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What would it take to get Goran on the Grizzlies?

Also, what would it take to get Gortat (for any team)?

darkangle901 wrote:What would it take to get Goran on the Grizzlies?

Also, what would it take to get Gortat (for any team)?

We have an Official Trade Thread, perhaps this would have been more suited there rather than its own thread.

Regarding your question, I think the only way Dragic could be dealt to the Grizzies is in a multi-team deal. Memphis doesn't really have any good young assets and they're good, so any picks wouldn't be great (not sure if they own their own 2014 pick or any other team's pick).

Gortat can be had for a good young prospect and/or draft picks. McDonough isn't going to give him away, so the Suns are content waiting for the best possible deal. Look at what he did with Dudley and you'll get an idea what he expects to get for Gortat.

darkangle901 wrote:What would it take to get Goran on the Grizzlies?

Also, what would it take to get Gortat (for any team)?

I am curious why you would want either player? As backups? I know you just got Koufos to back up Gasol. Do you think Dragic is better than Conley? I can't see a trade for either of them working with what you have and might be willing to offer.

Marc Gasol for both.

Yeah... I didn't think so.

bwgood77 wrote:

darkangle901 wrote:What would it take to get Goran on the Grizzlies?

Also, what would it take to get Gortat (for any team)?

I am curious why you would want either player? As backups? I know you just got Koufos to back up Gasol. Do you think Dragic is better than Conley? I can't see a trade for either of them working with what you have and might be willing to offer.

I see Dragic as a dynamite sixth man who plays starters minutes. We need more ball-handling, scoring, and 3 point shooting in our guard rotation.

I was just curious about Gortat.

Does this package sound about right for both players (together): 2 mid-1st round picks, one good young prospect (on the Bledsoe level) and expirings/trade-exceptions to make up the rest?

And for Goran only: a bledsoe type talent, a late 1st or a 2nd round pick, and trade exception?

For me, Goran is the best player right now for the Suns. He averaged 16 ppg and 9.5 ast post all-star break (after Brown and Beasley's minutes were decimated) - which is very similar to how he finished in Houston. I can't speak for the rest of the Suns' fans but with that deal I'd decline. We don't really need a Wroten or Bayless and draft picks are always questionable.

darkangle901 wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

darkangle901 wrote:What would it take to get Goran on the Grizzlies?

Also, what would it take to get Gortat (for any team)?

I am curious why you would want either player? As backups? I know you just got Koufos to back up Gasol. Do you think Dragic is better than Conley? I can't see a trade for either of them working with what you have and might be willing to offer.

I see Dragic as a dynamite sixth man who plays starters minutes. We need more ball-handling, scoring, and 3 point shooting in our guard rotation.

I was just curious about Gortat.

Does this package sound about right for both players (together): 2 mid-1st round picks, one good young prospect (on the Bledsoe level) and expirings/trade-exceptions to make up the rest?

And for Goran only: a bledsoe type talent, a late 1st or a 2nd round pick, and trade exception?

Yeah, that's probably about right, but maybe a Bledsoe level of quality talent instead Bledsoe type talent but maybe that's what you meant.

bwgood77 wrote:

darkangle901 wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:
I am curious why you would want either player? As backups? I know you just got Koufos to back up Gasol. Do you think Dragic is better than Conley? I can't see a trade for either of them working with what you have and might be willing to offer.

I see Dragic as a dynamite sixth man who plays starters minutes. We need more ball-handling, scoring, and 3 point shooting in our guard rotation.

I was just curious about Gortat.

Does this package sound about right for both players (together): 2 mid-1st round picks, one good young prospect (on the Bledsoe level) and expirings/trade-exceptions to make up the rest?

And for Goran only: a bledsoe type talent, a late 1st or a 2nd round pick, and trade exception?

Yeah, that's probably about right, but maybe a Bledsoe level of quality talent instead Bledsoe type talent but maybe that's what you meant.

Yes that's what I meant.

Would a package built around Ed Davis and either Wroten or Jamaal Franklin be enough to grab Goran? Ed put up solid numbers in Toronto when given minutes, but he just looked lost in our offense last year and I'm not convinced he'll ever fit that well next to Gasol in a slow-paced offense.

I would never insult Suns fans by proposing a Bayless-Dragic swap, BTW.

Dragic wont be traded. Not only is he one of the best PGs in the league but it would make our organization look like a joke. (Which they arnt...right guys?....)

Gortat has tier 1-2 value. Hes not a superstar so hes not tier 1 but hes a talented big so hes not as a low as a tier 2. Because talented bigs are hard to come by atm. Hes like a 1.5. So he would require a decent return.

