Tyson Chandler News and Discussion

[NTB]

First of all, I am really hyped up for this signing. I think Tyson will be huge for us. He brings so much for this team, not only from on court but also from the "intangibles" stand point.

I know some fans are considering this signing as a "meh" or "treadmilling move". So let's discuss what he will bring to table and what will be the risks.

Here are my thoughts: I'll cut the advantages into 2 sections. Mental/Intangible and On Court

ADVANTAGES

Mental/Intangible Side

1. On court veteran leadership

As McDonough and Hornacek mentioned, we needed a leader on court to tell our players where to stand and what to do. Also we need a guy who can prevent our players from giving up and have some mental errors.

2. Locker room presence
3. High character / Energy Guy
4. Mentoring Len

Tyson's addition will be really benefitial for Len IMO. Len has the tools for being a defensive anchor in this league and he will learn from one of best. Also he can learn how to roll after the pick and finish.

On Court Side

1. Rebounding

He finished last season with 11.5 rebounds per game trailing only by DeAndre, Drummond, Cousins and Pau.
He finished 3rd in offensive rebound category with 3.9 offensive rebounds per game. Only Drummond and DeAndre were ahead of him.
He finished 5th in %REB with 20.6 and 7th in %OREB with 14.1 and 7th again in %DREB with 27.1 (Game played > 50)

2. Defense

As we all know, he is not in his prime at the defensive end. But he is not far away either. Actually he might be the top 3 defensive center in Suns history if not the most.

He finished last season with 1.2 blocks per game (1.3 career bpg and 1.4 bpg in dpoy season). He is not much of a shot blocker but he defends pick and roll very well and he is quicker than most of big men.

Tyson's %DFG is 46.8 (Len's 46.2) and diff between DFG and normal FG of opponent for Chandler is -%0.3 (Len's -%0.9) *negative is good*

Also he had 3.54 DRPM and was 14th in NBA. 4.58 RPM overall (17th).

Yeah, not the biggest numbers but still, he will improve our defense. Especially when you think we had Miles Plumlee...

3. Offense

I know he is not an offensive weapon or force, but he has some good offensive skills that remains underrated.

Last season, his %FG and %eFG was both %66.8(both 2nd after DJ) and his %TS was %69.7 (2nd in NBA and only trailing by Kyle Korver!!'s 69.9)

When you look at P&R stats, Tyson Chandler's percentile is 97.7 and it's only behind Lebron's 98.2. And he is NBA leader in P&R score frequency with 71.3%. His FG% and eFG% are both 72.5% only behind DJ's 76.3%. He is 9th in shooting foul frequency with %23.1

So basically he is very good finisher and has very solid p&r offense. Bledsoe and Knight will love him.

Risks and Concerns

1. Health

Is he injury prone? : He played 920 games for 14 seaons (65 game per season). And his last 5 seasons respectively: 74, 62, 66, 55, 75. He never had a full 82 game season. (He had 80 and 79 though)

Is he healthy now? : I haven't seen any rumors that says he is unhealthy at the moment. He cares for his body and with our medical staff will definitely help him.

Tyson played 74 games in 2010-2011 season and played 75 games in last season. Do you think it is coincidence that in both seasons Tyson was playing for Dallas? Dallas has a nice medical staff as well if you don't already know.

2. Age

He will turn to 33 in training camp. Yea it seems old for a 4-year contract. But I don't think it will effect Tyson's impact. He had one of his best seasons in Dallas last season with double double averages. Dirk, Garnett, Malone, Kurt Thomas etc. played till 37-38. I don't see age as a problem for Tyson if we can keep him healthy.

So, these are my opinions guys. What are your thoughts?

[TASTIC]

I think you nailed it with his defence and his on-court leadership.

Besides PJ we don't really have that many vocal guys.

Check him out barking out defensive rotations/cheering etc. We NEED that sort player to lead the young guys...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3exhBdxrn8[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmuT3bBDzE8[/youtube]

Mentoring Len - not just vocally but showing how it's done in practice is going to be so beneficial as well.

[lilfishi22]

That vocal leadership on the defensive end is HUGE. It helps so much to have a big man behind you who can not only see everything but also call it out.

