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Where do you live?

Greater Phoenix area
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22%
Somewhere else in AZ
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In the States, but outside of Arizona
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South America
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3%
Europe
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19%
Asia
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Australia
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Africa
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Canada
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Re: Community Thread - Intros here too 

Post#1161 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:38 am

Just reading back on some of this thread...love this...

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ginobiliflops wrote:When did John Vancouver become a laker fan? WTF?
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Wait what?

edit: s**t you're right. He defected! :jawdrop:


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ginobiliflops wrote:When did John Vancouver become a laker fan? WTF?
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Wow

Thats disappointing..

I mean, Lakers?? all this time he was a closet Laker fan?

Any other team I could forgive, even Spurs (especially the Kawhi era Spurs) I can understand as they play beautiful basketball and epitome of team basketball… but Lakers??

Geez…. I'm actually really shocked.


lilfishi22 wrote:We need to invite him here to tell his side of the story. The only poster I would be more shocked to find out is a closet Laker fan is BurningHeart


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ginobiliflops wrote:When did John Vancouver become a laker fan? WTF?


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aIvin adams wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:apostasy - the unforgivable sin

nah JK. every so often I admire Laker fans. after all, they embody some of the best virtues of fandom: they love their team, even tho their team is a stinking pile of **** which is offensive to every other created thing on earth.

so kudos to them

I don't find them admirable beause they aren't any different to other team's diehard fans. I find them offensive because there are a lot of loud casual bandwagon fans, not because they are diehard fans like we are.


I see what you mean, I think. But aren't there a few real LA fans? I knew a girl in HS that was a Laker fan. I could never figure out how a good person like her could be so confused. A few yrs later I went to her dad's wake. He was a German immigrant to the USA and he had become a big Laker fan in the early-mid 80s back in Berlin.

Regardless of whether her dad was an **** or not for rooting for the Lakers from Berlin, I kinda admired her for rooting for the Lakers here in Phoenix. After all, we **** hate the Lakers. It's not like rooting for the Dallas Cowboys here-- you can get away with that. But the Lakers? You can get called out for that shir in 6th grade by yer teacher in this town.

So... I dunno. Yer right. There's lots of bandwagon fans. But doesn't that make it impressive to be a Laker fan? Here? In some way?

I dunno.


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aIvin adams wrote:
So... I dunno. Yer right. There's lots of bandwagon fans. But doesn't that make it impressive to be a Laker fan? Here? In some way?

I dunno.


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aIvin adams wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:
So... I dunno. Yer right. There's lots of bandwagon fans. But doesn't that make it impressive to be a Laker fan? Here? In some way?

I dunno.


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Yer right.

I was drunk when I wrote that.

Thanks for the guidance. #truthinlove #beatLA


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ginobiliflops wrote:When did John Vancouver become a laker fan? WTF?


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Turn to start burning his jersey.
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Post#1162 » by MilotheSlayer » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:51 pm

Not sure if this is the place to ask, but me and my roommate are looking to attend the three homes games March 2-5. Any pointers going in to it? We're flying in from Fargo ND and don't know Phoenix at allll! Thanks for the help!
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Re: Games in Phx 

Post#1163 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:35 pm

MilotheSlayer wrote:Not sure if this is the place to ask, but me and my roommate are looking to attend the three homes games March 2-5. Any pointers going in to it? We're flying in from Fargo ND and don't know Phoenix at allll! Thanks for the help!


Are you big into the bar scene? That might help determine where you should stay. I'd check every once in a while to see how many tickets are left for the games. If there are quite a bit, it might be best to wait until right before tip off and buy them outside of the arena when scalpers are trying to dump what they have left. I haven't been to Phx in a while though so others might know what is better. That's what I usually do at most all games, even outside Phx.

Depends also how close you want to stay to the stadium and if you want to rent a car or just take cabs (renting car is probably best idea though). Others still living in Phoenix might have better ideas though.
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Re: Games in Phx 

Post#1164 » by MilotheSlayer » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:18 am

bwgood77 wrote:
MilotheSlayer wrote:Not sure if this is the place to ask, but me and my roommate are looking to attend the three homes games March 2-5. Any pointers going in to it? We're flying in from Fargo ND and don't know Phoenix at allll! Thanks for the help!


