Brown and Beas in the starting lineup? Changed your mind? Look Gentry puts these guys in the lineups, he allows them the green light to shoot whenever. It his lack of discipline that allows low IQ guys to be chuckers. I still don't understand Gortat and Goran sitting so long in the fourth the other night. If they were being disciplined, why? Yet Beas and Brown can chuck all game if they want. Frye the same last year.

We are losing winnable games, and this "devoid of talent" team are in many of those winnable games. Our coach does a "pure urine" job at rotations, adjustments, and controlling momentum that have cost us wins over the last three years. I am tired of seeing it.

Since we have a few of these guys locked up for the next three to four years, and it seems that Gentry is at the end of his contract, I don't see the point in delaying. Fire him, and move on. If Gortat continues to play poorly because of any conflict with Alvin, we won't get a good exchange in a trade, same with other guys. Honestly, I don't think we could do any worse, and if we do, than all the draft praisers will be happy.

GHill mentioned Carlisle, not me .

I personally didn't like the lineup changes, but until this Detroit game, they were actually working out quite well:

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2012/ ... r-the-suns

There are too many excerpts that I want to paste from there to the point it would basically be ripping the entire article off, so I just provided the link. The summary: until that Detroit disaster, our play actually improved a lot after Alvin subbed in Brown/Keef in place of Dudley/Scola.

My main beef with Gentry is that I feel like he rides the hot hand just a little too long, and that can lead to the starters sitting a bit too long for my liking. I also don't think he plays Goran enough minutes.

As far as Beas chucking all he wants without punishment, that's demonstrably not true. How many games have we seen where Alvin has sat Beas in the 4th in favor of PJ Tucker?

I'm in wait-and-see mode. I think he has his strengths and his weaknesses, but I'm of the opinion that a different coach would not change the forecast for this team.

[RunDogGun]

Sorry for the mixup, everyone has just blended together a bit, seeing that I am the only one wanting Gentry gone. Like I've said, if I saw a change over the last three years that showed me an improvement by Gentry, I would be all for staying in a wait and see mode. Unfortunately, I just haven't. Same mistakes continue to happen with little to no learning from those mistakes, and it is costing us wins. Seeing that a few wins have been the difference between making the playoffs and watching them, I find it easy to blame the coach. And drafting at thirteen instead of sixteen isn't enough for me to be ok with losing winnable games.

I don't mind him riding the hot hand, as long as that doesn't mean most of the guys that play with the hot hand aren't left in as well. But I am tired of the regular shifts, and whoever starts the game, starts the third. Our guys are young enough that we can shorten rotations if needed.

[Frank Lee]

This is where my tipi is.....

I'm in wait-and-see mode. I think he has his strengths and his weaknesses, but I'm of the opinion that a different coach would not change the forecast for this team.

Unless we experience an out and out mutiny similar to the Porter fiasco.... then why bother ? I have accepted the fate of this squad. Making the playoffs would be OK with me, but surely, you would not expect much from this team once there. This must be what it is like being a Warrior fan.

Since we have a few of these guys locked up for the next three to four years, and it seems that Gentry is at the end of his contract, I don't see the point in delaying. Fire him, and move on. If Gortat continues to play poorly because of any conflict with Alvin, we won't get a good exchange in a trade, same with other guys. Honestly, I don't think we could do any worse, and if we do, than all the draft praisers will be happy.

. OK... I could camp there too

[denial]

I recognize that we do not have a ton of talent and i do not blame gentry for that.

Here is why we should fire him:

I think we look very similar to last years team (and the year before). We always blamed amare and Nash for our bad defense. And now?

Our system is broken on both ends, and has been for three years. We play the same no matter our personel.

We have been very consistent for three years. Same strengths. Same
Weaknesses. Same result.


Yes our roster isn't very talented. But even if we had lots
Of talent we would have the same exact soft chucking personality.

The problem is the system. That Falls on the coach.

I dont care if we lose every game. I want a coach with ideas.

I want to fire gentry, not to try to fix this season. But for the sake of just going a new direction completely. The best thing that could happen this season is we lose, a lot. But somehow still have the players believing in next year.

[Revived]

Gentry just doesn't know how to substitute. He's a good players HC and he's nice and everything but he doesn't understand strategy. That's why he would make a GREAT assistant HC but a mediocre at best HC.

The lineups he throws on the floor are horrible. He keeps the bench out there forever even when the opposing team has put in the starters and their starters are killing our bench. How does he constantly keep Dragic out of the game in the 2nd QTRs til 3 mins left is astonishing to me.

[RunDogGun]

Goran is playing only 0.2 more minutes than Nash did last year, and Nash was not only injured(continually because of the back) but old. Gentry just makes his regular rotations, because he doesn't know how to do it any other way.