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When will Booker hit 8,000 career points?

5th season
20
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6th season
12
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7th season
4
11%
 
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1401 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:36 pm

ATTL wrote:I'm not sure who I'd prefer taking Booker's shots on last years team, especially with bledsoe sitting out.

So much this. Watch the beginning of that 70 point game in Boston. No one on the team could hit anything. We were in a 20 point hole basically to start the game. Only when Booker took it upon himself to start shooting more did we start to try and claw our way back into it.

Everyone needs to improve on their shooting percentages or we need to find easier buckets. I have no problem with Booker taking the amount of shots he takes. He's usually pretty good about making the right pass when it's there. We just need more people cutting other than TJ. Hopefully Josh helps with that.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1402 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:43 pm

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ATTL wrote:I'm not sure who I'd prefer taking Booker's shots on last years team, especially with bledsoe sitting out.

So much this. Watch the beginning of that 70 point game in Boston. No one on the team could hit anything. We were in a 20 point hole basically to start the game. Only when Booker took it upon himself to start shooting more did we start to try and claw our way back into it.

Everyone needs to improve on their shooting percentages or we need to find easier buckets. I have no problem with Booker taking the amount of shots he takes. He's usually pretty good about making the right pass when it's there. We just need more people cutting other than TJ. Hopefully Josh helps with that.


He was just really inconsistent. The turf toe stretch was bad but his first three games without Bledsoe before that 70 point game were an awful stretch as well.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201703150PHO.html 23% on very heavy volume

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201703150PHO.html 23% on decent volume

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201703210MIA.html 25% on fairly heavy volume

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201703230BRK.html 34.6% on low volume

After that he finished off pretty well down the stretch. So he really just had a streaky year. I expect him to improve.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1403 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:58 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:You seem to be the chief whiner here... dont try to turn it around like some are bad fans for commenting on fact/obvious.... Booker either needs to shoot better or take fewer, better shots.... isn't that how you improve shooting %%?


Dare anyone diss the 'Favorite Son' .... blasphemy. oh my....
Diss those who deserve to be dissed. A 2nd year 20 year old......as if he is a finished product? slow your roll.

You used a negative label on Booker "Sir-Chuck-A-Lot." That's not good. But you go ahead and spin it buddy. Placing negative terms to describe, IMO, a good player that we are damn fortunate to have, is counter-productive.

We know what the 20 yr old needs to do, and I expect that to come with age and better players. I hear about is deficiencies ad nausem, and Guess what? the season is over; So, to talk about what he needs to improve on in a negative manner when he can't until next season, is growing tired and old. That's what is known as whining or complaining. To place a negative label on the best thing this franchise has had going for it in some time, is just plain weak and miserable.


You first turned the conversation about people needing to hit their shots as a way to back Booker getting more assists. I just simply pointed out he missed more shots than anyone. So in relation, everyone else's assists would improve more so. Maybe you shouldn't turn a conversation one way if you're just to complain about the result.


Lol!!! Too much. You were talking about Booker's lack of assists not the team. It change to Booker because I pointed out (rundog too) one reason why, then you changed it to his shooting percent and the lack of the team's assist as a whole....smh....

Just the fact you decided to go after his shooting percent when I made a point about his lack of assist looks to me like you just wanted to go after him.

You could have just said, "yea, if the team shot better his assist total would be higher." However that makes sense, so for me to expect that is lunacy on my part.

But whatever
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1404 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:43 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:You seem to be the chief whiner here... dont try to turn it around like some are bad fans for commenting on fact/obvious.... Booker either needs to shoot better or take fewer, better shots.... isn't that how you improve shooting %%?


Dare anyone diss the 'Favorite Son' .... blasphemy. oh my....
Diss those who deserve to be dissed. A 2nd year 20 year old......as if he is a finished product? slow your roll.

You used a negative label on Booker "Sir-Chuck-A-Lot." That's not good. But you go ahead and spin it buddy. Placing negative terms to describe, IMO, a good player that we are damn fortunate to have, is counter-productive.