Are you big into the bar scene? That might help determine where you should stay. I'd check every once in a while to see how many tickets are left for the games. If there are quite a bit, it might be best to wait until right before tip off and buy them outside of the arena when scalpers are trying to dump what they have left. I haven't been to Phx in a while though so others might know what is better. That's what I usually do at most all games, even outside Phx.

Depends also how close you want to stay to the stadium and if you want to rent a car or just take cabs (renting car is probably best idea though). Others still living in Phoenix might have better ideas though.

Thanks for the input! Definitely want to check out the night life. As of now the idea is to cab, ideally we'd be close to the arena and within walking distance of food and the stadium (if possible) Thanks again for getting back to me!
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Re: Games in Phx 

Post#1165 » by Qwigglez » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:45 am

MilotheSlayer wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
MilotheSlayer wrote:Not sure if this is the place to ask, but me and my roommate are looking to attend the three homes games March 2-5. Any pointers going in to it? We're flying in from Fargo ND and don't know Phoenix at allll! Thanks for the help!


Are you big into the bar scene? That might help determine where you should stay. I'd check every once in a while to see how many tickets are left for the games. If there are quite a bit, it might be best to wait until right before tip off and buy them outside of the arena when scalpers are trying to dump what they have left. I haven't been to Phx in a while though so others might know what is better. That's what I usually do at most all games, even outside Phx.

Depends also how close you want to stay to the stadium and if you want to rent a car or just take cabs (renting car is probably best idea though). Others still living in Phoenix might have better ideas though.

Thanks for the input! Definitely want to check out the night life. As of now the idea is to cab, ideally we'd be close to the arena and within walking distance of food and the stadium (if possible) Thanks again for getting back to me!


If you're trying to go by walking distance, a nice bar that is about a block away from the arena is Tilted Kilt. My girlfriend used to be a waitress there, it's pretty good eye candy. The food is pretty bomb too, if you're into burgers.
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Re: Community Thread - Intros here too 

Post#1166 » by Allahu Akbar » Tue Nov 29, 2016 4:54 pm

used to post on prosportsdaily but they suck. hopefully this site is better
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Re: Community Thread - Intros here too 

Post#1167 » by Qwigglez » Tue Nov 29, 2016 5:02 pm

Allahu Akbar wrote:used to post on prosportsdaily but they suck. hopefully this site is better

Welcome aboard!
That's quite a wide range of teams you got listed as your favorite!
What's your opinion on the direction of the team?
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Re: Community Thread - Intros here too 

Post#1168 » by batsmasher » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:10 am

Allahu Akbar wrote:used to post on prosportsdaily but they suck. hopefully this site is better

nah, we suck too. Sorry.
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Re: Community Thread - Intros here too 

Post#1169 » by Son of Ra » Mon Jan 9, 2017 2:57 pm

Hey everyone, it's my first time back in the Valley since moving away two years ago and I'd like to catch a game with my little one and my wife. Where's the best place to buy tickets these days?
And I remember someone posting about upgrading tickets at the game with the app a long time ago, does that still work and can it be done with any ticket?
Thanks in advance for helping me make my little one a Suns fan despite not growing up here anymore :P
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Re: Community Thread - Intros here too 

Post#1170 » by -SDU- » Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:02 am

Son of Ra wrote:Hey everyone, it's my first time back in the Valley since moving away two years ago and I'd like to catch a game with my little one and my wife. Where's the best place to buy tickets these days?
And I remember someone posting about upgrading tickets at the game with the app a long time ago, does that still work and can it be done with any ticket?
Thanks in advance for helping me make my little one a Suns fan despite not growing up here anymore :P


Normally because im looking to buy resale seats to get the best view, i just get my tickets from here http://nbatickets.nba.com/ and activate the "resale" button for the game i want. Unless its a super popular game (not likely given our performances lately) prices usually drop closer to the game, so I tend to buy the day before or day of the game unless theres really specific seats im after and want to lock them in. Even if youre just after nosebleeds, if you wait long enough you can usually get tickets here cheaper than retail as the game gets closer

