BSOTS: Marshall doesn't think he needs to improve

[Revived]

But his lack of development of any other NBA-level skills have so far made it tough for Marshall to succeed. He cannot shoot well, doesn't run fast and doesn't use his large frame (for a PG) to his advantage. Worst of all, he has always seemed sure that he can succeed without significantly improving in any of those areas.

It started in Summer League, then carried over to a lackluster training camp and right into the season, down to the D-League and back to a rebuilding project.

"I wasn't as consistent as I wanted to be last year," Marshall said after his first practice with new coach Jeff Hornacek in preparation for the Summer League that begins on Saturday. "So if I can become more consistent on the defensive end and make my presence felt offensively getting guys in position to score as well as taking advantage of my own possessions, I think I can have a pretty good season."

Marshall is a thinking man, but it still seems like he thinks he just needs to "get by" without those vital skills. He thinks about setting up other teammates, and he thinks about how to facilitate that by doing everything else just well enough to be respectable. Even now, he doesn't sound like he's totally ready to be aggressive in getting his own shots.

"Personally, I just want to get my body where I want it to be," he said of his personal goals this season. "And take advantage of my size. Maybe drop a few pounds and be a threat offensively. That would open up a lot more passing."

To become a threat offensively, he has to be able to shoot better. And with enough repetitions, Marshall could get his percentages up.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... oenix-suns

I wish I could be optimistic about him but I just can't. I hated the selection when we drafted him and he has done nothing since then to change my opinion. If he were to spend as much time in the gym as he does on Twitter, he would have developed a good shot by now.

Its impossible to develop players who don't really think they need to improve much. At this point, we would be lucky if we can get a 2nd rd pick for him.

[RunSunRun]

I've been all about giving Marshall a chance to prove himself this year, but that's a terrible mentality.

I know he wants to be a distributor, but a PG also needs to be a scoring threat to keep defenses honest. If they know he is going to do nothing but pass the ball, defenses can just key to that.

Hoping Horny gets through to this kid and teaches him that his mentality, well...sucks.

[RunDogGun]

Meh' every one of his quotes show a desire to improve an area of his game. To me, it is yet another opinion, and the quotes don't back the theory, but instead show the opposite.

However, I am used to guys saying they want to improve, and not deliver, cough Amare.

[bigfoot]

But his lack of development of any other NBA-level skills have so far made it tough for Marshall to succeed. He cannot shoot well, doesn't run fast and doesn't use his large frame (for a PG) to his advantage. Worst of all, he has always seemed sure that he can succeed without significantly improving in any of those areas.

It started in Summer League, then carried over to a lackluster training camp and right into the season, down to the D-League and back to a rebuilding project.

"I wasn't as consistent as I wanted to be last year," Marshall said after his first practice with new coach Jeff Hornacek in preparation for the Summer League that begins on Saturday. "So if I can become more consistent on the defensive end and make my presence felt offensively getting guys in position to score as well as taking advantage of my own possessions, I think I can have a pretty good season."

Marshall is a thinking man, but it still seems like he thinks he just needs to "get by" without those vital skills. He thinks about setting up other teammates, and he thinks about how to facilitate that by doing everything else just well enough to be respectable. Even now, he doesn't sound like he's totally ready to be aggressive in getting his own shots.

"Personally, I just want to get my body where I want it to be," he said of his personal goals this season. "And take advantage of my size. Maybe drop a few pounds and be a threat offensively. That would open up a lot more passing."

To become a threat offensively, he has to be able to shoot better. And with enough repetitions, Marshall could get his percentages up.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... oenix-suns

I wish I could be optimistic about him but I just can't. I hated the selection when we drafted him and he has done nothing since then to change my opinion. If he were to spend as much time in the gym as he does on Twitter, he would have developed a good shot by now.

Its impossible to develop players who don't really think they need to improve much. At this point, we would be lucky if we can get a 2nd rd pick for him.

That article was written by a blogger with the IQ of Beasley. Contradicts himself. Crap journalism trying to make a story about nothing. If he was a journalist he would be asking Marshall something along these lines.

