PJ Tucker vs. Archie Goodwin

PumpyFunk1 · Post #1 » by **PumpyFunk1** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:20 pm

Would you rather see Tucker's minutes cut down from 31mpg hes been running, to say 20-22mpg, and give those extra 9-10 minutes to Arch? I would. Sure Tucker is a good locker guy, and a solid defender, but I like what I've seen from Goodwin in the limited run he's gotten. I think he should be getting 18-20 minutes a game. But it could just be my bias towards Tucker because I'm not a big fan.

gaspar · Post #2 » by **gaspar** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:28 pm

If you want to win games, Goodwin shouldn't play at all. In our situation 10-15 mpg for Archie is just fine, IMO.

Calvin Klein · Post #3 » by **Calvin Klein** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:28 pm

If we keep winning, I don't care much about Goodwin's minutes. He's very young. He'll have his chance. If we start losing, play him.

Ryu · Post #4 » by **Ryu** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:45 pm

Archie will get his minutes upped in the second part of the season, I am sure.

YouTube · Post #5 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:49 pm

Ryu wrote:Archie will get his minutes upped in the second part of the season, I am sure.

PumpyFunk1 · Post #6 » by **PumpyFunk1** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 6:53 pm

Ryu wrote:Archie will get his minutes upped in the second part of the season, I am sure.

I hope so. I like the kid a lot. I hope he's putting in the extra work in improving his jumper. His tweets are money btw.

Post #7 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:13 pm

They simply have to earn it. Players want to win and you don't want a guy like Bledsoe disgruntled because we are not putting our best product on the floor every night because we want the rookie to gain experience. Bledsoe sure had to earn it. I think Goodwin will work hard and earn increasingly more minutes as time goes on.

When rookies get a lot of minutes without earning them, they turn into guys like Beasley.

thamadkant · Post #8 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:22 pm

bwgood77 wrote:They simply have to earn it. Players want to win and you don't want a guy like Bledsoe disgruntled because we are not putting our best product on the floor every night because we want the rookie to gain experience. Bledsoe sure had to earn it. I think Goodwin will work hard and earn increasingly more minutes as time goes on.

When rookies get a lot of minutes without earning them, they turn into guys like Beasley.

And that's my issue..

Suns are SUPPOSE to be rebuilding and developing.

If they win with Goodwin GREAT!!
If they lose... And Goodwin gets experience it's still GREAT.

Bledsoe's happiness isn't important.

He will resign as long as money is right.

And the faster you develop Goodwin, the faster you turn the Suns around.

Tucker is filler... Goodwin CAN become a cornerstone.

Post #9 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:51 pm

1UPZ wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:They simply have to earn it. Players want to win and you don't want a guy like Bledsoe disgruntled because we are not putting our best product on the floor every night because we want the rookie to gain experience. Bledsoe sure had to earn it. I think Goodwin will work hard and earn increasingly more minutes as time goes on.

When rookies get a lot of minutes without earning them, they turn into guys like Beasley.

And that's my issue..

Suns are SUPPOSE to be rebuilding and developing.

If they win with Goodwin GREAT!!
If they lose... And Goodwin gets experience it's still GREAT.

Bledsoe's happiness isn't important.

He will resign as long as money is right.

And the faster you develop Goodwin, the faster you turn the Suns around.

Tucker is filler... Goodwin CAN become a cornerstone.

Goodwin WILL develop and he will work harder and develop faster if he has to earn playing time. I agree Goodwin can become a cornerstone, but he's gotta work hard to get there.

Personally I don't mind if they play Goodwin and lose a bit more because of it, but I can understand making him earn his time, and it's probably the smarter move. You can't get in the habit of always playing rookies or you will never be as competitive as you could be. Sometimes it works for teams, but sometimes guys don't learn how to win (Cousins, Irving, etc). The Spurs, for example, made Kawhi Leonard earn playing time, and he has progressed extremely quickly.

RunDogGun · Post #10 » by **RunDogGun** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:57 pm

Let Hornacek decide. Sometimes it's just as good to let rookies watch and learn. Moreover, it wouldn't be a choice between PJ and Goodwin, Goodwin would more than likely get guard minutes, while PJ is getting more sf minutes. It would be a choice between Green ad Goodwin, and/or Ish and Goodwin.

thamadkant · Post #11 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:55 pm

I'm no saying of Goodwin was slacking off play him anyways... No way.