Im not sure about the upgrades via the app - hopefully someone else can answer as id be keen to know before my next visit :-)
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#1171 » by bigfoot » Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:03 am

Yeah I call bull on pigeonholing millennials. I've met and worked with way too many who don't fit the mold they have been cast into by the media and others. Honestly I see nothing different between them and the kids from the 60's and 70's. Personally I think it is a bunch of grumpy old people / blue hairs who don't like the younger generation and get their rocks off by complaining about it. Hell Facebook book is littered with old people posts that are overly whiny. And remember this is coming from yours truly ... a retired, card carrying member of the AARP.
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Post#1172 » by oddity » Sun Mar 12, 2017 6:34 am

I'm a millennial, and being surrounded by mostly millennials, I can quite safely throw about 90% of my generation under the bus. Maybe it comes with age, but no one seems to stop and actually think anymore. Our internet age has pitted content creators against our ever-dwindling attention spans, and as a result stand-up has differed to memes, hip-hop has degenerated to mindless mumbling about drugs and sex, and pointless slang phrases, hashtags, and acronyms have taken the place of normal conversation. Still, as Sturgeon says, 90% of everything is crap, and the 10% of millennials that have avoided losing their smarts and grace are truly some of the most impressive human beings out there. The massive upside to the internet is that, while it tends to simplify mainstream entertainment, it offers an unprecedented library of information at everyone's fingertips. The millennials who take advantage of that become some of the most knowledgable and intelligent people ever - the problem is encouraging more of that and less of the pursuit of mindless hedonism
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#1173 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:00 am

bigfoot wrote:Yeah I call bull on pigeonholing millennials. I've met and worked with way too many who don't fit the mold they have been cast into by the media and others. Honestly I see nothing different between them and the kids from the 60's and 70's. Personally I think it is a bunch of grumpy old people / blue hairs who don't like the younger generation and get their rocks off by complaining about it. Hell Facebook book is littered with old people posts that are overly whiny. And remember this is coming from yours truly ... a retired, card carrying member of the AARP.

Every new generation looks dumb to the older ones, mostly because the life experience isn't quite there yet. People are always quick to forget what it's like to be a certain age. And this isn't just for those still living - you can find loads of writers long dead lamenting "kids these days".

I'm a millennial and I've done work with children and seen both people my age and people much older freak out at children for not listening and always yell at them. I'd bet those same people had teachers who yelled a lot and they didn't listen to them either, but they somehow forgot what if felt like to be treated that way.

Life's all about making mistakes and learning from them, and if you can learn from others' mistakes, the less of your own you'll make. And if you're an old fogey looking at these dumb kids, remember that they are newer to the world than you are, and even a few years makes a big difference.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#1174 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:15 am

oddity wrote:I'm a millennial, and being surrounded by mostly millennials, I can quite safely throw about 90% of my generation under the bus. Maybe it comes with age, but no one seems to stop and actually think anymore. Our internet age has pitted content creators against our ever-dwindling attention spans, and as a result stand-up has differed to memes, hip-hop has degenerated to mindless mumbling about drugs and sex, and pointless slang phrases, hashtags, and acronyms have taken the place of normal conversation. Still, as Sturgeon says, 90% of everything is crap, and the 10% of millennials that have avoided losing their smarts and grace are truly some of the most impressive human beings out there. The massive upside to the internet is that, while it tends to simplify mainstream entertainment, it offers an unprecedented library of information at everyone's fingertips. The millennials who take advantage of that become some of the most knowledgable and intelligent people ever - the problem is encouraging more of that and less of the pursuit of mindless hedonism

I'm sorry, but I disagree with the entirety of this sentiment.

One: Every generation's music - hell I'll expand that to art - is about sex and/or drugs. Go read John Donne's The Flea or Homer's Illiad. Hell, the Bible has loads about sex, that just doesn't get read on Sundays much. And every new generation develops it's own language, which largely includes slang. Much still persists in todays culture and you just take accept it because you weren't around for it's inception to criticize it for being "pointless".

