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Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:28 am**

Did going cold turkey throw Beasley off his game? He was ballin two seasons ago in Minny and those busts and twit pics tell you Beas was happy and hungry at odd times of the night.

If a regular tobacco smoker can have quitting wreak havoc on everything including mental clarity, I'd say some of the same can apply to the other kind of cigarette Connoisseur.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:34 am**

Doubt he went cold turkey. Very little applies to marijuana that applies to tobacco. Nicotine is addictive, THC is not.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:42 am**

WTFsunsFTW wrote:Doubt he went cold turkey. Very little applies to marijuana that applies to tobacco. Nicotine is addictive, THC is not.

I think he's clean. I doubt the Suns, especially Sarver, put up 18 million without some kind of clause or stipulation to protect their investment.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:21 am**

His points per game stat was nice on paper but he was an absolutely awful player that year. He had to jack up 17 shots a game to get his 19. He was more of a "shooter" than he was a scorer. The Twolves let him be their leading shot taker, he took over 200 shots more than Love (yet Love still scored far more), and he was the same piss poor defensive player we see now. The problem with Beasley is that even if he is shooting a decent percentage he still is turnover prone, never gets to the line and his habit of freezing the ball derails the offense of all his teammates.

A lot of people wondered how a team with a dominant big man like Kevin Love could possibly win a mere 17 games... the answer... Michael Beasley.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:55 pm**

His toxicity may yet mutate him into something special:

*stolen from BSOTS article*

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:44 pm**

MathiasPW wrote:His toxicity may yet mutate him into something special:

*stolen from BSOTS article*

Lmao!

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:21 pm**

I am somewhat of a specialist in this area.

While being sober doesnt throw you off of course by any means (it only takes a couple weeks to get use to not smoking) I do notice advantages when I play while medicated. I can get into a zone with outside shooting easier and it doesnt have any drawbacks.

I dont think his problem is weed as much as it is simply maturity and determination. I know hes young but hes getting paid a ton of money to play a game the least he could do is hit the weights and work on his conditioning; sometimes it seems like he coasts... I almost wonder if he is just conserving energy because he isnt in top shape. Its alot easier for skinny athletic guys to get by with less work because they always look ripped even if their cardio isnt good.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:25 pm**

MathiasPW wrote:His toxicity may yet mutate him into something special:

*stolen from BSOTS article*

http://arizonaorganix.org/joomla31/
They just started opening dispensories in AZ last week - lets get him his medical card it may transform him into an allstar! 8-)

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:18 am**

WTFsunsFTW wrote:Doubt he went cold turkey. Very little applies to marijuana that applies to tobacco. Nicotine is addictive, THC is not.

Oh Jesus not this 1990's propaganda nonsense.

Thc is absolutely addictive.
I don't care what study you cite it what you think you have read

I had an addictionologist for a year as I fought for custody of my kids and had to pee clean.
I took a drug called gabepentin to help cope with the withdrawal symptoms (mental AND physical).
After I won the battle (and eventually I became too tolerant to the gabepentin) I went right back to smoking.

You can call me weak or whatever. I have quit nicotine and alcohol. Thc is terribly difficult to kick though.

My doc just laughed at that "mj isn't addictive" sentiment and assured me 1) no im not insane and 2) my addiction is 100% real and just as valid as a meth or heron hook

Thank god for the doc in San Diego who heads the research on gabepentin or I would have lost my mind (and my kids)

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2012 9:25 am**

denial wrote:Thc is absolutely addictive.

Citation needed

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:46 pm**

Moochthemonkey wrote:
denial wrote:Thc is absolutely addictive.

Citation needed

You can find the studies yourself if u care.

Quick starting point: http://www.science20.com/news_articles/ ... abit-89518

Dr Barbara Mason:
“In human cannabis users who try to quit, this stress response is reflected in reports of drug craving, sleep disturbances, anxiety, irritability, and dysphoria, any one of which can motivate a person to return to using, because cannabis will quiet these symptoms,..."

... “Some people deny that cannabis can be addictive, but surveys show that between 16 and 25 percent of substance use treatment admissions around the world every year involve people with primary cannabis dependence.”

Ps: I think you were just joking but I figured I'd give a link anyways

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:16 pm**

denial wrote:Oh Jesus not this 1990's propaganda nonsense.

Thc is absolutely addictive.
I don't care what study you cite it what you think you have read

I had an addictionologist for a year as I fought for custody of my kids and had to pee clean.
I took a drug called gabepentin to help cope with the withdrawal symptoms (mental AND physical).
After I won the battle (and eventually I became too tolerant to the gabepentin) I went right back to smoking.

You can call me weak or whatever. I have quit nicotine and alcohol. Thc is terribly difficult to kick though.