Also that mentoring angle is important too. Dragic likely wouldn't have become as good as he is if he never had that time with Steve Nash. Nash's explanation of how he sees the game really benefited Dragic and I see the same thing for Len under Chandler.

[bigfoot]

Don't forget about this. Easy buckets and dunks create energy for both the crowd and his team.

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/7/27/9054283/all-the-dunks-new-phoenix-suns-center-tyson-chandler-will-bring-fans

[thamadkant]

1 Pro comes to mind.

Now Suns can satisfy King's requirements for Cousins.... which are a package that has good veteran players, picks and prospects.
Chandler, Bledsoe, picks for Cousins + filler.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Wow, those dunks were fun.

What I noticed (apart from how bad our defence was) was that Bogut got caught several times being drawn to the driving player, and left Chandler open. That will help Bledsoe's game keeping the rim protector off him to mind Chandler.

Also Chandler shoots about 40% from outside 10 foot, on low volume. I wonder if that will be something McDonough has seen and will try to add further to his game. Most of them are from around the key area, remember Stoudamire developing that 18 footer.

[TASTIC]

1 Pro comes to mind.

Now Suns can satisfy King's requirements for Cousins.... which are a package that has good veteran players, picks and prospects.
Chandler, Bledsoe, picks for Cousins + filler.

There's no way they'd do that to Chandler. Any positive views on Phoenix as an attractive FA destination would go up in flames.

If the deal was there for Cousins, the Kings would definitely ask for Len before Chandler, surely?

[thamadkant]

1 Pro comes to mind.

Now Suns can satisfy King's requirements for Cousins.... which are a package that has good veteran players, picks and prospects.
Chandler, Bledsoe, picks for Cousins + filler.

There's no way they'd do that to Chandler. Any positive views on Phoenix as an attractive FA destination would go up in flames.

If the deal was there for Cousins, the Kings would definitely ask for Len before Chandler, surely?

Apparently Kings want a veteran back along with good players and picks.

Karl would want a level headed center who can help him make the playoffs.

If it's for Cousins, FAs around would understand why Suns would trade Chandler. If it's a salary dump, yes it would look terrible.

But Cousins is arguably the best center in the league next to Gasol.

[saintEscaton]

1 Pro comes to mind.

Now Suns can satisfy King's requirements for Cousins.... which are a package that has good veteran players, picks and prospects.
Chandler, Bledsoe, picks for Cousins + filler.

There's no way they'd do that to Chandler. Any positive views on Phoenix as an attractive FA destination would go up in flames.

If the deal was there for Cousins, the Kings would definitely ask for Len before Chandler, surely?

Apparently Kings want a veteran back along with good players and picks.

Karl would want a level headed center who can help him make the playoffs.

If it's for Cousins, FAs around would understand why Suns would trade Chandler. If it's a salary dump, yes it would look terrible.

But Cousins is arguably the best center in the league next to Gasol.

Ranadive may be a clueless owner of a dysfunctional franchise but even he would realize how stupid it would be if he were to give in to such a lowball offer when there's no rush to move Cousins who is under team control until 2018. If worst comes to worst and there's another standoffish Melo situation Randive would intervene and fire Karl s if that means he gets to keep Boogie. Vlade may or may not have turned down the Laker's package that centered around Randle ad #2 pick(that could been used to select Russell or Okafor as a replacement) since those reports were probably speculative clickbait. Anyways why would they want Tyson or Len when they just drafted WCS?

[Qwigglez]

Getting Chandler gives us a defensive presence for the ENTIRE game now. We'll either have him in or Len. Both are great shot blockers, both change shots in the paint. That's huge IMO.
I think everyone else covered the rest.

[JTrain]

Advantage: He makes us better.
Disadvantage: He makes us better (but not good enough to be relevant).

[thamadkant]

There's no way they'd do that to Chandler. Any positive views on Phoenix as an attractive FA destination would go up in flames.

If the deal was there for Cousins, the Kings would definitely ask for Len before Chandler, surely?

Apparently Kings want a veteran back along with good players and picks.

Karl would want a level headed center who can help him make the playoffs.