Two: Anyone who thinks they should be kept safe from mass exodus they suggest, odds are they've got more issues than the people being excised.
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#1175 » by bwgood77 » Sun Mar 12, 2017 7:50 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
oddity wrote:I'm a millennial, and being surrounded by mostly millennials, I can quite safely throw about 90% of my generation under the bus. Maybe it comes with age, but no one seems to stop and actually think anymore. Our internet age has pitted content creators against our ever-dwindling attention spans, and as a result stand-up has differed to memes, hip-hop has degenerated to mindless mumbling about drugs and sex, and pointless slang phrases, hashtags, and acronyms have taken the place of normal conversation. Still, as Sturgeon says, 90% of everything is crap, and the 10% of millennials that have avoided losing their smarts and grace are truly some of the most impressive human beings out there. The massive upside to the internet is that, while it tends to simplify mainstream entertainment, it offers an unprecedented library of information at everyone's fingertips. The millennials who take advantage of that become some of the most knowledgable and intelligent people ever - the problem is encouraging more of that and less of the pursuit of mindless hedonism

I'm sorry, but I disagree with the entirety of this sentiment.

One: Every generation's music - hell I'll expand that to art - is about sex and/or drugs. Go read John Donne's The Flea or Homer's Illiad. Hell, the Bible has loads about sex, that just doesn't get read on Sundays much. And every new generation develops it's own language, which largely includes slang. Much still persists in todays culture and you just take accept it because you weren't around for it's inception to criticize it for being "pointless".

Two: Anyone who thinks they should be kept safe from mass exodus they suggest, odds are they've got more issues than the people being excised.


He made a great post, but I will say this content creation and cell phones have made many people from all generations not stop and actually think any more. It's not just millenials but they are growing up with it...the same people who wanted mindless interaction from past generations now have it at the fingertips and are worse.

Every day I drive by someone wondering why they are going slow or whatever and then see them looking at their phone. And no, hip hop hasn't always been about sex and drugs...there was always a lot of it out there, but there were good topics too, such as...

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#1176 » by oddity » Sun Mar 12, 2017 8:54 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
oddity wrote:I'm a millennial, and being surrounded by mostly millennials, I can quite safely throw about 90% of my generation under the bus. Maybe it comes with age, but no one seems to stop and actually think anymore. Our internet age has pitted content creators against our ever-dwindling attention spans, and as a result stand-up has differed to memes, hip-hop has degenerated to mindless mumbling about drugs and sex, and pointless slang phrases, hashtags, and acronyms have taken the place of normal conversation. Still, as Sturgeon says, 90% of everything is crap, and the 10% of millennials that have avoided losing their smarts and grace are truly some of the most impressive human beings out there. The massive upside to the internet is that, while it tends to simplify mainstream entertainment, it offers an unprecedented library of information at everyone's fingertips. The millennials who take advantage of that become some of the most knowledgable and intelligent people ever - the problem is encouraging more of that and less of the pursuit of mindless hedonism

I'm sorry, but I disagree with the entirety of this sentiment.

One: Every generation's music - hell I'll expand that to art - is about sex and/or drugs. Go read John Donne's The Flea or Homer's Illiad. Hell, the Bible has loads about sex, that just doesn't get read on Sundays much. And every new generation develops it's own language, which largely includes slang. Much still persists in todays culture and you just take accept it because you weren't around for it's inception to criticize it for being "pointless".

Two: Anyone who thinks they should be kept safe from mass exodus they suggest, odds are they've got more issues than the people being excised.


Fair enough. Music has largely been about relatively similar topics across all genres for the past 60 years or so. Perhaps it isn't quite the drug talk I care about as much as the lack of creativity in the execution nowadays; Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is at least artful and somewhat subtle with how it portrays drug abuse, but when the latest smash song in hip hop literally goes "molly percocet" for minutes on end, you have to question the appreciation for art of the generation that hoists it up. With hip-hop the change in culture is particularly astonishing, as you can track the lyrical quality slowly declining since the 80s and 90s. It's gone from Nas rapping about how 'the buck that bought the bottle could've struck the lotto', and Biggie painting his grueling and gory crime stories with the wit of a bestselling author, to the likes of Future, Drake, and Lil Uzi. Even Kendrick Lamar, who is a bastion of lyrical wordplay in the mainstream, is one in a sea of talentless peers who are being sold en masse to a generation that doesn't care anymore. It has gotten to point where, as I said earlier, rappers are now finding success by incoherently mumbling their words, which is about as far from lyricism as one can get while still talking. I can talk about music for days, so I apologize for the bloated response. As a musician myself, however, I can see first-hand how the industry is moving in a much more sterile, safe direction than we've seen for decades, and I cannot understate how very much it is a detriment to music culture.

