If you could take any five Suns in history on one team, who would you take?

Post #1 » by **bwgood77** » Sun May 10, 2015 6:08 am

I think I would take KJ, Davis, Marion, Barkley and Amare.

It's a tough decision for me because half of me wants to leave Barkley out. He and KJ didn't have good chemisty....him and Nash wouldn't have either. KJ ran the perfect offense but when Barkley showed up, he stopped the offense, and he would have done the same with Nash, so chemistry in this question is important.

When KJ and Barkley did so well it was almost like two individual players....if they had great chemistry they would have been unstoppable. If they would have anything close to the Nash/Amare relationship, they would have won championships...zero doubt in my mind.

KJ was so much better in his prime than most people think.

Revived · Post #2 » by **Revived** » Sun May 10, 2015 7:43 am

Nash, Bell, Marion, Barkley, Amare...

Needless to say, defense optional :lol:

Saberestar · Post #3 » by **Saberestar** » Sun May 10, 2015 1:03 pm

Nash
Hornacek
Grant Hill
Marion
STAT

m1chal · Post #4 » by **m1chal** » Mon May 11, 2015 6:55 pm

KJ, Joe Johnson, Marion, Barkley, Amare

Post #5 » by **ATTL** » Mon May 11, 2015 8:43 pm

Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Amare

I think the shooting Nash provides would be invaluable with the added emphasis of the three in recent years. I love KJ and he would work very well on different versions of the 5-man unit that have more shooters.
Joe, great size, strength, shooting, and perimeter defense. Dude had ice in his veins as a last second shooter and would really have helped in those last second situations.
Marion-great rebounding and defense, prime Marion was a much better version than Draymond Green and would help cover some of Amare's rebounding on this team. Average shooter.
Barkley-best pf in team history, rebounding and scoring and iso situations would be great. Poor defense.
Amare-best finisher in team history, one of the best pick and roll men of all time. Nash-Amare and barkley-amare pick and rolls would be amazing. Poor defense, average rebounding.

Post #6 » by **bwgood77** » Mon May 11, 2015 8:58 pm

ATTL wrote:Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Amare

I think the shooting Nash provides would be invaluable with the added emphasis of the three in recent years. I love KJ and he would work very well on different versions of the 5-man unit that have more shooters.
Joe, great size, strength, shooting, and perimeter defense. Dude had ice in his veins as a last second shooter and would really have helped in those last second situations.
Marion-great rebounding and defense, prime Marion was a much better version than Draymond Green and would help cover some of Amare's rebounding on this team. Average shooter.
Barkley-best pf in team history, rebounding and scoring and iso situations would be great. Poor defense.
Amare-best finisher in team history, one of the best pick and roll men of all time. Nash-Amare and barkley-amare pick and rolls would be amazing. Poor defense, average rebounding.

That's a good point. As much as I love having a bunch of good long range shooters, my lineup wouldn't really help with that. I suppose if I had to have KJ, I should probably go with Hornacek or JJ at the 2. Another problem with these lineups might be rim protection. But I don't know that we really have anyone good enough to throw in for that. Alvan Adams was only 6'9 and not a great shot blocker. Great passer though.

I was just looking at Adam's career, and it's pretty amazing his best year was his rookie year. He had a PER of 21.7 as a rookie. That's crazy good. Just for comparison purposes I also pulled up Anthony Davis' PER as a rookie. Also 21.7. LeBron 18.3 KJ's first year as a starter (2nd year) 20.5

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... sal01.html

RaisingArizona · Post #7 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:28 pm

I tried to pick different combinations than I've seen listed here.

Ex Suns' players in their prime:

Penny Hardaway
Dan Majerle
Charles Barkley
Amare Stoudemire
Shaquille O'Neil

jeff2020 · Post #8 » by **jeff2020** » Wed May 13, 2015 7:01 pm

Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Stat

Wanted to put kj but hard to leave off the back to back mvp

jeff2020 · Post #9 » by **jeff2020** » Wed May 13, 2015 7:34 pm

Might be fun to have about 5 players at each position listed and assign a point total to each player where you can only total so many points to make up your starting 5 or even add a spot for 6th man?

Post #10 » by **bwgood77** » Wed May 13, 2015 8:41 pm

jeff2020 wrote:Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Stat

Wanted to put kj but hard to leave off the back to back mvp

Would have also been hard to be a b2b mvp had Magic and Jordan been in the league.

Post #11 » by **bwgood77** » Wed May 13, 2015 8:42 pm

jeff2020 wrote:Might be fun to have about 5 players at each position listed and assign a point total to each player where you can only total so many points to make up your starting 5 or even add a spot for 6th man?

They did this somewhere...suns.com or somewhere else so everyone was posting their 5 or 6 on facebook I believe which linked to the article.

jeff2020 · Post #12 » by **jeff2020** » Thu May 14, 2015 1:51 am

bwgood77 wrote:
jeff2020 wrote:Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Stat

Wanted to put kj but hard to leave off the back to back mvp

Would have also been hard to be a b2b mvp had Magic and Jordan been in the league.

Winning back to back mvps in any era is an incredible accomplishment. There have only been 10 players in NBA history to win back to back mvps so Nash is in historic company. Also 2 players won back to back mvps in magics era. Moses Malone and Larry bird. So let's not downplay back to back mvps because of eras.

