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College Basketball is a Farce

There I said it.

I really cannot connect with it, at all. They probably should and will unionize and become the official minor league of the NBA sooner than later. The only reason I even watch it is to see what kind of talent might be available in the draft for our Phoenix Suns.

The crap that goes on in Kentucky is not basketball. Calapari is not a great coach. The championship goes to the team with the most money to spend and the most exposure for the athletes to get to the NBA. They go to Kentucky so they can get drafted not to earn a degree or play for the history of that university. It is just crap. Kentucky is not the only one. Why in the world does Coach K earn 9 Mil per year at Duke. I thought he was an educator. I am not against teachers being paid well but I doubt that the chemistry teachers at Duke 9 Mil per year. On top of that I really do not think he that good of a coach. When you get the best players in the country to come play for you a lot of guys could do just as well.

The celebration by the Kentucky team and their fans after todays win just does nothing for me. It is like fighting a war with mercenaries. How can you cheer for players you really do not know and will leave you in the off season for another gig? Five Freshmen starters, give me a break. How many of those guys will go in the first round this summer? Hell, I can see why Goodwin left for the NBA. He would have had trouble getting off the bench in Kentucky this year. Not a problem for Kentucky because they will reload in the off season and start the process again.

This is not new news but it is getting mighty old and Kentucky does not have a monopoly on the process in todays college basketball.

I have and will continue to prefer the NBA. There are no hidden agendas. Every team is basically on equal footing to acquire talent. Obviously the bigger markets have an advantage but not nearly as much as the Kentucky's and the Duke's have in College Basketball.

I expect a lot of you love College basketball and enjoy the hell out of it, so be it. I just don't.

I am done - The end.

College basketball is declining and it really has nothing to do with college basketball. Programs are doing the best they can with the farce that is AAU basketball and the stupid draft rules of the NBA. I do think Calipari is an excellent coach who has had success at 3 different schools and his best results come in March/April.

Back before the rules changed coach K and Duke were a juggernaut. Now he's taking guys that would've gone straight to the NBA out of HS and treat college as a pit stop. Once the NBA goes back to the old ways or creates something better (2 & done) college basketball will be a better product.

I think the best idea is letting kids go to the NBA out of HS, but if they go to college it should be a 2 year limit. That way you filter out the guys who just want to go to class for 5 months and bolt.

College sports are overrated in general. I have no idea why either college basketball or college football are as popular as they are. If you can watch the pros play the game, why would you watch the amateurs? Sloppy, poorly executed, inefficient garbage play where shooting 40% from the field is like, an accomplishment.

That's not to say I don't enjoy the tournament though---but that's about all I watch.

BurningHeart wrote:College sports are overrated in general. I have no idea why either college basketball or college football are as popular as they are. If you can watch the pros play the game, why would you watch the amateurs? Sloppy, poorly executed, inefficient garbage play where shooting 40% from the field is like, an accomplishment.

That's not to say I don't enjoy the tournament though---but that's about all I watch.

I had these same debate years ago but started to realize the magnitude of college to pros.
Obviously pros is better talent wise but the "effort" level is the main difference.

In college the effort is consistent.In the NFL,NBA you see some bogus effort put in...
Tanking, players taking nights off what do they got to lose they getting paid. To many professional athletes settle down once they get paid.

College is more appealing to the young adults while the older citizens watch the pros.

I am not american, and have lived in the US for 2 years only, but my theory is that the tipical US citizen changes his living place every 3 years or so in average, and has less relation to the city he lives in (and take note that several NBA teams switched their hometown in the past) than to the college he attended. Take in consideration that usually in college you have some of the greatest experiences of your youth (or life) and I can see why people have such a close relationship to their schools and therefore college sports.

While I do not agree with this topic, I can say college players are becoming very greedy. Reason I say that, they are fighting to get "paid" and get a free education. Most Americans can't afford an education. In fact the average college student is $30,000 in debt with student loans.

I recently got into a twitter war with Eddie Johnson, who by the way I really enjoy listening to during suns games. Basically he wants student athletes to get paid. He mainly wants the football and basketball players to get paid as well as the scholarship. This is where I got angry with him. I tried to make him see how the student athletes are already getting paid with a free very expensive college education. He didn't want to hear it. He argued that it was to hArd to practice for long hours then get off and try and do school work. I tried to tell him, there are millions of students right now that have multiple jobs after class just to pay for their college bill. Again he didn't want to hear it.

My point is if these athletes don't want a free education than dont accept it and stay home. Otherwise, shut up and don't act like you deserve to get paid because you don't. You are getting paid, like 120,000 in free money for college. If that's not good enough than go to Europe. People are so ungrateful nowadays.

isn't the main problem the fact that universities get a s h i t l o a d of money from their teams, but none of it gets to the students?

SiMan wrote:isn't the main problem the fact that universities get a s h i t l o a d of money from their teams, but none of it gets to the students?

[img]http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/]

May I ask did you go to college? If so, did pay for ur college or did u get a scholarship?

I did not have money for college so I had to join the armed forces to get money which I used to attend college. I recently completed my degree which without the help from my gi bill, I would not have been able to do. I am grateful that I could get college. I calculated how much I would have spent if I did have help to pay for college. It came up to about $75,000. That to me is getting paid. I'm not asking for more money.

Also want to point out:
7.myth: College sports are a cash cow. The bottom line: only a very few schools make money off sports and even then, it is only big-time football that generates real money.
http://myownstormypetrelwords.wordpress ... education/
Or
Athletics
Myth: College Sports Are a Cash Cow
http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/M ... -Cow2.aspx

MathiasPW wrote:I am not american, and have lived in the US for 2 years only, but my theory is that the tipical US citizen changes his living place every 3 years or so in average, and has less relation to the city he lives in (and take note that several NBA teams switched their hometown in the past) than to the college he attended. Take in consideration that usually in college you have some of the greatest experiences of your youth (or life) and I can see why people have such a close relationship to their schools and therefore college sports.