When it comes to slang, it definitely has been used before. But again, not in this capacity. #culture has taken over #everything. Why construct grammatically correct, coherently worded sentences when we can just take the main word or two and #forgetaboutit?! This is abuse of abbreviations and slang to the point where it actually illustrates a demonstrable effect on people's writing ability. The decline in IQ from generation to generation has continued(http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/), even though we have the internet. We're getting simpler and simpler, listening to simpler music and writing simpler phrases. As they say; art reflects life.

Your exodus bit is a bid to the populous. Logical fallacy, and also untrue. Would you like to see all the areas in which millennials do much worse than previous generations?
-Lower lifespan http://www.shfwire.com/millennials-facing-shorter-life-expectancy-due-obesity/(due to obesity too, which is absolutely shameful and indefensible considering that right now in other places people are desperately fighting starvation)
-Lower marriage rate http://www.bentley.edu/impact/articles/nowuknow-why-millennials-refuse-get-married
-Lower child-birth ratehttps://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/04/millenials-not-having-babies/391721/
-Lower home-ownership ratehttp://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-are-just-as-likely-to-live-with-their-parents-as-they-are-to-own-a-home-2015-11
-Lower earningshttps://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jmaureenhenderson/2013/11/30/millennials-earn-less-than-their-parents-and-the-recession-isnt-to-blame/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/
Please come up with another wannabe philosophical statement about how I'm the crazy one for pointing all of this out or I will excise you.
Obviously the financial crisis of 2008 plays a major role in these numbers, and what we see in culture reflects the abysmal state of millennials today. Please bear in mind that I do not think the culture is causing this mess. It is very much the other way around; I choose to attack the culture because it's the most noticeable sore.
P.S: read this over and i may have come off a bit... aggressive. no harm meant bro
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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#1177 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:38 am

bwgood77 wrote:
He made a great post, but I will say this content creation and cell phones have made many people from all generations not stop and actually think any more. It's not just millenials but they are growing up with it...the same people who wanted mindless interaction from past generations now have it at the fingertips and are worse.

Every day I drive by someone wondering why they are going slow or whatever and then see them looking at their phone. And no, hip hop hasn't always been about sex and drugs...there was always a lot of it out there, but there were good topics too, such as...


I get that not every song has to be about having sex or getting high, but to dismiss popular music of this generation as being worse because of those topics is to be ignorant of popular music/art(poetry for those we don't have surviving lyrical music) from the decades, centuries and even millennia past.

As far as people checking their phones while driving - yes it is a very dangerous practice and I do not condone it - I think people forget that when people are looking at their phones while driving, they usually are communicating with someone on the other end (if not navigating). Most of the time, it's no different than chatting with someone in the car... except the person isn't in the car. Now, I'm not going to say that texting is the same as face to face interaction, but I text friends and family all the time about things both significant and not so significant but things that are usually funny or relevant to that person and our relationship. I assume you do the same thing with your friends and family. Hell, even here with almost total strangers linked a shared interest in a basketball team we're communicating frequently in what we've come to deem as a fulfilling manner. Why then would you characterize someone else's interactions via similar means as "mindless interactions"?

And I hope I'm not badgering here, as I find myself making bad assumptions similar to this a lot and I have to actively try to analyze my own behavior to see if I can understand someone else's.

Norm MacDonald - whose comedy I'm not a huge fan of interestingly enough - as some interesting insights that I find myself checking my thoughts against:

ESQ: You used to write for Roseanne. Why isn't there a popular, or even decent, sitcom about working-class people anymore?

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Re: Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 4: A Knight to remember all Tuckered out! 