My doc just laughed at that "mj isn't addictive" sentiment and assured me 1) no im not insane and 2) my addiction is 100% real and just as valid as a meth or heron hook

Thank god for the doc in San Diego who heads the research on gabepentin or I would have lost my mind (and my kids)

Wow, just wow.

I looked up your little miracle pill "gabepentin", its acually calle Gabapentin...

Gabapentin is used primarily for the treatment of seizures, neuropathic pain, and hot flashes.[2] There are, however, concerns regarding the quality of the research on its use to treat migraines, bipolar disorders, and pain.[3]

and...

Gabapentin is not supported for alcohol withdrawal,[20] and treatment of smoking cessation have had mixed results.[21][22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabapentin

Your so called genius doctor probably sold you on some low dosage of this crap to help cope with your "addiction".

Marijuana is not physically addictive, but it can be mentally addictive. There's a huge difference.

Speaking from personal experience, I used to smoke around 3-5 grams of high quality cannabis each day, and had to quit cold turkey because of some legal issues. I can absolutely say that, at least for myself, that "marijuana" does not cause a physical addiction.

Yes I had mild symptoms of withdraw, irritability, and insomnia. But they gradually trickled off after a span of about 3 months. And these were attributed to a mental addiction. I stayed sober for about a year with no other problems. I still smoke, but not nearly as much as I used to and I don't plan on increasing my cannabis intake any time soon, which would be a true sign of physical addiction.

This guy sold you on this crap and told you that you were addicted to weed which is not the case. It seemed to have somewhat of a placebo effect on you to get over your "addiction" but you were never truly physically addicted to it, you just thought you were. :lol:

It's all mental.

Posted: **Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:42 pm**

Anyone can be addicted to anything mentally, but as Beas said, it isn't always a physical addiction. I know tons of people who have quit smoking pot with no problems at all.

My problem with it in this case is, I think Beasley is doing it before games. To me, weed doesn't seem like an athletic performance enhancer. Arts and music, sure, but professional Bball? I just don't see how it would help.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:30 am**

How are you all more qualified than medical doctors to speak on this stuff?

Everything you're saying is recycled baseless nonsense.

Dr mason did a double blind controlled study which accounts completely for placebo effects. You're speaking out of complete ignorance.

BeazTreez wrote:I looked up your little miracle pill "gabepentin", its acually calle Gabapentin...

"My" miracle drug? Um, whats your beef dude?

Gabapentin is used primarily for the treatment of seizures, neuropathic pain, and hot flashes.[2] There are, however, concerns regarding the quality of the research on its use to treat migraines, bipolar disorders, and pain.[3]

wtf does this have to do with anything?

Gabapentin is not supported for alcohol withdrawal,[20] and treatment of smoking cessation have had mixed results.[21][22]

wtf does this have to do with anything?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabapentin

Wikipedia makes you so smart

Your so called genius doctor probably sold you on some low dosage of this crap to help cope with your "addiction".

Who called him a genius? My Dr is named Dr. Ashbury. He is well reputed. Further, he didn't sell me on anything. I called him and asked for the drug by name after Dr. Mason told me about it (I wrote to her in desperation, because there is no help for people like me, because of ignorance by people like you)

Marijuana is not physically addictive, but it can be mentally addictive. There's a huge difference.

You're absolutely wrong, Doctor.

Speaking from personal experience, I used to smoke around 3-5 grams of high quality cannabis each day, and had to quit cold turkey because of some legal issues. I can absolutely say that, at least for myself, that "marijuana" does not cause a physical addiction.

Then speak for YOURSELF and quit trying to discredit me and my experience.

This guy sold you on this crap and told you that you were addicted to weed which is not the case.

Why? What was his motive?

It seemed to have somewhat of a placebo effect on you to get over your "addiction" but you were never truly physically addicted to it, you just thought you were. It's all mental.

Wow, your assumptions over double-blind controlled studies and my personal experience.

I G N O R A N T

Speak on things you KNOW about.

Since you think websites have all the facts, here is something from WebMD:

"Many experts also believe that marijuana is physically addictive..."
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/mari ... ts-effects

Yes I had mild symptoms of withdraw, irritability, and insomnia.

lol - yeah not being able to sleep for three months was all in your head. How was your appetite?
Next time, try taking some Gabapentin. I bet you fare better.

I still smoke

Classic! Denial much?

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:48 am**

RunDogGun wrote:Anyone can be addicted to anything mentally, but as Beas said, it isn't always a physical addiction. I know tons of people who have quit smoking pot with no problems at all.

I quit smoking cigarettes with no problem.
I quit drinking alcohol with no problem.

And that proves... exactly nothing. Both are extremely addictive, physically.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2012 7:41 am**

denial wrote:How are you all more qualified than medical doctors to speak on this stuff?

..But you are?