1) What have you been working on this summer? Goran put out some nice workout videos last summer. Do you have any plans for those?
2) Can you describe some of your shooting workouts for the fans?
3) Jared Dudley was our resident twitter expert. He used to keep fans informed of his summer workouts with Impact basketball. Do you plan to take over the helm?

Simple, simple questions that expose problems or improvements. Instead it is all spectulation using words like "seems".

As hard a time we (members of the forum) give our players we should be all over these VToS and BToS bloggers who have access to the players and front office. If they can't even ask good questions they shouldn't be formulating digital thoughts.

[lilfishi22]

There's some complacency in those quotes but I don't get a sense that he doesn't think he needs to improve.

"Personally, I just want to get my body where I want it to be," he said of his personal goals this season. "And take advantage of my size. Maybe drop a few pounds and be a threat offensively. That would open up a lot more passing."

Perhaps he's just naive in thinking all he needs to do is get in shape but I got the impression that he knows he has to improve. I don't know what he's been doing this offseason but he definitely needs to work on his shot.

[SUN]

I use to support Kendall until Kerrsed convinced me otherwise. I think he is expendable as hell.

[Safety Pickle]

Sensationalized title is sensationalized

[Revived]

Sensationalized title is sensationalized

Does the article not say that Marshall doesn't think he needs to improve?

It's not like the title says that Marshall said he doesn't need to improve, it says BSOTS said it and it clearly did.

[DRK]

Also from the same article.

"Personally, I didn't prove that I could be on the court early in the season," Marshall said. "I did get my chance in the second half of the year, but I didn't do as well as I wanted to."

Marshall is ready to get back on that court this weekend in Summer League.

"I'm a lot more confident," he said. "I know what I'm walking into. I know what it takes. It's a total different mindset than what I came in with last year."

Let's hope part of that mindset is to stretch out his shot to get some more height on his release, use his body to muscle into the paint and keep on passing like he knows he can.

"First of all: win. That's my first goal," he said of Summer League. "The second goal is to prove that I can be a contributor on this team."

In order to "prove yourself" hard work and improvement is required, no? He knows he had a bad year, and he knows the work it'll take for him to get to the level that we want him to be at.


I hate to be "that guy," but it seems that most of you guy are just agreeing with whatever our Mod says because he's a "Blue-Fonter".

No disrespect to Kerrsed, as he's entitled to his own opinion, and he's a great guy, but guys it's not against the law of this forum to have a different midset. I get the feeling y'all are just "followers" because well, it's the "Popular" thing to bash on Kendall Marshall, because our moderator does.

And if you do Bash on Marshall, at least provide evidence (anecdotal or not) to show that you actually know what you're talking about, like Kerrsed actually does.




Maybe I'll start the trend of "Let' Give Marshall a Chance." There's lots of room on this bandwagon folks.

[MrMiyagi]

He never said anything about not improving. He said he needs to become more consistent and to get his body right. I thought he looked a lot quicker against Portland than I've seen him previously. He still needs to fix his jumper, but that doesn't happen over night. I think Hornacek's comment on his jumper to the reporter means that he's spoken to Marshall and that's part of his workouts, becoming a consistent jump shooter. The fact that he's unhappy with his performance last season and has improved is physique gives me some confidence in him occupying a spot on our roster, hopefully long term.

And am I the only one thinking that Archie is going to be a 2 guard? I think him and Marshall could be a good duo. Goodwin looked good taking the ball to the rim, something Marshall isn't as good at, but Marshall is a better passer. Having two pretty good size guards in the backcourt who can handle the ball will keep defenses on their toes would be nice. Especially if both become good outside shooters.

[Revived]

Also from the same article.

"Personally, I didn't prove that I could be on the court early in the season," Marshall said. "I did get my chance in the second half of the year, but I didn't do as well as I wanted to."

Marshall is ready to get back on that court this weekend in Summer League.

"I'm a lot more confident," he said. "I know what I'm walking into. I know what it takes. It's a total different mindset than what I came in with last year."

Let's hope part of that mindset is to stretch out his shot to get some more height on his release, use his body to muscle into the paint and keep on passing like he knows he can.