We know what the 20 yr old needs to do, and I expect that to come with age and better players. I hear about is deficiencies ad nausem, and Guess what? the season is over; So, to talk about what he needs to improve on in a negative manner when he can't until next season, is growing tired and old. That's what is known as whining or complaining. To place a negative label on the best thing this franchise has had going for it in some time, is just plain weak and miserable.


Counterproductive to what ??? Your happy reading? You are full of it dude. Just deal with it. Not everyone sleeps in purple/orange underwear. Booker has been anointed, leave it at that. The spin says he is our next all star. He has been awarded the title of 'Face' . We get all that. That doesn't change his stats. The dude had the greenest of greens last year... largely due to the lack of talent around him.... due to the lack of any offensive system to play in... so be it. He has the propensity to shoot shoot and shoot. Dare I say chuck ? whoopteedo. Nobody is doubting his role, nor his talent. I doubt we see a regression in those efficiency stats.

BTW.... you are exaggerating the level of criticism ... ad nauseum ??? really ? Who is complaining... who is whining ?.... You my sensitive friend.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1405 » by thamadkant » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:20 pm

Booker had plenty of games where he looked like 35 year old Kobe.... Dont deny it. Thats annoying.



People here just saying he needs to be smarter... Develop good habits now rather than later. Plenty of players to copy in regards to good shots... And no... Steph Curry and Klay aint it.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1406 » by MrMiyagi » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:32 pm

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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1408 » by MrMiyagi » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:46 pm

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1409 » by TOO » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:51 pm

All I can see there is that Booker is a terrible defender.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1410 » by MrMiyagi » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:01 pm

TOO wrote:All I can see there is that Booker is a terrible defender.

Yes, because whether Booker is a defensive stalwart is what is being argued around here. Let's overlook the fact that his offense after two seasons is eerily similar to a top 3 scorer in NBA history.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1411 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:02 pm

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JMac1 wrote: Diss those who deserve to be dissed. A 2nd year 20 year old......as if he is a finished product? slow your roll.

You used a negative label on Booker "Sir-Chuck-A-Lot." That's not good. But you go ahead and spin it buddy. Placing negative terms to describe, IMO, a good player that we are damn fortunate to have, is counter-productive.

We know what the 20 yr old needs to do, and I expect that to come with age and better players. I hear about is deficiencies ad nausem, and Guess what? the season is over; So, to talk about what he needs to improve on in a negative manner when he can't until next season, is growing tired and old. That's what is known as whining or complaining. To place a negative label on the best thing this franchise has had going for it in some time, is just plain weak and miserable.


You first turned the conversation about people needing to hit their shots as a way to back Booker getting more assists. I just simply pointed out he missed more shots than anyone. So in relation, everyone else's assists would improve more so. Maybe you shouldn't turn a conversation one way if you're just to complain about the result.


Lol!!! Too much. You were talking about Booker's lack of assists not the team. It change to Booker because I pointed out (rundog too) one reason why, then you changed it to his shooting percent and the lack of the team's assist as a whole....smh....

Just the fact you decided to go after his shooting percent when I made a point about his lack of assist looks to me like you just wanted to go after him.

You could have just said, "yea, if the team shot better his assist total would be higher." However that makes sense, so for me to expect that is lunacy on my part.

But whatever


I won't go so much as to say it was lunacy on your part. But you did say what you just said I could have said.. "yea, if the team shot better his assist total would be higher"...I was just stating that goes for everyone...and don't blame the team shooting poorly impacting his assistss when he is the biggest culprit of shooting poorly. I'm talking facts, and just pointing out the fallacy there.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1412 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:08 pm

MrMiyagi wrote: Let's overlook the fact that his offense after two seasons is eerily similar to a top 3 scorer in NBA history.


That certainly hasn't been overlooked, as pointed out here... viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1394999&p=53867182#p53866180
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1413 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:10 pm



That looks good, though as GMAT pointed out..