Post #13 » by **bwgood77** » Thu May 14, 2015 2:19 am

jeff2020 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
jeff2020 wrote:Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Stat

Wanted to put kj but hard to leave off the back to back mvp

Would have also been hard to be a b2b mvp had Magic and Jordan been in the league.

Winning back to back mvps in any era is an incredible accomplishment. There have only been 10 players in NBA history to win back to back mvps so Nash is in historic company. Also 2 players won back to back mvps in magics era. Moses Malone and Larry bird. So let's not downplay back to back mvps because of eras.

Oh, no doubt. I was just watching this video the other night and came across the comment on the youtube video by a guy named Joe Kidd....check out his comment after the video. My point was more that sometimes in different eras guys get marginalized because of having to play at times some of the best players of all time played...otherwise I think KJ might be remembered differently.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrFEd-g0hA[/youtube]

If you don't click on the youtube video to take you there, I can copy and paste Joe Kidd's comment here.

jeff2020 · Post #14 » by **jeff2020** » Thu May 14, 2015 2:39 am

bwgood77 wrote:
jeff2020 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Would have also been hard to be a b2b mvp had Magic and Jordan been in the league.

Winning back to back mvps in any era is an incredible accomplishment. There have only been 10 players in NBA history to win back to back mvps so Nash is in historic company. Also 2 players won back to back mvps in magics era. Moses Malone and Larry bird. So let's not downplay back to back mvps because of eras.

Oh, no doubt. I was just watching this video the other night and came across the comment on the youtube video by a guy named Joe Kidd....check out his comment after the video. My point was more that sometimes in different eras guys get marginalized because of having to play at times some of the best players of all time played...otherwise I think KJ might be remembered differently.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrFEd-g0hA[/youtube]

If you don't click on the youtube video to take you there, I can copy and paste Joe Kidd's comment here.

Oh yeah I agree 100% he is one of the most underrated players of all time. I know all about his stats. It's a shame he isn't even given a sniff for the hall of fame

Kyler Murray · Post #15 » by **Kyler Murray** » Fri May 15, 2015 1:58 am

Nash, KJ, Kidd, Hardaway, Stat. since we like our PGs so much.

irish22022 · Post #16 » by **irish22022** » Fri May 15, 2015 7:45 am

Guess I'm the only one who remembers how frustrating stat was as a center.

This is fun to think about, but if you think too much it gets frustrating. Barkley wouldn't be as successful at 4 in this NBA. Do we get players in their prime or how they were on the suns?

Prime players for current NBA

Kidd
Joe Johnson
Barkley
Frye
Shaq

Yes. I put Frye in that lineup. He and Barkley would be so interchangeable though it'd be impossible for every run down the floor. Hill is likely the best player in prime that was on the suns ever, but in this particular lineup, we'd need a stretch player. Hill and shaq on a team doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

pidi · Post #17 » by **pidi** » Fri May 15, 2015 9:39 am

Oh i would take:

Jason Kidd
Rex Chapman
Joe Johnson
Charles Barkley
Hot Rod John Williams

backed up by:

Kevin Johnson
Penny Hardaway
Grant Hill
Danny Manning
Tom Chambers

nevetsov · Post #18 » by **nevetsov** » Sat May 16, 2015 4:12 pm

Nash+
Tony Delk
Cedric Ceballos
Rodney Rogers
Amare

No D required! Must have scored 50 in a game to qualify (outside of the playmaker of course)

GMATCallahan · Post #19 » by **GMATCallahan** » Sat May 16, 2015 4:31 pm

jeff2020 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
jeff2020 wrote:Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Stat

Wanted to put kj but hard to leave off the back to back mvp

Would have also been hard to be a b2b mvp had Magic and Jordan been in the league.

Winning back to back mvps in any era is an incredible accomplishment. There have only been 10 players in NBA history to win back to back mvps so Nash is in historic company. Also 2 players won back to back mvps in magics era. Moses Malone and Larry bird.So let's not downplay back to back mvps because of eras.

They also led teams to championships and multiple NBA Finals apiece ...

Also, Moses Malone did not receive MVP Awards while Jordan was playing (bwgood was referring to the combination of Magic and Jordan), and Jordan had just entered the NBA while Bird was receiving the award.

GMATCallahan · Post #20 » by **GMATCallahan** » Sat May 16, 2015 4:34 pm

ATTL wrote:Nash
Joe Johnson
Marion
Barkley
Amare

I think the shooting Nash provides would be invaluable with the added emphasis of the three in recent years. I love KJ and he would work very well on different versions of the 5-man unit that have more shooters.
Joe, great size, strength, shooting, and perimeter defense. Dude had ice in his veins as a last second shooter and would really have helped in those last second situations.
Marion-great rebounding and defense, prime Marion was a much better version than Draymond Green and would help cover some of Amare's rebounding on this team. Average shooter.
Barkley-best pf in team history, rebounding and scoring and iso situations would be great. Poor defense.
Amare-best finisher in team history, one of the best pick and roll men of all time. Nash-Amare and barkley-amare pick and rolls would be amazing. Poor defense, average rebounding.

Barkley-Stoudemire pick-and-rolls?

I don't see that ...