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This video is longer than my Slash brothers, Morris twins and Plumlee videos combined. Which is odd since we're talking about P.J. Tucker.

And I get that watching 12 minutes of Tucker shooting corner threes and bouncing around may make you kill yourself. Don't worry, you don't have to watch the whole thing.

Anyway, I was really just trying to emphasize what he does best in this video. Even if he doesn't dunk often, he plays fantastic defense, goes after every loose ball and has developed a deadly shooting touch from the corner.

Tell me what you think!

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scooper1030 wrote:
Anyway, I was really just trying to emphasize what he does best in this video. Even if he doesn't dunk often, he attempts to play fantastic defense, goes after every loose ball and has tried hard to develop a deadly shooting touch from the corner.

Tell me what you think!

HIs defense lately has been very suspect. Tired of seeing him get burnt by quicker players. And his three point shooting has been horrendous the last 10-15 games. During the month of Dec he was shooting 33 percent on threes while attempting about 2.3 threes a game. His attempts are down for the month of Jan to 1.6 causing him to shoot 42 percent so far in January. Combined for both months is 16 makes, 44 attempts, 36 percent. So basically he sucked in Dec but is average this month because he is taking less threes. Far far far from a deadly three point shooter. Basically he can make them when wide open like shawn marion can make corner threes now and then but no one will ever call them deadly three point shooters.

While I am looking forward to him leaving allowing the suns to upgrade, I respect your loyalty to PJ tucker.

Sunsdeuce wrote:Fixed

scooper1030 wrote:
Anyway, I was really just trying to emphasize what he does best in this video. Even if he doesn't dunk often, he attempts to play fantastic defense, goes after every loose ball and has tried hard to develop a deadly shooting touch from the corner.

Tell me what you think!

HIs defense lately has been very suspect. Tired of seeing him get burnt by quicker players. And his three point shooting has been horrendous the last 10-15 games.

His defense seems fine to me in our recent games. He did pretty well against Melo, but because of foul trouble he only played 24 minutes and Green had to guard Melo a lot of the time.

Also, the three-point shooting is still there. He's shot 7-15 in the last 10 games. In the 10 games before that though, he shot 7-26.

He really isn't a good 3pt shooter. He gets the easiest looks in the NBA and yet still manages to brick open ones.

His % may have improved cause he has started to pass up those open 3s cause he knows he will miss it. It just hurts the offense so much.

Most of the good teams we have played lately haven't respected Tucker's shot one bit.

SF88 wrote:
Most of the good teams we have played lately haven't respected Tucker's shot one bit.

He's the guy at the gym I'd leave open every time because his jumper is ugly, and his shot is inconsistent. His form relies on a lot of bounce in his legs, and when it comes time for a big clutch shot in the fourth, he's most likely gonna miss by a small margin (showed in the Mavs game).
I like Tucker as a bench guy, but I wouldn't hesitate to trade him (perhaps a package with Green).

Qwigglez wrote:

SF88 wrote:
Most of the good teams we have played lately haven't respected Tucker's shot one bit.

He's the guy at the gym I'd leave open every time because his jumper is ugly, and his shot is inconsistent. His form relies on a lot of bounce in his legs, and when it comes time for a big clutch shot in the fourth, he's most likely gonna miss by a small margin (showed in the Mavs game).
I like Tucker as a bench guy, but I wouldn't hesitate to trade him (perhaps a package with Green).

Agreed. I don't wanna say that I hate Tucker because honestly, I love players like him who hustle, and are pesky defenders and rebound well for their position. But for this team, he isn't a good fit as the starting SF.

I'll agree that right now the rest of the team probably is more in need of a swingman who can create than 30 minutes of PJ, but that's another story, and has nothing to do with the individual performance of Tucker, which leaves very little to be desired. Are we complaining about his 3pt? Really? Please, let's keep in mind how shooting works. No player is ever going to hit his shots at a fixed rate for an NBA season.