GMATCallahan wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I kind of hate making premature comparisons, but found the similarities pretty crazy...here are some of the highlights of this article

by Christian Sihombing at ValleyoftheSuns.com

http://valleyofthesuns.com/2017/03/27/comparison-devin-booker-vs-kobe-bryant/


Well, as I have pointed out in the past, Kobe Bryant spent his first two seasons coming off the bench for a 55-60-win Laker team behind a young All-Star shooting guard in Eddie Jones and with a mid-twenties Shaquille O'Neal at center. In 1998, Bryant's second season, Los Angeles reached the Western Conference Finals.

I do not believe that Booker would have gone for 70 on that team ...
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1414 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:12 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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bwgood77 wrote:
You first turned the conversation about people needing to hit their shots as a way to back Booker getting more assists. I just simply pointed out he missed more shots than anyone. So in relation, everyone else's assists would improve more so. Maybe you shouldn't turn a conversation one way if you're just to complain about the result.


Lol!!! Too much. You were talking about Booker's lack of assists not the team. It change to Booker because I pointed out (rundog too) one reason why, then you changed it to his shooting percent and the lack of the team's assist as a whole....smh....

Just the fact you decided to go after his shooting percent when I made a point about his lack of assist looks to me like you just wanted to go after him.

You could have just said, "yea, if the team shot better his assist total would be higher." However that makes sense, so for me to expect that is lunacy on my part.

But whatever


I won't go so much as to say it was lunacy on your part. But you did say what you just said I could have said.. "yea, if the team shot better his assist total would be higher"...I was just stating that goes for everyone...and don't blame the team shooting poorly impacting his assistss when he is the biggest culprit of shooting poorly. I'm talking facts, and just pointing out the fallacy there.


Smh...again. Poor shooting effects assists, you and your stats should know that. It had been said that Booker moved the ball pretty well, so, why is his asst. number low? Well probably because people don't shoot or can't shoot. You say forget that and Booker shooting hurts others assist, however you still won't say they hurt Bookers.... whatever. I'm not going to try to get you to understand having better shooters would up your assist average. If I have to do that now, I'd be wasting my time, just as I am going over and over this topic.

But you always have to have the last word, so go ahead and tell me why our non shooting team does not hurt Bookers asst. numbers by saying Booker shooting percentage is low.....so don't blame our shooters. Crazy!!!
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1415 » by TOO » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:32 pm

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TOO wrote:All I can see there is that Booker is a terrible defender.

Yes, because whether Booker is a defensive stalwart is what is being argued around here. Let's overlook the fact that his offense after two seasons is eerily similar to a top 3 scorer in NBA history.


It's just stats. I don't care about them, until he starts stopping people, he is just another 1 way player. Big deal.
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Post#1416 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:34 pm

JMac1 wrote:
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Lol!!! Too much. You were talking about Booker's lack of assists not the team. It change to Booker because I pointed out (rundog too) one reason why, then you changed it to his shooting percent and the lack of the team's assist as a whole....smh....

Just the fact you decided to go after his shooting percent when I made a point about his lack of assist looks to me like you just wanted to go after him.

You could have just said, "yea, if the team shot better his assist total would be higher." However that makes sense, so for me to expect that is lunacy on my part.

But whatever


I won't go so much as to say it was lunacy on your part. But you did say what you just said I could have said.. "yea, if the team shot better his assist total would be higher"...I was just stating that goes for everyone...and don't blame the team shooting poorly impacting his assistss when he is the biggest culprit of shooting poorly. I'm talking facts, and just pointing out the fallacy there.


Smh...again. Poor shooting effects assists, you and your stats should know that. It had been said that Booker moved the ball pretty well, so, why is his asst. number low? Well probably because people don't shoot or can't shoot. You say forget that and Booker shooting hurts others assist, however you still won't say they hurt Bookers.... whatever. I'm not going to try to get you to understand having better shooters would up your assist average. If I have to do that now, I'd be wasting my time, just as I am going over and over this topic.