I have no doubt that gortat will get traded its just a matter of time and it wont be for nothing.

darkangle901 wrote:Yes that's what I meant.

Would a package built around Ed Davis and either Wroten or Jamaal Franklin be enough to grab Goran? Ed put up solid numbers in Toronto when given minutes, but he just looked lost in our offense last year and I'm not convinced he'll ever fit that well next to Gasol in a slow-paced offense.

I would never insult Suns fans by proposing a Bayless-Dragic swap, BTW.

Speaking for myself, i would do something like Dragic for Davis/Wroten/Franklin. I would also like to throw Scola or Brown in there with Dragic, but i cant find a way to make it work financially.

But like i said, i dont speak for all or any suns fan on this matter, just myself. I would be happy with that package. We currently lack a PF with potential like Davis. Wroten is a tall defensive PG/SG, that i dont believe has really gotten his shot, and could blossom into something great if given the minutes to develop, which we could give him. I also have been a big fan of Franklin. The kid can play, and did a great job defending against PF's in college, even though he played SG. Highest rebounding SG in college last year as well.

Bledsoe/Marshall
Wroten/Goodwin/Tucker
Butler/Franklin/Morris
Davis/Morris/Beasley
Gortat/Len/Oriakhi

Kerrsed wrote:

darkangle901 wrote:Yes that's what I meant.

Would a package built around Ed Davis and either Wroten or Jamaal Franklin be enough to grab Goran? Ed put up solid numbers in Toronto when given minutes, but he just looked lost in our offense last year and I'm not convinced he'll ever fit that well next to Gasol in a slow-paced offense.

I would never insult Suns fans by proposing a Bayless-Dragic swap, BTW.

Speaking for myself, i would do something like Dragic for Davis/Wroten/Franklin. I would also like to throw Scola or Brown in there with Dragic, but i cant find a way to make it work financially.

But like i said, i dont speak for all or any suns fan on this matter, just myself. I would be happy with that package. We currently lack a PF with potential like Davis. Wroten is a tall defensive PG/SG, that i dont believe has really gotten his shot, and could blossom into something great if given the minutes to develop, which we could give him. I also have been a big fan of Franklin. The kid can play, and did a great job defending against PF's in college, even though he played SG. Highest rebounding SG in college last year as well.

Bledsoe/Marshall
Wroten/Goodwin/Tucker
Butler/Franklin/Morris
Davis/Morris/Beasley
Gortat/Len/Oriakhi

Thanks for the laugh. You usually take the time to poke fun at people but its nice to see you have no idea what you are talking about sometimes.

Dragic13 wrote:Thanks for the laugh. You usually take the time to poke fun at people but its nice to see you have no idea what you are talking about sometimes.

As i said, i speak for myself. Your the delusional one that called Dragic "one of the best PGs in the league". The only way that statement is even remotely considered true is if you accidentally wrote best and your true statement was supposed to read "one of the PGs in the league".

Kerrsed wrote:

darkangle901 wrote:Yes that's what I meant.

Would a package built around Ed Davis and either Wroten or Jamaal Franklin be enough to grab Goran? Ed put up solid numbers in Toronto when given minutes, but he just looked lost in our offense last year and I'm not convinced he'll ever fit that well next to Gasol in a slow-paced offense.

I would never insult Suns fans by proposing a Bayless-Dragic swap, BTW.

Speaking for myself, i would do something like Dragic for Davis/Wroten/Franklin. I would also like to throw Scola or Brown in there with Dragic, but i cant find a way to make it work financially.

But like i said, i dont speak for all or any suns fan on this matter, just myself. I would be happy with that package. We currently lack a PF with potential like Davis. Wroten is a tall defensive PG/SG, that i dont believe has really gotten his shot, and could blossom into something great if given the minutes to develop, which we could give him. I also have been a big fan of Franklin. The kid can play, and did a great job defending against PF's in college, even though he played SG. Highest rebounding SG in college last year as well.

Bledsoe/Marshall
Wroten/Goodwin/Tucker
Butler/Franklin/Morris
Davis/Morris/Beasley
Gortat/Len/Oriakhi

Yup, I would do that deal too. Only thing is that I would also try to dump Frye and Beasley in the trade...if Memphis doesn't have the cap space then maybe expand it into a 3 team deal?

But damn, Bledsoe, Wroten, Goodwin? Talk about jaw dropping athleticism... :drool:

Kerrsed wrote:Speaking for myself, i would do something like Dragic for Davis/Wroten/Franklin. I would also like to throw Scola or Brown in there with Dragic, but i cant find a way to make it work financially.

