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Wow, this is amazing! This is absolutely an amazing podcast. If you are a real basketball fan and or have kids that you are hoping to get into basketball with aspirations of them turning pro, this is a MUST WATCH!

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I will wait for a few posters to watch before i start disusing my pint of view on the subject.

Simple solution. NBA players must have two years college or international experience to be eligible for the draft. The NBA is being ruined by low skilled players with "potential" and we are forced to watch second-rate, overpaid, no-talent players like Beasley.

Don't say it is their right to earn a salary at 18 years old. Electricians, plumbers, and other skilled trade workers have to put in 2-4 years as an apprentice (as required by their state) before they can become licensed electricians and start their own business. Nurses, doctors, dentists, and other medical care professionals have even more requirements. These guys need to prove they can play the game at a high level before they get paid these ridiculous amounts of money.

I just can't listen to Rose for that long. Plus they just basically said the same thing over and over, and failed to mention players that do this, and it doesn't help them at all. Some of the examples, which they did say was a possibility, often get held back because they sucked as students.

However, this practice shows that "Tank for whoever" is stupid. False advertisement.

See, i disagree. I think they should open it back up to being allowed to draft right out of HS. Let the NBA teams do their due diligence when scouting/working out players. If a player busts, then he busts, that was on the team that drafted him for not drafting right and not putting in the effort to scout him correctly. There is so much that can go wrong when they hit college. Injurys (Noel), recruiting scandals, and other stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. Hell, the college game is so much different than the NBA, thats why you hear people say that a players game didnt translate to College that well. Then you have the exact opposite, players that were borderline recruits in HS, college studs, then became outright busts in the league. It can go both ways.

What i believe is that there is a solution to all of this without changing any of the NBA rules of classification. Just close up the reclassification loophole. If they want to repeat 8th grade, let them. Just dont allow them to reclassify, so when it comes to drafting, they will be a year older than the rest, which has a negative impact on draft status (see Shabazz). Yes they look like a better athlete, which will help them, but they also will still be a year older, which will hurt them. It kind of helps cancel each other out.

Kerrsed wrote:See, i disagree. I think they should open it back up to being allowed to draft right out of HS. Let the NBA teams do their due diligence when scouting/working out players. If a player busts, then he busts, that was on the team that drafted him for not drafting right and not putting in the effort to scout him correctly. There is so much that can go wrong when they hit college. Injurys (Noel), recruiting scandals, and other stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. Hell, the college game is so much different than the NBA, thats why you hear people say that a players game didnt translate to College that well. Then you have the exact opposite, players that were borderline recruits in HS, college studs, then became outright busts in the league. It can go both ways.

What i believe is that there is a solution to all of this without changing any of the NBA rules of classification. Just close up the reclassification loophole. If they want to repeat 8th grade, let them. Just dont allow them to reclassify, so when it comes to drafting, they will be a year older than the rest, which has a negative impact on draft status (see Shabazz). Yes they look like a better athlete, which will help them, but they also will still be a year older, which will hurt them. It kind of helps cancel each other out.

Couldn't a player just go over to Europe for their senior year? Then they would be old enough to be drafted (since techniquely they will be freshman in college age). Sorry, I'm not up to date on exact rules for NBA eligibility.

Hoping someone can clear this up. Are they being allowed to reclassify because of their poor academics? Or can they just request to reclassify? If its because of poor grades they should NOT even be able to play sports in the first place. They shouldn't be rewarded for neglecting their education on the off chance of them panning out.

I'd rather they find a way to overhaul the NCAA to start paying players. Yes, players get a free education and other perks with athletic scholarships, but anyone denying that schools are making huge money off college sports is in denial.

Maybe it will even cause college schools to reevaluate their whole thought process to actually providing an affordable education to students rather than trying to bilk students for higher and higher tuition rates to fund training facilities, stadiums, and so forth. (On top of many other issues, such as administrators pay, tenure, and all the other bells and whistles that lead to ridiculous tuition at most colleges)

Course knowing how greedy most colleges are now, they'd probably justify raising tuition even more to cover player salaries.