But you always have to have the last word, so go ahead and tell me why our non shooting team does not hurt Bookers asst. numbers by saying Booker shooting percentage is low.....so don't blame our shooters. Crazy!!!


Of course I understand that poor shooting hurts Booker's assists. That's why I said his poor shooting even hurts other's assists more since his fg% is the lowest of those that played a lot of minutes. There is also the fact that he shoots a lot.

We were talking about the people on the team who passed the ball. You can't just apply your rule to one player. If you apply the rule to all others on the team, it helps other players even more so than Booker, given his volume and poor shooting. That should be fairly clear.
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1417 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:10 pm

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RunDogGun wrote:Tough to use his shot number, when he was really our only shooter for most of the year last year, right? His assists for April was 5.6/gm. Overall, I think he has moved the ball when he wasn't the only option. Two of the three 9 assist games came late in the season, when he was playing with all the young guys.

I totally agree that he is young and will improve, as I think he is following coach's orders about shooting, and will hopefully choose more wisely on when and where to shoot. It will also help if we get our guards to not waste so much of the shot clock.

Edit: I'd love to add Nash to our coaching staff to work with Booker on both shot selection, and getting the ball into guys' hands at the right time.


He passed A LOT more when he played with Ulis. Probably because he knew he was more likely to get the ball back. He really struggled shooting his first few games with Ulis but shooting like 23% in the first two then 35% or something before his big breakout record game. No, he wasn't really our only shooter. We had quite a few of them until the end of the year when so many people sat. Regardless, ast to shot is an important thing to look at when assessing how much he shares the ball vs shooting..and we would have had more people shooting if he had shared even more, but it's not worth haggling over since I know you like to haggle over minor things. But shot selection is one of the things he could improve upon which would likely help his percentages and if he moved the ball when it's not a great shot, it would help him and the team in the long run.


I would really appreciate it if you didn't make things personal, especially when you are doing exactly what you are charging me with. My point is Booker is a willing passer, and the ball movement would be good with him in the group listed. You can agree, disagree, or go off on a minor point I didn't make like you did, and then claim I'm the one haggling on a minor point. :roll:

So, willing passer, or not?


BW...nowhere in there is there any discussion about the team assists as a whole. You are purely stating about the lack of assists from Booker.

The only statement I made was players have to make shots, so assists are a two-pronged stat......then you went all into Booker shooting percent and hurting the team's assists. This/that discussion was not about that.

But go ahead and spin my friend. Instead of saying true, because anyone and their momma would say another player's ability to shoot effects assist, you will muddle up the discussion with something that has nothing to do with the original topic.....and never quit!!!!

It's like you have a hard on for all of Booker's negatives.....even when Run said his numbers were close to Ulis, you said he only passes to Ulis because he knows he is going to give it back....did you ask Devin that?!! Or are you assuming that?

Weak...smh
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Re: Devin Booker 

Post#1418 » by JMac1 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:14 pm

Btw. You brough up the teams passing predicated on Booker's lack there of. The discussion wasn't about the Phoenix Suns and how we pass the ball
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Re: Draft Talk Aftermath 

Post#1419 » by MrMiyagi » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:37 pm

TOO wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
TOO wrote:All I can see there is that Booker is a terrible defender.

Yes, because whether Booker is a defensive stalwart is what is being argued around here. Let's overlook the fact that his offense after two seasons is eerily similar to a top 3 scorer in NBA history.


It's just stats. I don't care about them, until he starts stopping people, he is just another 1 way player. Big deal.

Another guy who had "just stats"
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nashst01.html
"Just another 1 way player. Big deal."
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Post#1420 » by NTB » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:40 pm

TOO wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
TOO wrote:All I can see there is that Booker is a terrible defender.

Yes, because whether Booker is a defensive stalwart is what is being argued around here. Let's overlook the fact that his offense after two seasons is eerily similar to a top 3 scorer in NBA history.


It's just stats. I don't care about them, until he starts stopping people, he is just another 1 way player. Big deal.


Lol what kind of logic is this?
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