Post#1178 » by MrMiyagi » Sun Mar 12, 2017 10:47 am

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MrMiyagi wrote:
oddity wrote:I'm a millennial, and being surrounded by mostly millennials, I can quite safely throw about 90% of my generation under the bus. Maybe it comes with age, but no one seems to stop and actually think anymore. Our internet age has pitted content creators against our ever-dwindling attention spans, and as a result stand-up has differed to memes, hip-hop has degenerated to mindless mumbling about drugs and sex, and pointless slang phrases, hashtags, and acronyms have taken the place of normal conversation. Still, as Sturgeon says, 90% of everything is crap, and the 10% of millennials that have avoided losing their smarts and grace are truly some of the most impressive human beings out there. The massive upside to the internet is that, while it tends to simplify mainstream entertainment, it offers an unprecedented library of information at everyone's fingertips. The millennials who take advantage of that become some of the most knowledgable and intelligent people ever - the problem is encouraging more of that and less of the pursuit of mindless hedonism

I'm sorry, but I disagree with the entirety of this sentiment.

One: Every generation's music - hell I'll expand that to art - is about sex and/or drugs. Go read John Donne's The Flea or Homer's Illiad. Hell, the Bible has loads about sex, that just doesn't get read on Sundays much. And every new generation develops it's own language, which largely includes slang. Much still persists in todays culture and you just take accept it because you weren't around for it's inception to criticize it for being "pointless".

Two: Anyone who thinks they should be kept safe from mass exodus they suggest, odds are they've got more issues than the people being excised.


Fair enough. Music has largely been about relatively similar topics across all genres for the past 60 years or so. Perhaps it isn't quite the drug talk I care about as much as the lack of creativity in the execution nowadays; Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is at least artful and somewhat subtle with how it portrays drug abuse, but when the latest smash song in hip hop literally goes "molly percocet" for minutes on end, you have to question the appreciation for art of the generation that hoists it up. With hip-hop the change in culture is particularly astonishing, as you can track the lyrical quality slowly declining since the 80s and 90s. It's gone from Nas rapping about how 'the buck that bought the bottle could've struck the lotto', and Biggie painting his grueling and gory crime stories with the wit of a bestselling author, to the likes of Future, Drake, and Lil Uzi. Even Kendrick Lamar, who is a bastion of lyrical wordplay in the mainstream, is one in a sea of talentless peers who are being sold en masse to a generation that doesn't care anymore. It has gotten to point where, as I said earlier, rappers are now finding success by incoherently mumbling their words, which is about as far from lyricism as one can get while still talking. I can talk about music for days, so I apologize for the bloated response. As a musician myself, however, I can see first-hand how the industry is moving in a much more sterile, safe direction than we've seen for decades, and I cannot understate how very much it is a detriment to music culture.

When it comes to slang, it definitely has been used before. But again, not in this capacity. #culture has taken over #everything. Why construct grammatically correct, coherently worded sentences when we can just take the main word or two and #forgetaboutit?! This is abuse of abbreviations and slang to the point where it actually illustrates a demonstrable effect on people's writing ability. The decline in IQ from generation to generation has continued(http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/), even though we have the internet. We're getting simpler and simpler, listening to simpler music and writing simpler phrases. As they say; art reflects life.

Your exodus bit is a bid to the populous. Logical fallacy, and also untrue. Would you like to see all the areas in which millennials do much worse than previous generations?
-Lower lifespan http://www.shfwire.com/millennials-facing-shorter-life-expectancy-due-obesity/(due to obesity too, which is absolutely shameful and indefensible considering that right now in other places people are desperately fighting starvation)
-Lower marriage rate http://www.bentley.edu/impact/articles/nowuknow-why-millennials-refuse-get-married
-Lower child-birth ratehttps://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/04/millenials-not-having-babies/391721/
-Lower home-ownership ratehttp://www.businessinsider.com/millennials-are-just-as-likely-to-live-with-their-parents-as-they-are-to-own-a-home-2015-11
-Lower earningshttps://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jmaureenhenderson/2013/11/30/millennials-earn-less-than-their-parents-and-the-recession-isnt-to-blame/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/
Please come up with another wannabe philosophical statement about how I'm the crazy one for pointing all of this out or I will excise you.
Obviously the financial crisis of 2008 plays a major role in these numbers, and what we see in culture reflects the abysmal state of millennials today. Please bear in mind that I do not think the culture is causing this mess. It is very much the other way around; I choose to attack the culture because it's the most noticeable sore.
P.S: read this over and i may have come off a bit... aggressive. no harm meant bro

