The Brothers Morri

GetYourPHX · Post #1 » by **GetYourPHX** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:05 pm

A thread for discussing the future of the Mo-bros in PHX.

It seems as if it’s time for the Suns front office to s**t or get off the pot with the brothers Morri. These two basketball enigmas look like superstars one night, and total chumps the next.

So what do the Suns do? Extend them now and try to get each on a Dudley type contract? Wait the rest of the season to see what they bring down the stretch before even considering it? Trade them while their value is high?

The whole twin thing is another added element for the FO to consider. Are these two willing to take less money to stay together in PHX? If you trade/don’t resign one, will the others play drop off significantly? There’s just so many questions surrounding these two. What does the FO do with them?

Saberestar · Post #2 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:16 pm

Next summer, I would extend them. They are progressing, so they can be even good starters in the next 1-2 years.
About money and years....IDK. Probably Markieff 25M$/4 years and Marcus 15M$/4 years.

GetYourPHX · Post #3 » by **GetYourPHX** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:15 pm

When it comes to their contract numbers, the twin thing is the ultimate X factors. I've read reports that Kieff came to the FO and asked for them to trade for his brother. Still, those are internet rumors so who knows how true they are.

How much is it worth to these two to stay together long term? Are they willing to sacrifice money to play on the same team? Lebron, Bosh, and Wade all took less than they were worth to play in Miami so why no these two?

Sunsdeuce · Post #4 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:19 pm

Markieff I think definitely deserves an extension. Marcus I'm not so sure. He needs to be on the floor. The inconsistent minutes are not helping his cause.

Eventually they are going to be separated during their nba career. They need to stop playing this I can't do it without my brother crap. Time to man up. Marcus could be very good and has an upside. Be great if he could start showing his worth. However many games are left in this season is about how many games tucker will be on this team or playing meaningful minutes. Tucker is not going to get any better and has no upside which Marcus does have. So Marcus needs to man up and take Tucker's minutes away in order for the suns to keep him. The suns are going to upgrade over tucker whether it's Marcus or not.

grumpysaddle · Post #5 » by **grumpysaddle** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:28 pm

GetYourPHX wrote:When it comes to their contract numbers, the twin thing is the ultimate X factors. I've read reports that Kieff came to the FO and asked for them to trade for his brother. Still, those are internet rumors so who knows how true they are.

How much is it worth to these two to stay together long term? Are they willing to sacrifice money to play on the same team? Lebron, Bosh, and Wade all took less than they were worth to play in Miami so why no these two?

The difference between the Morrii and Miami's big 3 is easy to see. Lebron and company took slight paycuts, but each of them had already earned a pretty penny on previous contracts and make a nice slice from sponsorships outside of their NBA contracts. It wasn't too hard for them to give up some contract money for an almost guaranteed title, or two, or three. The Morris brothers have not even earned the pocket money that the Miami stars have.

That being said, I do see the Morrii taking slightly less to remain together, but based on how the rest of their season goes, I can see another team or two offerring them both contracts, should the Suns allow them to hit RFA. If I was McD I'd try to lock them up at a discount soon, to avoid possibly having to overpay later. The Morrii are a great bench duo, and with more time in the league and playing together should hopefully progress. If they could find consistency, they'd be a bargain in locked up contacts, and I think Phoenix is the best place for them to do that.

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Bogyo · Post #6 » by **Bogyo** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:42 pm

Pretty much agree with most of the previous comments. Offer something between 20-25mio / 4 years to Markieff, and whatever is the minimum to Marcus. If anyone feels like seperating him from Markieff, and he is OK with that, let them have him. He is 10th 12th player on a good team at best, so shouldn't overpay him even by one dollar...

SiMan · Post #7 » by **SiMan** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:03 pm

I would love to see them in the suns team, but it's time for them to become consistent

INFORMER-93 · Post #8 » by **INFORMER-93** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:19 pm

Trade them both.

Frank Lee · Post #9 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:20 pm

Check back in the off season. Some team wants them in a deal... they could easily go as stay. Good value now.... not so sure, if you have to dump 30>40 mill for 4 to keep 'them'.... might rather see who that would get on the open market.

The ol' two for one deal isn't always as good as it sounds.

edcaz · Post #10 » by **edcaz** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:37 pm

INFORMER-93 wrote:Trade them both.

Agreed.