"First of all: win. That's my first goal," he said of Summer League. "The second goal is to prove that I can be a contributor on this team."

In order to "prove yourself" hard work and improvement is required, no? He knows he had a bad year, and he knows the work it'll take for him to get to the level that we want him to be at.


I hate to be "that guy," but it seems that most of you guy are just agreeing with whatever our Mod says because he's a "Blue-Fonter".

No disrespect to Kerrsed, as he's entitled to his own opinion, and he's a great guy, but guys it's not against the law of this forum to have a different midset. I get the feeling y'all are just "followers" because well, it's the "Popular" thing to bash on Kendall Marshall, because our moderator does.

And if you do Bash on Marshall, at least provide evidence (anecdotal or not) to show that you actually know what you're talking about, like Kerrsed actually does.




Maybe I'll start the trend of "Let' Give Marshall a Chance." There's lots of room on this bandwagon folks.

For me, I hated selecting Marshall in the draft the minute I heard Stern say his name. And since then, Marshall has done nothing to change my mind.

Kerrsed is a cool poster and everything and I love his gifs but I definitely don't follow whatever he says. There are plenty of things that I disagree with him in just like all other posters. And there are also plenty of things that I agree with him in just like all other posters. Its not like he's gonna suspend or ban us for having a different opinion than him. He ain't like that.

As for why I'm not a fan of Marshall, its cause he can't play defense and is a horrific shooter. In my book, if you can't do either of those things then you can never be a good PG in the NBA. Add in the fact that he lacks any athleticism at all and it just does it for me. He's 6'4,so if he just had any type of athleticism and desire to drive to the rim and finish at the basket, it would make him 200x better than he is now.

Marshall needs to learn to score the basketball. Whether its through driving in or shots, he won't have any success in the NBA without learning to score. His passing is great but that alone won't get him very far in this league.

[Revived]

He never said anything about not improving. He said he needs to become more consistent and to get his body right. I thought he looked a lot quicker against Portland than I've seen him previously. He still needs to fix his jumper, but that doesn't happen over night. I think Hornacek's comment on his jumper to the reporter means that he's spoken to Marshall and that's part of his workouts, becoming a consistent jump shooter. The fact that he's unhappy with his performance last season and has improved is physique gives me some confidence in him occupying a spot on our roster, hopefully long term.

And am I the only one thinking that Archie is going to be a 2 guard? I think him and Marshall could be a good duo. Goodwin looked good taking the ball to the rim, something Marshall isn't as good at, but Marshall is a better passer. Having two pretty good size guards in the backcourt who can handle the ball will keep defenses on their toes would be nice. Especially if both become good outside shooters.

I didn't read your post but your sig is making me cry

[Jarlaxle0204]

And am I the only one thinking that Archie is going to be a 2 guard? I think him and Marshall could be a good duo. Goodwin looked good taking the ball to the rim, something Marshall isn't as good at, but Marshall is a better passer. Having two pretty good size guards in the backcourt who can handle the ball will keep defenses on their toes would be nice. Especially if both become good outside shooters.

This is exactly where my mindset is as well but because Hornacek said something about PG and Archie everyone just assumes he will play the point. It makes way more sense for Goodwin to play SG while Marshall plays the point. They both need to work on their shot but I am in the camp of let's give Marshall a chance. When he got some starter minutes he had some respectable numbers with still mostly garbage players around him in his rookie year. At least give him one more season to show some improvement.

[Frank Lee]

If you can deal him, do it now. A reasonable add on low risk asset with Scola or ? . Dragic and Bledsoe should get the bulk if not all of the PG minutes. I'd rather give Goodwin the left over playing time. There is only 96 minutes to split up between PG and SG. 30+ for each of Bledsoe and Dragic... Tucker can have 10-15 at SG and Goodwin the rest.

Thinking that MArshall will somehow improve his physical limitations and his skill level by mid season even is piper talk. The guy has a lackadaisical demeanor.... and yes BFoot... these bloggers lack journalistic cred, but no where have I read anything to indicate Marshall is driven to succeed and is working his butt off to improve. Is there a 'gym rat' story we have missed? That statement about may be dropping a few pounds to get quicker says it all. WTF is he waiting for?

