Official Trade Thread: The Block Is Hot!!

[Kerrsed]

Continued from: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1364034&start=1980#p42484648

Lets argue about some trade ideas!!!

[RaisingArizona]

1st

[thamadkant]

I'm torn on Dragic...

I seriously think there is a big chance he leaves this off-season.
Combination of money, role and overall direction of the team, I mean Knicks and Lakers can put together a contender if he joins either teams due to their cap space and allure of big market, plus he gets max money and number 1 point guard job.

Hornacek is just doing the "micro" bits for the team, but McD is doing the "macro" bits, so you cant blame Hornacek trying to win and focusing on the ready players now. McD's "collect assets" and wait for a trade might of worked back a few years ago, but these days, there isnt really a superstar or two they can nab to create a championship team. They tried in the off-season but did not eventuate.. plan B seems to be simply collect more assets and hope the youth gets read in a few years.

[bwgood77]

I'm torn on Dragic...

I seriously think there is a big chance he leaves this off-season.
Combination of money, role and overall direction of the team, I mean Knicks and Lakers can put together a contender if he joins either teams due to their cap space and allure of big market, plus he gets max money and number 1 point guard job.

Hornacek is just doing the "micro" bits for the team, but McD is doing the "macro" bits, so you cant blame Hornacek trying to win and focusing on the ready players now. McD's "collect assets" and wait for a trade might of worked back a few years ago, but these days, there isnt really a superstar or two they can nab to create a championship team. They tried in the off-season but did not eventuate.. plan B seems to be simply collect more assets and hope the youth gets read in a few years.

I really don't think he will leave if we deal IT. If we don't, I'd say there is a 50/50 chance. NY or LA will not be contenders though. First of all there are not any other major free agents that they can sign, and their plan appears to be to reserve cap space for 2016. LA MIGHT be able to get Love but I doubt it if Cleveland pulls it together.

Now if Dragic goes to the Knicks and they draft Okafor they could definitely be a playoff team next year and maybe a contender in 2-3 years. LA could get Dragic and Okafor but they'd still be hard pressed to break into the top 10 in the west.

I honestly hope IT gets dealt, even if it is for nothing, or even a benchwarmer, because I just really feel like chemistry would skyrocket if that was the case.

[Kerrsed]

I'm torn on Dragic...

I seriously think there is a big chance he leaves this off-season.
Combination of money, role and overall direction of the team, I mean Knicks and Lakers can put together a contender if he joins either teams due to their cap space and allure of big market, plus he gets max money and number 1 point guard job.

Hornacek is just doing the "micro" bits for the team, but McD is doing the "macro" bits, so you cant blame Hornacek trying to win and focusing on the ready players now. McD's "collect assets" and wait for a trade might of worked back a few years ago, but these days, there isnt really a superstar or two they can nab to create a championship team. They tried in the off-season but did not eventuate.. plan B seems to be simply collect more assets and hope the youth gets read in a few years.

I think he ends up in NY. The have the money and the need. Sure, he isnt the flashy player that they are used to having in NY, but thats why it would work out for them so well. He gives them subsistence over style, something they have lacked for a long time. Dragic would be in the Big Apple. The place all foreigners know. NY has one of the highest populations of Slovaks in the country, only behind Pennsylvania and Ohio. If they could snag him in FA along with Tobias Harris, they would have a nice core set (With Melo still playing PF). All they would need is a good SG and someone halfway decent playing C, which i would assume they could get via trade.

Only thing that would suck about Dragic and NY is that we really couldnt make a trade with them this year. I mean sure, we could technically make a trade, but they really dont have anyone that i would want on the Suns besides Melo, and if they were to trade for Dragic, im sure they would want to keep Melo right where he is.

Hell, one idea that would be great for them is to call Orlando up. The Magic have already talked about getting out of Frye's contract, and they are still saddled with Ben Gordon on their bench, i would offer them up this deal:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mgscyz5

Knicks get Frye/Harris/Gordon
Magic get Bargnani/Aldrich

Orland gets a nice salary dump (Frye and Gordon), and also pick up a decent big man to play some back-up C. They lose Harris, but i honestly dont see them keeping him, and dont forget that they do have young Moe Harkless and Aaron Gordon still at SF! This trade would free up a lot of salary for them.

It gets the Knicks a good PF/C in Frye (Someone Knicks fans loved when they drafted him), the rights to re-sign Harris, and Gordon who would be a decent back-up SG or even start. Then in FA go after Dragic and Monroe, while being able to go over the cap to re-sign Harris.

