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When he first took over he traded silver into gold.
Dudley for Bledsoe
Scola and fillers for 1st,Plumlee,Green.
Drafted Len, Goodwin.

2nd offseason
Signed IT
Drafted Warren, Ennis, Bogdanovic.

Later in the season Ennis was traded along with Thomas and Bogdanovic is overseas and probably will stay.
Also gave away the Lakers Pick. Gave a pick(asset) away for a rental in Wright.


3rd Offseason
Drafts Booker, Harrison.
Trades Harrison to Memphis for a filler.


I don't know I just see a lot of wasteful moves. Mainly all the assets.

Rather the lack thereof. More like improvising on the fly, swindling trinkets in hopes of turning water into wine in his unsuccessful attempt at impersonating Jesus. As a result constructing( or rather accumulating) an unstable roster of expendable moving parts that he hopes will provide a cohesive glue to whatever franchise centerpiece he is deluded enough to believe he will acquire in the near future. Although one must also consider the coaching staff/personnel clueless in player development as well as a meddling and incompetent owner in Sarver( although really now that McDuh calling all the shots as the head exec of basketball operations he has taken over the Babbler's job as the resident slimeball/mouthpiece for the FO establishment)

Holy crap ... why do either of you even waste your time being a fan?

The vision is easy! We are going to gain as many Wildcats as possible, fire Coach Horny, then try to get Coach Calipari away from Kentucky! Easy Peasy!

NaturalBuns wrote:When he first took over he traded silver into gold.
Dudley for Bledsoe
Scola and fillers for 1st,Plumlee,Green.
Drafted Len, Goodwin.

2nd offseason
Signed IT
Drafted Warren, Ennis, Bogdanovic.

Later in the season Ennis was traded along with Thomas and Bogdanovic is overseas and probably will stay.
Also gave away the Lakers Pick. Gave a pick(asset) away for a rental in Wright.


3rd Offseason
Drafts Booker, Harrison.
Trades Harrison to Memphis for a filler.


I don't know I just see a lot of wasteful moves. Mainly all the assets.

How are they wasteful if you started off your entire paragraph with "turned silver into gold". I don't think its the easiest thing in the world to get assets from a steaming pile of crap.
Players that we thought were going to help us turn the team around have ended up being a burden going into his 2nd year (mobro's, pj tucker). Is that his fault?
Yes, there has been some lateral movement but for the most part he has done a great job.

I think Alex, Devin and T.J. were all great picks, it's easy to sit back and say WELLL WE PASSED ON SO AND SO but the fact is we still got some solid players. How long has danny ainge been rebuilding the celtics now? He has assets and not much else to show.

The Minny pick for Wright was a steal for us. Minny will have to get out of the bottom twelve for the Celtics to get that pick, and then it turns into to second rounders. And we have no idea if it's a rental yet, FA period hasn't even started.

The LA pick is questionable. Overall, I think it was weighed as not as good as the prospect of locking up Knight before FA gets very costly. Plus didn't we get another first in return?

We also got two first rounders for a disgruntled Goran.

So far, I think he has done much better than many of the GMs we have had for at least a decade.

RunDogGun wrote:The Minny pick for Wright was a steal for us. Minny will have to get out of the bottom twelve for the Celtics to get that pick, and then it turns into to second rounders. And we have no idea if it's a rental yet, FA period hasn't even started.

The LA pick is questionable. Overall, I think it was weighed as not as good as the prospect of locking up Knight before FA gets very costly. Plus didn't we get another first in return?

We also got two first rounders for a disgruntled Goran.

So far, I think he has done much better than many of the GMs we have had for at least a decade.

See what happens when people put their thinking caps on. Nice summary RDog. If LA gets Aldridge or Love then McD hit another home run swapping the LA pick for Knight.

McD is probably being black listed by GMs for trades because he seems to only win trades. If Dragic doesn't re up with Heat that's another huge win for McD... The Thomas, Ennis, Lakers pick for Knight looked terrible at the deadline but NOW? With lakers looking like they will re-load heavily, Ennis not getting much burn.... The trade evens out when it seemed like the Suns got ripped previously.

Other GMs maybe are sceptical pulling the trigger with trades with McD.
Especially West teams... Wondering if they are helping him reduce their own teams playoff chances.

I believed in McD 100%...
But with the latest draft... I have a little doubt now.
Yes, the Suns need sharp shooting... But from a 18 year old? He won't be a factor until he is 20... WHICH I am fine with.

But I heard McD and Hornacek is pressured by Sarver to make the playoffs....
So why didn't he drafted a more ready player now and signed a dead eye shooter instead?

I know it's just the start of the free agency period... And things might fall into places by start of the season... But the suns are competing with hungry, desperate teams with better assets....

Is McD hoping for a miracle? Hoping Knight becomes Arenas? Len become Bogut?

Kerrsed wrote:The vision is easy! We are going to gain as many Wildcats as possible, fire Coach Horny, then try to get Coach Calipari away from Kentucky! Easy Peasy!