Kerrsed wrote:See, i disagree. I think they should open it back up to being allowed to draft right out of HS. Let the NBA teams do their due diligence when scouting/working out players. If a player busts, then he busts, that was on the team that drafted him for not drafting right and not putting in the effort to scout him correctly. There is so much that can go wrong when they hit college. Injurys (Noel), recruiting scandals, and other stuff is just the tip of the iceberg. Hell, the college game is so much different than the NBA, thats why you hear people say that a players game didnt translate to College that well. Then you have the exact opposite, players that were borderline recruits in HS, college studs, then became outright busts in the league. It can go both ways.

What i believe is that there is a solution to all of this without changing any of the NBA rules of classification. Just close up the reclassification loophole. If they want to repeat 8th grade, let them. Just dont allow them to reclassify, so when it comes to drafting, they will be a year older than the rest, which has a negative impact on draft status (see Shabazz). Yes they look like a better athlete, which will help them, but they also will still be a year older, which will hurt them. It kind of helps cancel each other out.

There has to be a better system. You want to let an 18/19/20 year old to be draft eligible instead of taking an opportunity to go to college for a real chance at life? There are just too few success stories. Hold a draft explicitly for 18/19 years olds who can't or don't want to go to college. They must play in the D-League for two years at normal D-League salary plus the NBA guarantees them 5-years of fully paid college. If they are good enough afterwards then they can move up to their respective NBA teams with pay equivalent to their draft status. Then they have a chance of an education to fall back on. Otherwise you'll have parents doctoring birth certificates and moving from state-to-state just to give their kid an unfair advantage. And +1 on the requirement that if they are held back they shouldn't be playing athletics.

It is silly to think that athletes should be true college material in order to play professional ball. Forcing kids into college in order to advance in sport makes a mockery of the educational process.

Baseball and hockey have already resolved this with a minor league system. Players who are truly college eligible can go to college. Otherwise they can make use of the minor league system.

This isn't a big deal to me at least.

bigfoot wrote:Simple solution. NBA players must have two years college or international experience to be eligible for the draft. The NBA is being ruined by low skilled players with "potential" and we are forced to watch second-rate, overpaid, no-talent players like Beasley.

Don't say it is their right to earn a salary at 18 years old. Electricians, plumbers, and other skilled trade workers have to put in 2-4 years as an apprentice (as required by their state) before they can become licensed electricians and start their own business. Nurses, doctors, dentists, and other medical care professionals have even more requirements. These guys need to prove they can play the game at a high level before they get paid these ridiculous amounts of money.

Wow this may be the first time I 100 percent agree with you. Playing in the nba is a privilege not a right. The nba is the only place that you can get a job without qualification being met. Name me a big organization that hires people out of high school with no education or experience. College should mandatory.

I hear the nba players bring up the argument about the military all the time and its really quite stupid. They say if they can serve and die for their country at the age of 18 they should be able to play in the NBA too. That argument is ignorance and uneducated.

First off not everyone is qualitied to be in the military. A person must be on course to graduate from High school or have graduated. Second they must pass a background check. Any drug use is a disqualifier. Tattoos are highly scrutinized before entrance. Felony is an automatic disqualifier. They must pass the asvab with a minimum of a 31 score. Sex related crimes regardless of outcome is a disqualifier. Medical screens are done and people get disqualified from serve for simple things such as be allergic to peanuts. There is a multitude of othe disqualifiers. Basically it's hard to even get in the military.

Second, to advance in the military you must continue college. Since I have been in I have attained my bachelors degree and I am working on my masters.

I'm tired of NBA "players" (let's be honest it's not a job, what they get paid for is what most of use do as a hobby or in our leisure time) saying that it is their right. And that they are businessmen which is a laughable joke. playinh in the Nba, It's a privilege not a right.

Lastly, being a former recruiter and knowing what I know now, i would estimate about 65-70 percent of the NBA players would not be eligible to serve in the military.

What? This is news to people? Complete non-issue as long as players aren't lying about their age(looking at you Shabazz).