Dragic/Calderon
Gordon/HardawayJr
Harris/Acy
Melo/Early
Monroe/Frye

Add in a few Veteran Minimum Contracts and they would have a decent team and a nice mini-rebuild!

/END OF REBUILDING THE KNICKS POST

[AtheJ415]

I'm torn on Dragic...

I seriously think there is a big chance he leaves this off-season.
Combination of money, role and overall direction of the team, I mean Knicks and Lakers can put together a contender if he joins either teams due to their cap space and allure of big market, plus he gets max money and number 1 point guard job.

Hornacek is just doing the "micro" bits for the team, but McD is doing the "macro" bits, so you cant blame Hornacek trying to win and focusing on the ready players now. McD's "collect assets" and wait for a trade might of worked back a few years ago, but these days, there isnt really a superstar or two they can nab to create a championship team. They tried in the off-season but did not eventuate.. plan B seems to be simply collect more assets and hope the youth gets read in a few years.

I don't think there's any way LAL makes the playoffs even with Dragic. Kobe, Dragic, and crap (might need to include Kobe in that given current play) won't make it out of the west. And LAL can't afford 2 maxes. Might be able to afford a guy like Deng on top but even then the West is brutal.

NYC maybe, if they could get Harris and Dragic they make it in the East. Not a true contender though because they aren't a real contender for a title.

I keep Goran. I also keep Thomas despite how many hate the lineups. The advanced stats don't lie. It is working. We're an 8 seed b/c we're weak elsewhere and the west is brutal. But I move our mid-level salaries and picks or youngsters for a difference maker at the 3. That's the gaping hole.

I judge this trade deadline by one criterium ultimately--moving Green without underselling him. I don't want Green on this team in the remainder of the 2nd half, and he isn't re-signing with us next year b/c someone will give him the MLE.

[AtheJ415]

I just don't see how both Detroit and Orlando let both Monroe and Harris walk. I know Harris wants to be in NYC, but I have a hard time believing they'd let him go for nothing. I think a good sign and trade is a possibility for most teams, but NYC has absolutely nothing anyone in the league would want, so S&T is pretty much off the table for them.

[Flying Colors]

when is the trade deadline?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Every time I see the word "Monroe" in a trade proposal, I imagine the poster is 12.

[MathiasPW]

Dragic wants to contend, not make money. Any other team would have to create a team surrounding Dragic that is clearly better (not just as good as) than the Suns. I don't see that easily happening with the Knicks or Lakers.

The Suns are 1 or maybe 2 pieces (+ another season of experience) away of creating a contender. NY and LAL are like...10 or 11 pieces away, each.

[m1chal]

NY has one of the highest populations of Slovaks in the country, only

I don't want to be rude or anything but there's a significant difference between Slovakia and Slovenia, just like between Austria and Australia.

[3rdside]

I'm torn on Dragic...

I seriously think there is a big chance he leaves this off-season.
Combination of money, role and overall direction of the team, I mean Knicks and Lakers can put together a contender if he joins either teams due to their cap space and allure of big market, plus he gets max money and number 1 point guard job.

Hornacek is just doing the "micro" bits for the team, but McD is doing the "macro" bits, so you cant blame Hornacek trying to win and focusing on the ready players now. McD's "collect assets" and wait for a trade might of worked back a few years ago, but these days, there isnt really a superstar or two they can nab to create a championship team. They tried in the off-season but did not eventuate.. plan B seems to be simply collect more assets and hope the youth gets read in a few years.

I don't think there's any way LAL makes the playoffs even with Dragic. Kobe, Dragic, and crap (might need to include Kobe in that given current play) won't make it out of the west. And LAL can't afford 2 maxes. Might be able to afford a guy like Deng on top but even then the West is brutal.

NYC maybe, if they could get Harris and Dragic they make it in the East. Not a true contender though because they aren't a real contender for a title.

I keep Goran. I also keep Thomas despite how many hate the lineups. The advanced stats don't lie. It is working. We're an 8 seed b/c we're weak elsewhere and the west is brutal. But I move our mid-level salaries and picks or youngsters for a difference maker at the 3. That's the gaping hole.

I judge this trade deadline by one criterium ultimately--moving Green without underselling him. I don't want Green on this team in the remainder of the 2nd half, and he isn't re-signing with us next year b/c someone will give him the MLE.

What do the advanced stats say; that we're good with the hydra? You gotta link?


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[Kerrsed]

NY has one of the highest populations of Slovaks in the country, only

I don't want to be rude or anything but there's a significant difference between Slovakia and Slovenia, just like between Austria and Australia.