....Its not like he's gonna suspend or ban us for having a different opinion than him. He ain't like that.

[TASTIC]

How about Scola + Marshall to SA for Blair + de Colo?

[JohnVancouver]

I like Kendall's ame, and I think he'll come along if he works. But the article doesn't deserve a thread except to say, Meh

I agree he's meveable. Surplus to requirements at the moment, not likley to get the time he needs to improve, but hang onto him until the deadline, is what I'd do.

Marshall, Scola, Goprtat - nice chips to have in dealing

[MrMiyagi]

I agree that Marshall is a moveable asset, but I think we should take until the deadline after giving him some reasonable minutes before we give him the boot. I actually think that Bledsoe and Dragic will be playing a lot of minutes together. Sure there will be situation where one is off the floor and the one on it will be running the point, but I think that out of their approximate 30 minutes, about 20 will be together.

[phrazbit]

Marshall needs to improve before he can be counted as an asset. It does not take long for the league to decide a guy does not have it. For example... a lot of Wolves fans probably thought Wes Johnson was an "asset" but the Wolves had to pair him with a pick just to give him away. Not saying Marshall's status is that terrible yet, but mostly because he makes a lot less money than Wes did as a #4 pick. But Marshall is pretty much worthless as a trade chip right now. There are a TON of serviceable point guards in the league right now and Marshall has yet to give a sign he is one of them.

[Cutter]

But his lack of development of any other NBA-level skills have so far made it tough for Marshall to succeed. He cannot shoot well, doesn't run fast and doesn't use his large frame (for a PG) to his advantage. Worst of all, he has always seemed sure that he can succeed without significantly improving in any of those areas.

It started in Summer League, then carried over to a lackluster training camp and right into the season, down to the D-League and back to a rebuilding project.

"I wasn't as consistent as I wanted to be last year," Marshall said after his first practice with new coach Jeff Hornacek in preparation for the Summer League that begins on Saturday. "So if I can become more consistent on the defensive end and make my presence felt offensively getting guys in position to score as well as taking advantage of my own possessions, I think I can have a pretty good season."

Marshall is a thinking man, but it still seems like he thinks he just needs to "get by" without those vital skills. He thinks about setting up other teammates, and he thinks about how to facilitate that by doing everything else just well enough to be respectable. Even now, he doesn't sound like he's totally ready to be aggressive in getting his own shots.

"Personally, I just want to get my body where I want it to be," he said of his personal goals this season. "And take advantage of my size. Maybe drop a few pounds and be a threat offensively. That would open up a lot more passing."

To become a threat offensively, he has to be able to shoot better. And with enough repetitions, Marshall could get his percentages up.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2013/ ... oenix-suns

I wish I could be optimistic about him but I just can't. I hated the selection when we drafted him and he has done nothing since then to change my opinion. If he were to spend as much time in the gym as he does on Twitter, he would have developed a good shot by now.

Its impossible to develop players who don't really think they need to improve much. At this point, we would be lucky if we can get a 2nd rd pick for him.

That article was written by a blogger with the IQ of Beasley. Contradicts himself. Crap journalism trying to make a story about nothing. If he was a journalist he would be asking Marshall something along these lines.

1) What have you been working on this summer? Goran put out some nice workout videos last summer. Do you have any plans for those?
2) Can you describe some of your shooting workouts for the fans?
3) Jared Dudley was our resident twitter expert. He used to keep fans informed of his summer workouts with Impact basketball. Do you plan to take over the helm?

Simple, simple questions that expose problems or improvements. Instead it is all spectulation using words like "seems".

As hard a time we (members of the forum) give our players we should be all over these VToS and BToS bloggers who have access to the players and front office. If they can't even ask good questions they shouldn't be formulating digital thoughts.

Nice post. Sums up my thoughts on BSotS bloggers as well.

[Sunsdeuce]

Just wanted to throw this out there

Via Dave king,
@MikePradaSBN: Got a feeling that, three years from now, Archie Goodwin will be one of the 10 best players in this class.

That's high praise and a boot in the ass of Marshall. Not gonna shed a tear when Marshall is either cut or traded.