That's pretty fair analysis of a few Americans. However, many become die hard fans before big moves from state to state. That's the main reason the fans that go to Suns games that root for the opposing team, actually live in AZ, but stay loyal to their team.

I was born in NY and my dad was always a fan of NY teams, so I grew up watching the Yankees and the Giants. My dad didn't watch a lot if hockey, so I didn't follow his Rangers, I went with the Islanders. My dad rarely watched basketball, so while I liked the Nets back in the old days when Doc was on them, I never followed NY basketball. So we moved to AZ when I was seven, and I met Paul Westphal at a Kerr's sporting goods store opening, and became a Suns fan. Since AZ, I have lived in Cali, and now Minny, but I will always be a Suns fan. I wear Suns gear almost every day, in whatever city I live in or visit, and the other sports are NY based teams, and haven't changed since 1975.

I went to ASU, and anything they are involved in, I root for them, but they usually aren't a good basketball team, so it's tough to watch a game. Now the NBA stays fairly regular, and players often stay in the cities that drafted them for around three to four years, so I guess it is easier to follow, and root for them, because one knows the players better.

The one and done thing if college basketball is pretty tough to see the turnover.

Sunsdeuce wrote:

SiMan wrote:isn't the main problem the fact that universities get a s h i t l o a d of money from their teams, but none of it gets to the students?

[img]http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/]

May I ask did you go to college? If so, did pay for ur college or did u get a scholarship?

I did not have money for college so I had to join the armed forces to get money which I used to attend college. I recently completed my degree which without the help from my gi bill, I would not have been able to do. I am grateful that I could get college. I calculated how much I would have spent if I did have help to pay for college. It came up to about $75,000. That to me is getting paid. I'm not asking for more money.

Also want to point out:
7.myth: College sports are a cash cow. The bottom line: only a very few schools make money off sports and even then, it is only big-time football that generates real money.
http://myownstormypetrelwords.wordpress ... education/
Or
Athletics
Myth: College Sports Are a Cash Cow
http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/M ... -Cow2.aspx

damn, a rough story sir and I tip my hat to you, congrats on your graduation


i currently go to university yes, but i'm from europe, and in my country there are fortunately no tuitions

SiMan wrote:

Sunsdeuce wrote:

SiMan wrote:isn't the main problem the fact that universities get a s h i t l o a d of money from their teams, but none of it gets to the students?

[img]http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/]

May I ask did you go to college? If so, did pay for ur college or did u get a scholarship?

I did not have money for college so I had to join the armed forces to get money which I used to attend college. I recently completed my degree which without the help from my gi bill, I would not have been able to do. I am grateful that I could get college. I calculated how much I would have spent if I did have help to pay for college. It came up to about $75,000. That to me is getting paid. I'm not asking for more money.

Also want to point out:
7.myth: College sports are a cash cow. The bottom line: only a very few schools make money off sports and even then, it is only big-time football that generates real money.
http://myownstormypetrelwords.wordpress ... education/
Or
Athletics
Myth: College Sports Are a Cash Cow
http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/M ... -Cow2.aspx

damn, a rough story sir and I tip my hat to you, congrats on your graduation


i currently go to university yes, but i'm from europe, and in my country there are fortunately no tuitions

Really, tuitions are free? I am very jealous. That's the way it should be here. How far are u from graduating? Congrads to you too!
Europeans do a lot of things in a smarter fashioned way than we do in the states.

On top of that I have to start saving money for my kids for when they go to college or else they will be at the recruiters office signing up. Lol

Sunsdeuce wrote:

SiMan wrote:

Sunsdeuce wrote:Really, tuitions are free? I am very jealous. That's the way it should be here. How far are u from graduating? Congrads to you too!
Europeans do a lot of things in a smarter fashioned way than we do in the states.

On top of that I have to start saving money for my kids for when they go to college or else they will be at the recruiters office signing up. Lol

I'm in the final year of my MA (history )

And don't get me wrong, there are tuitions, but everyone gets 2 free shots, if you blow them, then you pay (you can try sociology, if you fail, you can try something else (or repeat sociology and try not to fail the 2nd time))

SiMan wrote:

Sunsdeuce wrote:

SiMan wrote:

I'm in the final year of my MA (history )

And don't get me wrong, there are tuitions, but everyone gets 2 free shots, if you blow them, then you pay (you can try sociology, if you fail, you can try something else (or repeat sociology and try not to fail the 2nd time))

That's good stuff. Keep up the good work. I would be interested to compare US history books to European history books. History is really just an individuals view point.

"istory is really just an individuals view point"

some of it, sure, but not really

SiMan wrote:"istory is really just an individuals view point"

some of it, sure, but not really

First I have to add that not in all European countries tuition is free (unfortunately). at least not for all. But even then, the money requirements are considerably less than in US. Also the fact, that degree is available to most people doesn't make life easier as a whole. Not everyone can have a highly paid job.

History really does differ depending on who wrote it. There are less arguments about the ancient history, but more recent history often has very different interpretations depending on the country you're in. Try comparing for example Polish history books with Russian ones.

History is written by the winners. we rarely get to know the point of view of the losing side.

Getting back to the topic - I prefer college hoops just because of the intensity and emotion. NBA has turned from a competition into a show (more often circus show with their acrobats (players) and thier clowns (refs)). The perception is that you go to the game to watch the show not a competition. You might as well choose the theater or concert or go to the zoo. That's what Stern and the league has been trying to achieve in the last decade and i'd say they've been pretty successful. College hoops has a lot more passion in it, especially March.