He's making about $7M to $8M coaching the Wildcats for the next seven years. You think Sarver would pay Calipari $10M per year?

bigfoot wrote:

Kerrsed wrote:The vision is easy! We are going to gain as many Wildcats as possible, fire Coach Horny, then try to get Coach Calipari away from Kentucky! Easy Peasy!

He's making about $7M to $8M coaching the Wildcats for the next seven years. You think Sarver would pay Calipari $10M per year?

Obvious trolling not so obvious?

saintEscaton wrote:

bigfoot wrote:

Kerrsed wrote:The vision is easy! We are going to gain as many Wildcats as possible, fire Coach Horny, then try to get Coach Calipari away from Kentucky! Easy Peasy!

He's making about $7M to $8M coaching the Wildcats for the next seven years. You think Sarver would pay Calipari $10M per year?

Obvious trolling not so obvious?

Actually Calipari has coached in the NBA for the Nets. Would he come back? I'm sure he would if the price is right. Would certainly be a feather in the cap for any NBA team that could afford him.

Here is some stuff I wrote in another thread which I think addresses this. Again its just an opinion, but looking at the moves from last all star break to now (consider this a second rebuild from all star on). Note I originally said Tobias Harris at SF, but I think him going towards a max contract makes that part void.


--I am hoping Suns can develop a blueprint to turn into this year's Golden State , aka SSOL with defense. Change the culture back to team ball. Get or develop a PG that is a floor general.

Within 2 years I think this will be what the Suns should be looking at (assuming these players don't bust).

C: Len (Bogut lite)?
PF: ? All star
SF: Warren (Harrison Barnes lite) or Tobias Harris
SG: Booker (Klay Thompson lite)
PG: Knight or ? All Star
Bench: Goodwin as 6th man, Bullock as 3&D, and Brandon Wright as backup PF-C. Aquire backup PG and vet leadership

-That means the Suns need to unload Bledsoe, Tucker, and Morris twins for someone or something (picks) reasonable in return (not a firesale). I still see someone like Bledsoe ending up on the Knicks as he seems to be a better fit for a triangle (assuming he keeps shooting steady from 3), so hopefully make a deal for him.
-Not sold on Knight yet as a floor general, but if he works on his ability to run an offense and finds his deep touch again, hopefully a Steph Curry lite. Resign him and see what he can do. If he can only score and occasionally set up an offense, send him off, as whatever he signs for, should be a good value over the next few years.
-That leaves PF, hoping can set themselves up for someone like Ben Simmons out of LSU or a FA. They need an allstar at PF and PG. This will be the hardest part acquiring or drafting an all star type player. That's why they have to use Bledsoe, Kieff, Heat draft picks to help position themselves for that.

I love how last offseason, everyone thought we were like one piece away from a contender (trade all of the draft picks for Boogie! Melo! LMA! THE BROW!). One year later, we have a terrible and directionless roster with no hope. Between then and now, we've lost Goran Dragic, Channing Fry and Miles Plumlee and added TJ Warren, Brandon Knight (and maybe Wright) and Devin Booker. We got YOUNGER, not older. People need to calm down.

And I don't buy that Booker won't be a factor until 2 years from now. Gerald Green will be gone so there should be minutes for the guard positions. Booker or Archie will fight for those minutes, and Booker has a bankable skill, but Archie has gotten better since we drafted him.

I'm pretty excited for this season.

sunsbum wrote:How are they wasteful if you started off your entire paragraph with "turned silver into gold". I don't think its the easiest thing in the world to get assets from a steaming pile of crap.
Players that we thought were going to help us turn the team around have ended up being a burden going into his 2nd year (mobro's, pj tucker). Is that his fault?
Yes, there has been some lateral movement but for the most part he has done a great job.

I think Alex, Devin and T.J. were all great picks, it's easy to sit back and say WELLL WE PASSED ON SO AND SO but the fact is we still got some solid players. How long has danny ainge been rebuilding the celtics now? He has assets and not much else to show.

Spot on.

1UPZ wrote:McD is probably being black listed by GMs for trades because he seems to only win trades.

I seriously doubt there is one GM in the league who thinks "Man I don't want to trade with McD, because I know he will fleece me." These guys all have huge egos. That's why we see far fewer deals than people expect. People want to hold their ground. I bet so many deals are so close but guys won't budge for that little more and they just can't come to the middle.

MrMiyagi wrote:I love how last offseason, everyone thought we were like one piece away from a contender (trade all of the draft picks for Boogie! Melo! LMA! THE BROW!). One year later, we have a terrible and directionless roster with no hope. Between then and now, we've lost Goran Dragic, Channing Fry and Miles Plumlee and added TJ Warren, Brandon Knight (and maybe Wright) and Devin Booker. We got YOUNGER, not older. People need to calm down.

And I don't buy that Booker won't be a factor until 2 years from now. Gerald Green will be gone so there should be minutes for the guard positions. Booker or Archie will fight for those minutes, and Booker has a bankable skill, but Archie has gotten better since we drafted him.

I'm pretty excited for this season.