Neither of the sources you provide say anything about THC having properties that create chemical addictions...I thought that's what the argument was originally about, because as a few posters mentioned already- anything can have a mental addiction and arguing about that is a rather moot point. Also, you only cited a portion of the article that supports your side of the argument. When there's this written in the article as well:

Contrary to what many pot smokers may tell you, marijuana is addictive, at least psychologically

Pornography can also be addicting, as can chocolate, as can video games. That doesn't warrant someone to direct hostility to someone who advertises otherwise. Chemical or psychological dependency, it shouldn't really matter though, only you can say whether you are addicted to something to the point where it's causing you harm- and seeking point treatment at this point regardless of what you are addicted to should be encouraged, not belittled or scoffed at.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2012 5:12 pm**

denial wrote:1. How are you all more qualified than medical doctors to speak on this stuff?

2. Everything you're saying is recycled baseless nonsense.

3. Dr mason did a double blind controlled study which accounts completely for placebo effects. You're speaking out of complete ignorance.

4. "My" miracle drug? Um, whats your beef dude?

5. wtf does this have to do with anything?

6. wtf does this have to do with anything?

7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabapentin

Wikipedia makes you so smart

8. Who called him a genius? My Dr is named Dr. Ashbury. He is well reputed. Further, he didn't sell me on anything. I called him and asked for the drug by name after Dr. Mason told me about it (I wrote to her in desperation, because there is no help for people like me, because of ignorance by people like you)

9.
Marijuana is not physically addictive, but it can be mentally addictive. There's a huge difference.

You're absolutely wrong, Doctor.

10.
Speaking from personal experience, I used to smoke around 3-5 grams of high quality cannabis each day, and had to quit cold turkey because of some legal issues. I can absolutely say that, at least for myself, that "marijuana" does not cause a physical addiction.

Then speak for YOURSELF and quit trying to discredit me and my experience.

11.
This guy sold you on this crap and told you that you were addicted to weed which is not the case.

Why? What was his motive?

12.
It seemed to have somewhat of a placebo effect on you to get over your "addiction" but you were never truly physically addicted to it, you just thought you were. It's all mental.

Wow, your assumptions over double-blind controlled studies and my personal experience.

13. I G N O R A N T

14. Speak on things you KNOW about.

15. Since you think websites have all the facts, here is something from WebMD:

"Many experts also believe that marijuana is physically addictive..."
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/mari ... ts-effects

16.
Yes I had mild symptoms of withdraw, irritability, and insomnia.

lol - yeah not being able to sleep for three months was all in your head. How was your appetite?
Next time, try taking some Gabapentin. I bet you fare better.

17.
I still smoke

Classic! Denial much?

Well since you asked...

1. I never said I was. But not all Doctors are professional... there's a lot of bad ones, just as much as there are good ones... just because someone is a doctor doesn't make their opinion the freakin' Bible.

2. Like what? I was said nothing that wasn't based off of personal experience.

3. WTF? So... he did 1 test on how many subjects? What were the variables? Do you even know? How am I being ignorant? I have experienced this first hand, how is that ignorant?

4. You are making it seem like this drug helped you get over your so called "addiction". It didn't, it just helped with the symptoms of mental withdraw. There is something else wrong with you and it's not the weed. You sir are the one who is IGNORANT.

5. Did you even research what your taking? That gaba-whatever it is, is primarily used for treating people with freakin' Hot Flashes... :lol:

6. This has everything to so with what you are talking about... it says it's not supported for alcohol withdraw... which is much worse than THC withdraw.... so how can it possible help with that? And also the treatment of smoking cessation with MIXED RESULTS.... aka, that means IT DOESN'T WORK.

7. Show me any kind of concrete evidence that cannabis is physically addictive... not the opinion of you or any **** doctor. I can find just as many doctor's who say that weed is not physically addictive including my own.

8. There is no help for people like you because you are the only one in the world who can't kick weed. :lol:

Was the weed you were smoking laced with heroin or something?

9. Refer to #7.

10. I am speaking for myself... I said that. It's not my fault that my experience completely discredits yours.

11. Uhh.. to make money? You know doctors do receive kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies. He wants to sell you on this stuff and later feature you on an infomercial stating your glorious miracle comeback from marijuana addiction. I can just hear it now... Side effects may include:

thoughts about suicide or dying
attempts to commit suicide
new or worse depression
new or worse anxiety
feeling agitated or restless
panic attacks
trouble sleeping (insomnia)
new or worse irritability
acting aggressive, being angry, or violent
acting on dangerous impulses
an extreme increase in activity and talking (mania)
other unusual changes in behavior or mood

http://www.drugs.com/pro/gabapentin.html

Remember do not take if your pregnant.

12. You mad?

13. There's that word ignorant again. It seems you know it quite well but you use it in the wrong context. Take a look in the mirror if you want to see what real ignorance looks like.