Not offended at all, but I will offer some insights into your statistics (some of which are brought up in the articles you posted):
Lifespan - Obesity is definitely a shame and while I won't make excuses for the behaviors of individuals, but the fact that many of the largest and cheapest restaurant chains and food suppliers have abysmal nutrition (again, created and managed by non-millennials) should be credited as a large factor, as do environmental hazards such as pollutions of all kinds but especially fossil fuel consumption (again, started prior though proliferated and partaken in by millennials) causing increases in various kind of cancers (which hasn't quite hit millennials yet, but will the longer we live, unless we get cures and not just treatments). It's really unbelievable the lack of evaluation for materials in production that end up being health hazards. Another thing to consider is, how much longer could we really push lifespan without human intervention (getting into the sci-fi made real realm)? It could be we reached near-max and what goes up must come down (its somewhat likely, but not the cause of the projected millennial shorter lifespan)
Marriage and child-birth rate - the institution of marriage is under a large microscope from this generation, I'd like to see numbers on millennials born from "broken" households (what good is marriage if divorce is high?) and the fact that this is the largest atheist population ever and marriage is rooted in religion. My parents had 3 children (none of my extended families have more than 3 kids) grandparents were married in their early 20s and had 7 children and their parents had ~12 children, more than a few of whom died young from disease or in child-birth. The world population is massive, and generally speaking as successful birth-rate rises (meaning the number of babies who are born actually survive the birthing process) people produce less children. People, women especially, are seeing children less and less as a necessity for a "good life" even though there is a common stigma and pressure for women to make babies. I don't think this is a bad thing at all. People are still having children, just not as many. Not to mention viable birthing years has been extended thanks to modern medicine so you don't have to have a kid in your 20s, you can wait until your 30s.
Home-ownership and Earnings - I don't see how you can't attribute that to the economic crises and massive student loan debt this generation is facing (again, coming from institutions in place where millennials aren't in power). Because of the large amounts of debt a lot of millennials have, owning a home in your 20s is unrealistic and well-paying jobs are largely locked up by baby-boomers and genXers who aren't retiring at the same rate as their predecessors. And the fact that wealth distribution among companies is extremely top-heavy now. There's the whole "chicken and the egg" argument brewing about whether the companies that pay their employees more are getting better work because of it vs. their getting better work from their employees so they're paying them more, but the distribution from top to bottom is pretty clearly **** in most major corporations.

I think these common staples of measuring generations is getting turned on its head. Lifespan is definitely a main-stay, but everything else can be chalked up to cultural shift that place less importance on those factors or just a delay in achieving them. I hope I didn't pass the buck onto external forces beyond our(millennials) control, but I think there are a good number of things that are the way they are and now we need to navigate them (and while we can do a better job, it's still an uphill climb).

As for your music and language points (each very valid by the way), I'd like to direct you to those Norm MacDonald quotes from my previous post to BW. I find it interesting that clever phrasing of the same intent is considered to be superior. I know I have my own biases toward the clever, but it makes me examine why and I've yet to find a good answer other than novelty. There might be a level of "stickiness" to new phrasing, but I'm not quite sure if there is more. (Also, that IQ chart you posted has the US - pink line - actually increasing in IQ...)
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Post#1180 » by bigfoot » Sun Mar 12, 2017 12:41 pm

I do find it interesting that the average IQ over time is decreasing ... Except that it probably isn't !!

Personally, I find it hard to believe a student assignment for a Sociology 110 class ... http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/BRBAKER/ is an authoritative reference. It does happens to be the top hit for google when searching for average world IQ over time. What I find really astounding is a couple of bloggers have latched onto Brendan Baker's assignment and used it to support their claims in the blogs going so far as to even call out Baker as a professor at Hartford University.

I'm more inclined to believe a peer reviewed/moderated site such as wikipedia. For example, the "Flynn Effect" mostly supports increasing IQ over time and goes into some of the causes but also suggests a decreasing/stagnating IQ as well. I suspect there is some type of middle ground and maybe not even a real solid answer ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect.

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