There are articles out there pointing out his extra work to improve...
And when he plays he usually gets a steal and a block and the games I've seen he was trying to be a defensive impact player.. All signs of effort and smarts.

I think with a solid 20 minutes, he'd be contributing 1.5 steals and a block a game...

His shooting will improve... And when it does.

He needs confidence to put it all together.

He needs to think he can go toe to toe with The Westbrooks and Rose to be able to play close to their level.

I think Hornacek is high on Goodwin... And that's why I'm optimistic.

Revived · Post #12 » by **Revived** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:They simply have to earn it. Players want to win and you don't want a guy like Bledsoe disgruntled because we are not putting our best product on the floor every night because we want the rookie to gain experience. Bledsoe sure had to earn it. I think Goodwin will work hard and earn increasingly more minutes as time goes on.

When rookies get a lot of minutes without earning them, they turn into guys like Beasley.

Well f**k that, we aren't gonna pamper or try to do things to just please Bledsoe.

Bledsoe isn't LeBron or Durant. He doesn't control what we do.

Cutter · Post #13 » by **Cutter** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:20 am

The most important habit for Goodwin to develop now is a strong work ethic. A strong work ethic will last a life time, and if given time will yield an elite scoring/defensive SG in Archie Goodwin.

I'm a team fan first and a player fan second. But with Archie being so young rooting for him to develop is the same as rooting for the Suns to succeed. Archie's not going anywhere for a long time.

Revived · Post #14 » by **Revived** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:49 am

More Goodwin less Tucker please.

JMac1 · Post #15 » by **JMac1** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:54 pm

SF88 wrote:More Goodwin less Tucker please.

Again... I agree with this guy. If we don't play Goodwin and keep Tucker out there, we are basically the same team from last year, especially when we play Tucker over Gerald.

Dragic
Tucker
Morris
Morris
Frye

That is the lineup from last year!!! Where is the rebuilding? Goodwin has been playing well from my POV. Getting minutes here and there, how is he going to get into a grove and get better. Plus he attacks the basket!

sunsfever68 · Post #16 » by **sunsfever68** » Sat Nov 16, 2013 10:20 pm

Tucker is what he is. A bench guy solid role player.

Goodwin could be a star. Play the man.

We're supposed to lose guys. None of this mediocre stuff ya we're playing hard but this team isn't talented enough to win a title let's be real no point in winning we need Jabari or Wiggins or Randle.

We need to tank.

This team with a few more stars now we're talking.

Post #17 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:25 pm

I think Hornacek is doing a fantastic job coaching this kid. I think he's getting him more hungry by giving him small amount of minutes. He's definitely gonna be getting closer to 20 minutes a game by the time this season is over.

bigfoot · Post #18 » by **bigfoot** » Thu Dec 5, 2013 3:36 am

PJ Tucker silencing the critics with his game against Harden and the Rockets.

phrazbit · Post #19 » by **phrazbit** » Thu Dec 5, 2013 10:39 am

Goodwin is 19, there is no reason to rush him. He is out there playing out of control during most of his minutes, you cant just leave him out there playing like that. I am sure he is getting plenty of reps in practice right now and learning almost as much as he would in real games and in an environment where his coaches can immediately address his mistakes.

I'm not at all worried about Goodwin's current rate of development.

Frank Lee · Post #20 » by **Frank Lee** » Thu Dec 5, 2013 12:11 pm

My sentiment exactly phrazy....

I get the feeling that Tucker will be a Sun for a while. Probably sign a 3-4 mill X 4 contract, and he has earned it. He's the Bruce Banner version of Dudley. He has really shored up the wing spot, with brow sweat and elbow grease.

Goodwin will benefit from being around a dirt worker like Tucker. Both similar in being overlooked, though Arch does have the guaranteed deal. Tucker is tuff as nails. Let it rub off on Goodwin.

If AG keeps his focus, he will get more minutes. Its up to CoachH. This very well could be the perfect spot for Goodwin's development.... much to 1UpZdaisy's chagrin. 8-)