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Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:09 am
by JTrain
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2/27

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2/23

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2/14 ALL-STAR BREAK

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2/9

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1/30

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1/27

Projected wins for 6 through 11 are very tight: 49, 47 (Suns), 46, 45, 44, 43.

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1/25

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1/23

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AFTER 1/13

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Hollinger has the final standings projected as this:

6. Phoenix 48-34
6. Houston 48-34
6. Minnesota 48-34
9. Dallas 46-34

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Of course, if we lose to teams like the Pistons much more, we won't have to worry about a close race. :cry:

Re: Holllinger and just how close the West race will be

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:27 am
by Ring_Wanted
This playoff odds he keeps throwing around every season is some of the dumbest stuff I've seen since the '2010 Free Agent Lottery Simulator'.

Re: Holllinger and just how close the West race will be

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:55 am
by bwgood77
Ring_Wanted wrote:This playoff odds he keeps throwing around every season is some of the dumbest stuff I've seen since the '2010 Free Agent Lottery Simulator'.


It's just a useful tool that gives you a little more insight than the actual standings.

Re: Holllinger and just how close the West race will be

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:55 am
by bwgood77
JTrain wrote:Hollinger has the final standings projected as this:

6. Phoenix 48-34
6. Houston 48-34
6. Minnesota 48-34
9. Dallas 46-34

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Of course, if we lose to teams like the Pistons much more, we won't have to worry about a close race. :cry:


His formula though doesn't account for injuries, so a team like Memphis will probably be right there too when it's all said and done.

Re: Holllinger and just how close the West race will be

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:39 am
by JTrain
bwgood77 wrote:
JTrain wrote:Hollinger has the final standings projected as this:

6. Phoenix 48-34
6. Houston 48-34
6. Minnesota 48-34
9. Dallas 46-34

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Of course, if we lose to teams like the Pistons much more, we won't have to worry about a close race. :cry:


His formula though doesn't account for injuries, so a team like Memphis will probably be right there too when it's all said and done.


It's true that the odds don't explicitly take in injury information, but the Power Rankings (which the odds use for calculations) do take into account how a team is playing recently, so once a team has a chance to play a few games without the injured player (like the Suns in the past week) the injury will be reflected in the playoff odds and record projections.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:30 am
by JTrain
Bottom line at this point, root hard against Dallas and Minnesota.

Oh, and start winning.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:19 pm
by RunDogGun
JTrain wrote:Bottom line at this point, root hard against Dallas and Minnesota.

Oh, and start winning.

I don't know why, but Dallas has had two game winning plays in which they did foul but the refs didn't call squat. In both of those games, the league has had to apologize for not making the clear foul calls. So we can root against Dallas, but the league seems to be helping them win games.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 6:27 pm
by Bogyo
JTrain wrote:Bottom line at this point, root hard against Dallas and Minnesota.

Oh, and start winning.


Only rooting against Dallas. If Minny wont make the playoffs, they will tank away "our" draftpick in the last part of the season for sure!

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:21 pm
by JTrain
Bogyo wrote:
JTrain wrote:Bottom line at this point, root hard against Dallas and Minnesota.

Oh, and start winning.


Only rooting against Dallas. If Minny wont make the playoffs, they will tank away "our" draftpick in the last part of the season for sure!


If Minny finishes 9th, we still get their pick, right? Because it looks like if they don't make the playoffs they will probably finish 9th.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:13 pm
by King4Day
Bogyo wrote:
JTrain wrote:Bottom line at this point, root hard against Dallas and Minnesota.

Oh, and start winning.


Only rooting against Dallas. If Minny wont make the playoffs, they will tank away "our" draftpick in the last part of the season for sure!


Yea I really think this year is our only true chance at getting their pick. If they struggle next year, they will probably deal Love and be worse. We have to root for them this season.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 8:14 pm
by King4Day
JTrain wrote:
Bogyo wrote:
JTrain wrote:Bottom line at this point, root hard against Dallas and Minnesota.

Oh, and start winning.


Only rooting against Dallas. If Minny wont make the playoffs, they will tank away "our" draftpick in the last part of the season for sure!


If Minny finishes 9th, we still get their pick, right? Because it looks like if they don't make the playoffs they will probably finish 9th.


That likely would mean the 14th pick so I'd agree. That's best case scenario though. That could be good in 2 ways. Love would be angry, and we take their pick.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:41 pm
by lilfishi22
DarkHawk wrote:That likely would mean the 14th pick so I'd agree. That's best case scenario though. That could be good in 2 ways. Love would be angry, and we take their pick.

The double whammy. Would love to see that happen

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:29 am
by JTrain
Wolves lose to Kings in great game...

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:25 am
by JTrain
Dallas loses crazy finish. 17 point lead with 4:35 remaining

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:12 pm
by bwgood77
Wow, Dallas lost? That's crazy.

I think at this point, unless Minnesota goes onto a a tear and has a winning streak at some point, we will never see that first rounder from them.

I'd say it's most likely we see two picks in the mid to late teens this year, and then one at 29 or 30.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:59 pm
by Bogyo
lilfishi22 wrote:
DarkHawk wrote:That likely would mean the 14th pick so I'd agree. That's best case scenario though. That could be good in 2 ways. Love would be angry, and we take their pick.

The double whammy. Would love to see that happen


If they see they dont have a chance to get into the playoffs I'm sure they'll sit some of their guys with "injuries" and finish 10th 11th west... they won't let us have the 14th pick for sure... We need Denver, Dallas (maybe us?) falling, cuz Memphis is only going higher.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:12 pm
by LukasBMW
Word, Memphis is going to make a run. They are way better then their record indicates.

Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:10 pm
by Saberestar
Big game tomorrow against Dallas. We will wear alternate jerseys!

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Re: Playoff Race (with updated Hollinger odds)

Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:07 am
by JTrain
70.3%! Minnesota and Dallas are still hot on the trail for those last two spots. Houston looks safe. Memphis and Denver have a tough climb with their schedules.

Still early though.

Re: Holllinger and just how close the West race will be

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:54 am
by bwgood77
JTrain wrote:It's true that the odds don't explicitly take in injury information, but the Power Rankings (which the odds use for calculations) do take into account how a team is playing recently, so once a team has a chance to play a few games without the injured player (like the Suns in the past week) the injury will be reflected in the playoff odds and record projections.


Yes, it will, but a large component of these projections is pt differential, and with Gasol out for a month, that skews that quite a bit, so I think you have to take that into account with them and add a couple of wins.

Of course you could say the same with Bledsoe, Paul, Iguodala, and other players who have missed significant time.