Me too. It's amazing when you type it out like that....and think about it...

Would people here trade, even in hindsight

Dragic, Frye and Plumlee for Warren, Knight, Booker and possibly Wright? Now Dragic and Frye were special together, but with this west, were we really going anywhere with them? Some people have already given up on Knight who is 23 and I just posted his 23 year old comparison to Nash in the NBA....he's better at this age than Nash was and he is probably smarter....this guy will get better every year into his mid 30s imo.

bwgood77 wrote:

sunsbum wrote:How are they wasteful if you started off your entire paragraph with "turned silver into gold". I don't think its the easiest thing in the world to get assets from a steaming pile of crap.
Players that we thought were going to help us turn the team around have ended up being a burden going into his 2nd year (mobro's, pj tucker). Is that his fault?
Yes, there has been some lateral movement but for the most part he has done a great job.

I think Alex, Devin and T.J. were all great picks, it's easy to sit back and say WELLL WE PASSED ON SO AND SO but the fact is we still got some solid players. How long has danny ainge been rebuilding the celtics now? He has assets and not much else to show.

Spot on.

His picks have been very solid for the range they have been in, TJ was a steal and its a shame he didn't get more minutes last year. I am not as high as people on this forum on Archie, but I do like Booker and think he will be a contributor. I see him over Archie in the rotation for sure. His shooting is great, if he can start learning how to move without the ball he will be fantastic. I read he has good BBiq which will be very helpful.

bwgood77 wrote:

MrMiyagi wrote:I love how last offseason, everyone thought we were like one piece away from a contender (trade all of the draft picks for Boogie! Melo! LMA! THE BROW!). One year later, we have a terrible and directionless roster with no hope. Between then and now, we've lost Goran Dragic, Channing Fry and Miles Plumlee and added TJ Warren, Brandon Knight (and maybe Wright) and Devin Booker. We got YOUNGER, not older. People need to calm down.

And I don't buy that Booker won't be a factor until 2 years from now. Gerald Green will be gone so there should be minutes for the guard positions. Booker or Archie will fight for those minutes, and Booker has a bankable skill, but Archie has gotten better since we drafted him.

I'm pretty excited for this season.

Me too. It's amazing when you type it out like that....and think about it...

Would people here trade, even in hindsight

Dragic, Frye and Plumlee for Warren, Knight, Booker and possibly Wright? Now Dragic and Frye were special together, but with this west, were we really going anywhere with them? Some people have already given up on Knight who is 23 and I just posted his 23 year old comparison to Nash in the NBA....he's better at this age than Nash was and he is probably smarter....this guy will get better every year into his mid 30s imo.

McDonough had a lot of work to do. Look at OKC, Memphis, GSW - those teams sucked for a long time, SUCKED - for them to get good. It takes time. And some luck with draft picks plus GMs who renege on their word (golden state!). But Sarver firing Kerr or not signing him after the draft was about a dumb a move as he could make. To this day, Sarver should have paid Kerr like $1m for the month of July - his team, his cap, his own pocketbook would have ben much beter

But Ryan is tryingto fix both the Sarver regime and the Blanks regime. This summer is huge but I am still betting on Ryan to do right. But they need a forward that can score the ball (please Kevin Love, please) and continued improvement from other players.

MrMiyagi wrote:I love how last offseason, everyone thought we were like one piece away from a contender (trade all of the draft picks for Boogie! Melo! LMA! THE BROW!). One year later, we have a terrible and directionless roster with no hope. Between then and now, we've lost Goran Dragic, Channing Fry and Miles Plumlee and added TJ Warren, Brandon Knight (and maybe Wright) and Devin Booker. We got YOUNGER, not older. People need to calm down.

And I don't buy that Booker won't be a factor until 2 years from now. Gerald Green will be gone so there should be minutes for the guard positions. Booker or Archie will fight for those minutes, and Booker has a bankable skill, but Archie has gotten better since we drafted him.

I'm pretty excited for this season.

I agree with what you said. For me when I wrote 2 years from now, I wasn't referring to when Booker will be a factor. I was saying what the team should look like in 2 years. I agree, I think Booker will come out of the gate helping this team.

Overall I think mcd has done a good job. He inherited a pretty depressing roster from banks.

His plan got a little thrown off when the overachieved that first year. When he dealt dudely gortat and Scola the idea was they would be in the running for Wiggins, parker or embiid. Now it didn't work out that way and that year was fun. One could argue that he should have dealt away fry and Goran that trade deadline while their value was high but he would have been killed by the media and some fans for sabotaging that surprising team and by that point they had won too much already to have a good shot at a top pick.

Last summer was not a good one for him. I get why they signed IT because it was a good value contract but it just didn't work out. The biggest mistake was not trading Goran then but who knows maybe they tried and the offers sucked.

They knight trade was the biggest gamble he's made so far as a gm. Jury is still out on that until where that pick ends up and how knight progresses as a player.

I get some of you criticizing him but what realistic move should he have done? Sure it would have been great to sign LeBron but it's hardly mcds fault it didn't happen.