Yikes...Davis has shown little, Wroten has shown nothing and I've never heard of Franklin. Meanwhile Dragic posts 16/9 post all star break and fans of other teams keep trying to underplay his value. Dragic is not an all star but he's had two straight seasons where he's had a post all star break run that has been just fantastic. If not for playing Beasley and Brown for so long I think he would've duplicated or come near his late 2011/2012 run for the length of 2012/13.

^^exactly! Dragic ONLY does great after the all star breaks.

Ever since Goran has been in the NBA, he's only played great in the 2nd half of the season while playing mediocre to decent basketball in the first half.

Even last season, when he was with the Rockets, in 2010 during our playoff run etc. he only started playing good in the 2nd half of the season. I'm glad that at least you finally realized that.

I'm sorry but if I'm paying a guy $7.5M/yr, then I expect to get consistent basketball ALL SEASON. I don't want a guy who only plays well in the 2nd half of the season. In that case, shouldn't Dragic make only half of his salary?

Goran is overall a good player but some people here vastly overrate him just cause he plays well in the last 20-30 games of the regular season. If we can find a decent trade for him, we should ship him off IMO.

Though I must say, I do want to see how this Dragic-Bledsoe backcourt works before trading him away.

He's played behind Nash...he played behind lowry...he played with Brown/ Beasley for crying out loud (well, one does not really play with those 2 - one watches). Of course the #'s won't look spectacular. What I was really saying though is that Ed Davis/Wroten is not a fair trade.

sunskerr wrote:He's played behind Nash...he played behind lowry...he played with Brown/ Beasley for crying out loud (well, one does not really play with those 2 - one watches). Of course the #'s won't look spectacular. What I was really saying though is that Ed Davis/Wroten is not a fair trade.

So manny excuses. And how come playing behind Nash didn't seem to derail him when he was playing fantastic in the 2010 playoffs?

And Dragic didn't play with Brown much, he played with Dudley and Tucker a lot more.

Dragic didn't play well as a backup to Lowry either when given mins.

Looking back now, I agree that Wroten/Davis isn't a fair trade. 1st round picks need to be added along with Memphis taking a bad contract from the Suns.

They are legitimate excuses. Not having this "no excuses" culture in sports - sometimes you do lose because you are injured or your team sucks, etc.

I think with a new coach and fresh eyes, not to mention the addition of Bledso, we are going to see a renewed focus back on pick and roll basketball. Gortat is going to get more touches with Jeff than he did last year. If you look at his numbers and the fact that Bledso would be better at running the P&R, Gortat is going to be better than last year.

sunsfan88 wrote:^^exactly! Dragic ONLY does great after the all star breaks.

Ever since Goran has been in the NBA, he's only played great in the 2nd half of the season while playing mediocre to decent basketball in the first half.

Even last season, when he was with the Rockets, in 2010 during our playoff run etc. he only started playing good in the 2nd half of the season. I'm glad that at least you finally realized that.

I'm sorry but if I'm paying a guy $7.5M/yr, then I expect to get consistent basketball ALL SEASON. I don't want a guy who only plays well in the 2nd half of the season. In that case, shouldn't Dragic make only half of his salary?

Goran is overall a good player but some people here vastly overrate him just cause he plays well in the last 20-30 games of the regular season. If we can find a decent trade for him, we should ship him off IMO.

Though I must say, I do want to see how this Dragic-Bledsoe backcourt works before trading him away.

Disagree. First half of the season Dragic plays heavy minutes with the Dumbass Duo (Brown and Beasley). Their horrid shooting kills his assist numbers. The duo also consume 20 shots per game which reduce his scoring numbers. Dragic being a student of Nash still tries his best to get his inferior teammates involved. After Hunter takes over the duo is benched (correctly so I might add). Dragic's numbers increase. I'd have to do some research on Houston but my guess is Dragic's numbers increased in the second half because Kyle Lowry was injured and Dragic took over the starting role.

Now I am not claiming Dragic is a top 3 PG but he doesn't get the minutes of a top PG either. Most of the season he was playing in the low 30's per game. In April he was getting 38+ minutes on average and put up 17.5pts, 9.4asts, and 2+ stls . Those are very, very good numbers; close to all-star level. It's actually kind of funny. It's like Gentry didn't want any superstars ... everybody shares the ball and players get 24 - 30 minutes per game. D'Antoni creates superstars/all-stars because he runs them 38-42 minutes per game with his 6-7 man rotations. Of course he runs them into the ground too.