I Googled "Slovenian population in USA" and clicked the 1st link, which was Wikipedia. I didnt realize that it took me to the wrong place (Slovak Population).

Anyways, now that i have been corrected and re-looked it up, NY has the highest population of Slovenians, followed up by Pennsylvania and then Ohio. Same 3 as i listed before, but in a different order. Dont know what eastern European based people find interesting about Ohio, but it seems to be listed as highly populated for a lot of them.

[Kerrsed]

Dragic wants to contend, not make money. Any other team would have to create a team surrounding Dragic that is clearly better (not just as good as) than the Suns. I don't see that easily happening with the Knicks or Lakers.

The Suns are 1 or maybe 2 pieces (+ another season of experience) away of creating a contender. NY and LAL are like...10 or 11 pieces away, each.

Dragic wants to contend AND make money. You are correct, the Suns are just 1 or 2 pieces away (with those 1 or 2 pieces being a superstar) from contending, but a Knick team with Dragic and Melo is also just 1 or 2 pieces away from contending in the East as well, but they already have a superstar (locked up long term).

[BobbieL]

A few things going back to the end of the other thread:

Kerrsed - thanks for the insider information on the Morris twins. I am not surprised they are on the block. Some nights they are good, some nights they are not. When they aren't scoring, they don't give much else. Kind of like Green and IT - which is why I want all four guys gone. The Morri are tough to deal - because the team taking them is essentially taking on 13m of contract for two playuers who make $6m. Plus, they are a package deal

The Ibaka trade - loved it.

As for the team - something needs to happen and I really think it starts with the four names I mentioned above. The Suns need some basketball IQ on this team and not just four guys who when scoring are good - but when they aren't, they don't bring anything.

Len, Bledsoe to me are keepers but everybody else, open for business. I like Dragic and think he is very good - butfor the right player, I move him. But if Ryan can move the other four first, I start there.

[TASTIC]

Who says no to this deal:

Suns get
Mirotic
Hinrich

Bulls get
Thomas
Plumlee

Hinrich is a FAR better defender than Thomas and is also a lot cheaper, plus he wouldn't command/expect 30 mins a night. This allows Dragic and Bledsoe to have the ball more in their hands as well as getting some time for Ennis to get PT. Also would ease some of Dragic's concerns in FA as he knows he'd be PG 1b rather than 1c (or SG) as it seems right now.

Mirotic is going to be a beast, soon. He just needs minutes and he would be ideal off the bench this season and with an eye to starting him at PF next year. Already a better rebounder and shot-blocker than Kieff, plus it allows Kieff and Mook to destroy second units with Green, Wright and one of Bled/Dragic.

Bulls get a legit scorer off the bench that they can rely on, as Brooks and Hinrich are both too patchy. Also frees up more minutes for Thibs' boys Noah and Gibson. I just can't see them dealing either of those two while expecting Thibs to stay. They're going to have to pay Butler next year...this doesn't really solve that I guess!

Incidentally, if I'm the Suns I would throw a max at Butler - imagine him at SF, he'd be amazing!!

[NotTraxxe]

The Suns current preference is not to trade Dragic as I've stated earlier and took a little heat for via a funny bit of pictures (this is a change from their previous position) and they have not been willing to include him in offers at the moment.

There was a locker room altercation involving one the Twins. I don't know the details other than this is the second time it has happened (once during practice and one after a game). The team feels like Tucker and a few other players are feeding off their negativity. They were really happy when they got their extensions; we told them we wanted them to become leaders of the "youth movement" and that has backfired on us.

Anyway, we will trade them if we can get good value but we are not going to dump them for the sake of doing so. Bledsoe, Len, Dragic, and Tucker are pretty darn safe at the moment. I don't know why we don't want to trade Tucker. But we don't.

That said we will make any move if the price is right. McD is not an idiot.

[batsmasher]

Wowowowow Traxxe you always bring us the juicy stuff.

OPERATION TRADE MORRII. COMMENCE.

[NotTraxxe]

Keep in mind locker room and practice altercations and squabbles are not a big deal. They happen quite a bit. The Suns reporters won't report this unless the 'teat' of the organization be denied their thirsty mouths.

I haven't heard anything about Houston.

We are talking with a team. But I can't comment. And probably shouldn't have stated that. I'll probably get a butt chewing for mentioning what I did earlier.

Call me Codeman. LOL. (No, I'm not)

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[Kerrsed]

The Plot Thickens!