14. I am speaking on things I know about... I just told you what my personal experience was. And believe me, if I know one thing in this world, its weed.

15. Refer to Mooch's post above this one.

16. Haha, I never said I couldn't sleep for 3 months... it was more like 3 days and my sleeping habits returned to normal. Like I said, my withdraw symptoms were there but they were all mental and thus I was able to get over them over time. My appetite was not very good for the first week or so, but like I said I gradually got over it. My appetite returned after about 2 weeks or so, and I actually ate more to accommodate for my brain not receiving the same kind of relief that I was getting from THC. So I actually gained about 30 pounds.

Why would I take a ridiculous drug like gabapentin when I obvously didn't need it? That is just stupid and... wait for it.... IGNORANT in itself. Think about it, you were substituting one drug for another, and there isn't enough research done on gabapentin to justify the risk in taking it. Think about what you are/were doing. It's actually pretty dangerous in my opinion.

17. I still smoke, but only out of personal preference. If I needed to quit tomorrow I could. I treat weed now like other people do with say wine... 1 glass of wine before bed is actually good for you. I take a couple of tokes after work and that's about it.

Posted: **Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:00 pm**

denial wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Anyone can be addicted to anything mentally, but as Beas said, it isn't always a physical addiction. I know tons of people who have quit smoking pot with no problems at all.

I quit smoking cigarettes with no problem.
I quit drinking alcohol with no problem.

And that proves... exactly nothing. Both are extremely addictive, physically.

But clearly you weren't addicted to either of those, nor had a mental attachment to them. Clearly you do have one with weed. Not that that is bad or anything.

I have no beef with you, just completely disagree with the pot addiction thing. I think people can be mentally addicted to the high they get from it, but I haven't read any research that proves a chemical addictive qualities.

Posted: **Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:38 am**

Your case is the exception that PROVES the rule, not debunks it. It goes against all other research and contradicts its findings. It's rare enough to claim as an anomaly. I promise the chemically addictive qualities in alcohol and nicotine are much more potent than the habitual addiction you had with MJ

Posted: **Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:53 am**

This is obviously a wasted debate so oh well. I just don't understand why you all are asserting your opinions as fact, that's all. You seem unqualified to make these statements.

Where in my case, I am just telling you what professional people have stated and studied. I am not sharing my opinions.

I've mentioned two doctors, not one. It is clear you guys are not even reading the stuff I am posting. Dr. Mason (a female) is one of the only doctors in USA to be granted funds to study cannabis. The studies in USA are very limited. If anyone is an expert, she is more likely to be one than you all.

My doctor, the guy who wrote the script, is Dr. Rob Ashbury. Two doctors.
Dr. Mason has done extensive research why dont you try reading about it instead of speaking out of ignorance.

and lastly, YES gabapentin is labeled for use to treat seizures. I am aware of that. That is 100% irrelevant. It is now being studied for treatment of cannabis dependency. so what if it is used for seizures? Have you read about how it works? how it works on the brain? Or how it has been studied for treatment of cannabis dependency?

I should have known better to post my info here in the first place.

Keep in mind people used the think the world was flat and they used to drain blood as treatment for disease.

Look maybe I'm not right. Maybe these doctors lied to me. Maybe Gabapentin was just a placebo that helped me through the hardest time of my life.

But would you all at least consider what I am saying? You are all saying the common opinion. Modern research contradicts these old ideas. Would you at least give it a look? Is there 0% chance that what I personally experienced was real?

Is there no chance that two doctors, unknown to eachother, in two different states, might be correct? Is it possible that the person in California is doing breakthrough research that just simply has not been done before because of laws in the USA? Is my story even remotely possible?

Is there no chance at all that the following medication might help a pothead feel a bit better when he isnt high:
"The way in which gabapentin works is not fully understood. It is thought to work by binding to calcium channels found on nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord. This is thought to affect the release of various neurotransmitters from these nerve cells.

Neurotransmitters are natural body chemicals that are stored in nerve cells. They are involved in transmitting messages between the nerve cells. Gabapentin is thought to reduce the release of a neurotransmitter called glutamate.

Glutamate is a neurotransmitter that acts as a natural 'nerve-exciting' agent. It is released when electrical signals build up in nerve cells and subsequently excites more nerve cells. ... Glutamate is also involved in transmitting pain signals in the brain and nervous system. As gabapentin reduces the release of this neurotransmitter it can also be used to treat nerve pain occuring as a result of damage to or a disturbance in the function of nerves (neuropathic pain). It probably works in other ways in this area as well."

Is it possible? Maybe? Brains. Neurotransmitters. Weed. THC receptors. brains. neurons. Pain relief. nerve excitement. stress relief. hmmm. Is it remotely possible? Maybe?

You guys are ridiculing the heck out of me and not even hearing me out. Your opinion is the common one. We all know it. Now will you hear mine out?

RealGM

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