Most Over rated

[Puff]

Might be a fun thread until we get something worthwhile to talk about via the draft or free agency.

Here are a couple of mine.

Head Coach - Tom Thibodeau - I just don't get the love for this guy. Certainly he is not the worst coach in the league but far too many think of him as the messiah. I would not hire him to coach my team. He was a great assistant but I think he falls short as a head coach. At some point your team must score. The Bulls are not fun to watch at all.

Player - Chris Paul - other than the last game this year against the Spurs, he has been spotty at best in big games. In spite of this he is considered one of the best point guards of all time. He is far too small for my liking an does not seem like a good teammate. I read somewhere that he really is not that well liked in the Clipper locker room. Steve Nash would average 15 assists per night with Griffin and Jordan up front. Like Thibodeau he is not horrible but I would not want him on my team.

[DirtyDez]

I know the CP3 hate is strong right now but he averaged 50/40/90 this postseason and had his fair share of clutch moments. Problem with the Clippers is they have maybe 6 NBA players on their team.

[Puff]

I know the CP3 hate is strong right now but he averaged 50/40/90 this postseason and had his fair share of clutch moments. Problem with the Clippers is they have maybe 6 NBA players on their team.

His numbers are HOF good. The media loves him. I just do not his on court attitude. He seems to be constantly pushing off to get his shot or doing anything possible to get fouled and consistently gets away with it. I know Hardin and plenty of others do the same thing but I just don't like whoever does it. It also is true that the Clips supporting class is pretty bad. Redick, Barnes and Crawford have been quality shooters in their careers but took a dump against the Rockets. Doc's son also came back to earth after the 4th game. However, I would take Jordan and Griffin on my team every day of the week. I saw some stat during the Memphis/Golden State series showing how bad the Grizzles were from the 3 point line. It appears that if you cannot spread the floor you have no chance in todays NBA. I remember when D'Antoni was criticized for having his teams in Phoenix, New York and Los Angeles shoot a lot of 3 pointers. Now if you cannot make 3 pointers you do not make the playoffs in most cases. I expect that the Clippers will be active in free agency and will try to shore up this weakness.

[Sunsdeuce]

Might be a fun thread until we get something worthwhile to talk about via the draft or free agency.

Here are a couple of mine.

Head Coach - Tom Thibodeau - I just don't get the love for this guy. Certainly he is not the worst coach in the league but far too many think of him as the messiah. I would not hire him to coach my team. He was a great assistant but I think he falls short as a head coach. At some point your team must score. The Bulls are not fun to watch at all.

Player - Chris Paul - other than the last game this year against the Spurs, he has been spotty at best in big games. In spite of this he is considered one of the best point guards of all time. He is far too small for my liking an does not seem like a good teammate. I read somewhere that he really is not that well liked in the Clipper locker room. Steve Nash would average 15 assists per night with Griffin and Jordan up front. Like Thibodeau he is not horrible but I would not want him on my team.

Completely Agree on Tom Thibodeau. If you look at championship teams they always have a great balance on both offense an defense. Coaches that only focus on one thing rarely/if ever win championships. Tom to me is the proto typical assistant coach. I would add Doc Rivers to here too. Doc won a championship with a team full of veteran hungrey All-stars. Team practically coached its self much like the Heat teams with Erik Spoelstra.
My LIst:
1) Doc Rivers
1a) Thibodeau
1b) Erik Spoelstra

Player: Tony Parker, without tim duncan there is no tony parker. Had Parker been drafted by the bucks, Hawks, etc no one would have heard of him. Duncan is just that good, makes players around him look so much better.


BTW, where is our offseason discussion thread? The universal thread to talk everything Kerrsed use to make.

[RunDogGun]

I don't really like CP3, so I don't know if it's my disliking, or him being thought of as overrated. I like Thibs, but I can see the assistant over head coach argument.

Who I think are over rated: almost all the the guys that got the minimax this past offseason. On this board and others, I think Draymond Green is over rated. Decent role player? Totally! But not worth $15 million.

Overall, I think the league is over rated. We have bad refs, and too many games one team is allowed to be over aggressive, and catering to star players is still terrible. Now a days, if you don't have the hype, you don't get the calls. To me, it seems that popularity still trumps skill. Shooting in the league is not as good as I would expect.

[bwgood77]

I agree with SunsDeuce on all three of those coaches. I think Thibs is an excellent defensive coach. I think Doc and Spoelstra had all star teams that many would have done well with. They haven't looked so good at times either....Spoelstra certainly didn't have Miami looking too good this year despite having Bosh and Wade most of the year.

I'll have to give players a little more thought.

[thamadkant]

Chris Paul is an under achiever for sure...

But talent wise, he is one of up there with the very best.

He doesnt do anything "wrong" on the court, he can be a better leader but he is a better leader than Steph Curry and other star PGs out there.

The problem with Clippers is that they are trying to be balanced when they arent... had they adopted a full-on uptempo team that blow teams out of the game by half time they will be more successful. They have the offense.. CP3, Griffin, Reddick, Crawford etc.

The problem is, they "slow" the game down on a lot of their plays.

They need to play like the Warriors, who run and move the ball as fast as possible and get those open shots.

Stats show they are a very good offensive team already, but I think they could push Warriors out of the top place if they go-all out offense... Rivers is not the right coach for that direction.

[Qwigglez]

I think Teague is somewhat overrated. He is underpaid but he wouldn't even sniff the all-star team in the Western Conference.
Tony Parker is definitely overrated.
Dwayne Wade is overrated. He relies too heavily on getting the call the past three years, and it's annoying. When he made the playoffs his rookie year (I think) I was a huge fan, but now he plays politics in basketball and I get frustrated watching him. Especially in the Finals last year.

[dmastro32]

My most overrated coach would be Byron Scott and Scott Brooks. With Scott everyone was thinking his style of play would translate to coaching and it doesn't because the league is different. He usually has a decent defense but his offense's always seem to go stagnant, including in New Orleans and at Cleveland where he had talent. With Scotty Brooks I think he was not demanding enough so the team tuned him out. It seemed like you could create an unstoppable offense with Durant and Westbrook and all he did was say get them the ball and move.

Most Overrated player is Blake Griffin or Carmelo Anthony. Carmelo is only an offensive player and his team's never get very far. With Blake I feel that if the team played more through CP3 they would be better. Blake just gives you a lot of awww moments on both ends of the floor, so everyone loves him. Plus his free throws are still not good enough for a star that gets a lot of calls.

[Cutter]

Chris Paul is an under achiever for sure...

But talent wise, he is one of up there with the very best.

He doesnt do anything "wrong" on the court, he can be a better leader but he is a better leader than Steph Curry and other star PGs out there.

The problem with Clippers is that they are trying to be balanced when they arent... had they adopted a full-on uptempo team that blow teams out of the game by half time they will be more successful. They have the offense.. CP3, Griffin, Reddick, Crawford etc.

The problem is, they "slow" the game down on a lot of their plays.

They need to play like the Warriors, who run and move the ball as fast as possible and get those open shots.

Stats show they are a very good offensive team already, but I think they could push Warriors out of the top place if they go-all out offense... Rivers is not the right coach for that direction.

Mike D'Antoni as the Clippers coach would be ideal for them. Wide open SSOOL style of play would fit the Clippers players and talent level. Hire a defensive assistant and count the championship trophies.