Post #11 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:57 pm

Their inconsistency doesn't bother me so much because I am not expecting them to combine for 30 points, 10 boards, and whatever others stats they accumulate. But when they do, it makes it that much easier to win games.
I'd like to keep them as they add a different dimension to the team, and if they are hot during the playoffs, watch out, we'll be difficult to stop.

Jdiddy701 · Post #12 » by **Jdiddy701** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:03 pm

Only trade if the deal is right.

You guys have to realize both are very hard workers in the offseason. Their commitment to the Suns Organization is at an all time high. It's very difficult to find players take pride on being great and getting there.

Honestly, I would consider them one of the best in the league with preparation, and professionalism to their team. I would love them here til forever.

They may not be as consistent as we wish but the talent is there and their development is looking good. With both together, sky's the limit. Give it time and keep them here.

I still believe Marcus should be in the starting line up and can average 15 a night on this team, plays good D, and wants to win.

Ring_Wanted · Post #13 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:31 pm

I wouldn't spend more than 4.5M per on Kieff, and no more than 3-3.5M on Marcus, but before the extension can be discussed, I'd look to turn them into one better player.

For the season they have been alright, even a clear plus at times, but I'm not comfortable spending more than a combined 9M on them.

I want to believe that the FO can find someone one better PF/SF in the draft, if they were traded for one more consistent and athletic player, even if it's not the same type.

INFORMER-93 · Post #14 » by **INFORMER-93** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:34 pm

With the cap space the Suns have and the multiple picks, I just feel the Suns are capable of bringing in better players. If we were contending, cash strapped, and just had a late first round pick, I'd be more inclined to keep them. But that's not where the Suns are, and it just seems like the Morris Twins are needlessly taking up roster spots that could go to better, more talented, and/or useful players.

Ring_Wanted · Post #15 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:44 pm

I've basically made my mind up too, and think that they should be shopped in a multiple for one type of deal. A right deal, of course, but shopped nevertheless. And under no circumstance I think Marcus is starter material.

bigfoot · Post #16 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 11:49 pm

I couldn't imagine a GM that would take on an individual Morri knowing they want to play together. Disgruntled brothers is what will happen if they get separated. That's a big risk to take on Kief if he can't keep up his recent level of play without his brother by his side. Just that worry should immediately bring down the value of their contracts.

Extend Kief in the summer for $4.5M and Marcus for $1.5M. Then you have the $6M man for four years.

Post #17 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:01 am

I've always failed to see how Marcus is the more talented brother. They basically have the same skillset but Kieff is taller.

Anyway, I think the Morri needs to realise that they are in the perfect situation right now. How many front offices would be willing to go out and trade assets to reunite two brothers, then give both the coach's confidence and decent playing time? The Morri should be more than willing to take less than their market value if they want to stay together because the fact is, I don't think there will be a dramatic drop in production if we kept just Kieff for his full market value and not sign Marcus.

Sunsdeuce · Post #18 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:14 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I've always failed to see how Marcus is the more talented brother. They basically have the same skillset but Kieff is taller.

Anyway, I think the Morri needs to realise that they are in the perfect situation right now. How many front offices would be willing to go out and trade assets to reunite two brothers, then give both the coach's confidence and decent playing time? The Morri should be more than willing to take less than their market value if they want to stay together because the fact is, I don't think there will be a dramatic drop in production if we kept just Kieff for his full market value and not sign Marcus.

I like the way you think.

INFORMER-93 · Post #19 » by **INFORMER-93** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:07 am

bigfoot wrote:Extend Kief in the summer for $4.5M and Marcus for $1.5M. Then you have the $6M man for four years.

You're not getting Marcus for that low. He'll get a deal starting around $2.5-3 mil a year.

Ring_Wanted · Post #20 » by **Ring_Wanted** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:33 am

That amount sounds about right. It is basically deep rotation money, and that's what Marcus looks like as a player. His brother will command more, but I'd hate it if he was signed to more than 5M per.

I don't want to get strangled cap wise with MLE type deals on players who could be replaced with draftees or free agent vets.

Kieff is a nice spark off the bench, and Marcus has been solid and at times we've really benefited from his play from the elbow, but really, I think we could be equally competent with say a Darrell Arthur and a rookie SF, which will probably come discernibly cheaper overall, once those rookie scale contracts run out.

Still, considering how this year is going, I wouldn't complain at all if they finished the season with the Suns, but if that's the case, they would be the prime candidates to be moved at the draft.