In my opinion any team can benefit greatly from having a role player like Tucker, and the Suns are not any different. Are we contenders? Obviously not, but a big reason as to why contenders are contenders is because they have the kind of role players that make a team work and win, and in my opinion this season PJ Tucker is playing like one of those. Just because we don't have Tim Duncan or Kevin Durant, it doesn't mean we don't need or can't use a Bruce Bowen or Thabo Sefolosha.

I believe that while clearly not irreplaceable, the Suns would be wise to keep him regardless of what happens in the draft/free agency, assuming the player's demands are not absurd. And if it came down to it, I'd retain him before Green or Marcus.

I wouldn't get rid of Tucker for the sake of gettin rid of him. He would be good off the bench but that's it. He wouldn't start on any playoff team in the West really.

Ring_Wanted wrote: And if it came down to it, I'd retain him before Green or Marcus.

Whoa, you realize that if Marcus goes that means that Markeiff's production also goes right? So you would take Tucker over both of them? Eh I don't know about that. Green is also tricky, I don't think the Suns would keep Tucker over Green especially if Green can just improve his defensive technique.

I was talking merely from a player to player standpoint. I do think the twins need to be kept together for optimal production, be it on the Suns or another team, but I can't take that into account when comparing PJ's performance against the rest of SFs on this team.

As for starting on a west playoff team, I don't really care about this argument, as who starts (and much more important, who gets minutes and where) and who comes off the bench, beyond the core of a team, is greatly impacted by matchups among other factors.

Anyway, there are examples of offensively challenged players who thanks to their contributions elsewhere are used in starter capacity minutes wise, from the proverbial Bruce Bowen to the late years Shawn Marion and others. This season, for instance, you have an underperforming (tho improving) Dudley starting for the Clipps, Thabo on the Thunder, Brewer for the Wolves, Danny Green in San Antonio.

I'm not saying Tucker is the same as those players, just that the role he plays, if he can sustain his 3pt%, is extremely valuable if you want to win. This, and that in my opinion, replacing said role would be much harder to do than finding forwards/guards who do Green/Marcus' job despite what it may seem at first glance.

Tucker has his days... I'll leave it at that.

Ha! Yeah, like everybody else. Very few players produce like clockwork.

In my case I see it maybe the other way around. As in most of time I like what he does and some times he does stuff I think he could improve on, or even avoiding altogether.

Carey and others have well documented how he likes to botch opportunities after an offensive rebound, or his ugly jumper.

I see that too, but what I love about Tucker is how he means extra possessions for the team thorough his hustle (which includes D, of course). This is the kind of thing that the stats, even today's advanced stuff, won't show. During this season that's what I've seen from this player, who is even hitting corner threes.

I don't think I'm overrating him. I aknoledge his flaws, but I don't consider him a liability on offense, at least hasn't been so far this season. If this doesn't change, I believe he is the kind of role player any serious team should have.

He doesn't need to play 30mpg, tho.

Ring_Wanted wrote:Ha! Yeah, like everybody else. Very few players produce like clockwork.

In my case I see it maybe the other way around. As in most of time I like what he does and some times he does stuff I think he could improve on, or even avoiding altogether.

Carey and others have well documented how he likes to botch opportunities after an offensive rebound, or his ugly jumper.

I see that too, but what I love about Tucker is how he means extra possessions for the team thorough his hustle (which includes D, of course). This is the kind of thing that the stats, even today's advanced stuff, won't show. During this season that's what I've seen from this player, who is even hitting corner threes.

I don't think I'm overrating him. I aknoledge his flaws, but I don't consider him a liability on offense, at least hasn't been so far this season. If this doesn't change, I believe he is the kind of role player any serious team should have.

He doesn't need to play 30mpg, tho.

Wow. You get props for that post. It was very well constructed. My opinion is if the suns want to get to the next level, tucker either needs to be benched or replaced with a more talented player. But I totally respect this post.

he doesn't need to be benched, but he has to stop handling the ball