If it's for Cousins, FAs around would understand why Suns would trade Chandler. If it's a salary dump, yes it would look terrible.

But Cousins is arguably the best center in the league next to Gasol.

Ranadive may be a clueless owner of a dysfunctional franchise but even he would realize how stupid it would be if he were to give in to such a lowball offer when there's no rush to move Cousins who is under team control until 2018. If worst comes to worst and there's another standoffish Melo situation Randive would intervene and fire Karl s if that means he gets to keep Boogie. Vlade may or may not have turned down the Laker's package that centered around Randle ad #2 pick(that could been used to select Russell or Okafor as a replacement) since those reports were probably speculative clickbait. Anyways why would they want Tyson or Len when they just drafted WCS?

Lakers never wanted to package Randle and Pick 2 for Cousins.
And Kings didnt want just a pick 2 and duds...

Suns can offer Chandler and one of Knight / Bledsoe if need be... or Kieff and a bunch of players.

[TASTIC]

Apparently Kings want a veteran back along with good players and picks.

Karl would want a level headed center who can help him make the playoffs.

If it's for Cousins, FAs around would understand why Suns would trade Chandler. If it's a salary dump, yes it would look terrible.

But Cousins is arguably the best center in the league next to Gasol.

Ranadive may be a clueless owner of a dysfunctional franchise but even he would realize how stupid it would be if he were to give in to such a lowball offer when there's no rush to move Cousins who is under team control until 2018. If worst comes to worst and there's another standoffish Melo situation Randive would intervene and fire Karl s if that means he gets to keep Boogie. Vlade may or may not have turned down the Laker's package that centered around Randle ad #2 pick(that could been used to select Russell or Okafor as a replacement) since those reports were probably speculative clickbait. Anyways why would they want Tyson or Len when they just drafted WCS?

Lakers never wanted to package Randle and Pick 2 for Cousins.
And Kings didnt want just a pick 2 and duds...

Suns can offer Chandler and one of Knight / Bledsoe if need be... or Kieff and a bunch of players.

That still wouldn't be near enough for Boogie though...

[jcsunsfan]

Getting Chandler gives us a defensive presence for the ENTIRE game now. We'll either have him in or Len. Both are great shot blockers, both change shots in the paint. That's huge IMO.
I think everyone else covered the rest.

This is the most important thing with Chandler. The Suns were a VERY good team when Len was an effective defensive presence on the floor. Len can get alot of minutes, while Chandler can handle crunch time minutes. Its a good situation for both players.

[Phystic]

Thinking age isn't a problem is pretty foolish, Tyson has aged better than expected but he he isn't on par with a guy like Kurt Thomas. Kurt was a workhorse Tyson was injury plagued his entire career, and now that's he's getting up there in age it will really impact his game. I think we can get 2 years of solid starting caliber Tyson, and hope for two years of solid backup Tyson. He will be overpaid his final two years regardless but if Len can take over and be as impactful as we all hope then Tyson being overpaid won't be as detrimental.

[bwgood77]

His contract may seem like an overpay with the current cap, but that is meaningless now. Most all contracts inked this off season and before will be value contracts if the player doesn't have a career ending injury, because most teams will have max cap space next off season and it will be much tougher to attract players.

That is one great thing about our team. Most of it is locked in for 3-4 years, and even if some seemed like overpays, wait until the market changes next season.

We will still have max cap space and won't have a bunch of guys getting into second contracts soon looking for that huge max. Some of the younger teams will have to fork over major dollars and hit the cap to keep their guys. We are in a very good financial position going forward.

[SUN]

Yeah I'm with bwgood77. I at first was reading to put McDonough in the trash for the signing, I've warmed up to the idea of having him. Barring njury he'll be a force next year.

[jcsunsfan]

TC has made a huge difference wherever he has gone. The stats tell a story below the surface. These ranks and stats are from last year, not his best year by any means.

Offensive rebounds: 3rd (437)
Defensive rebounds: 6th (570)
Total rebounds: 4th
Rebounds per game: 5th (11.5)
True shooting pct: 2nd (.697)
Oreb pct: 6th
Dreb pct: 6th
total reb pct: 6th
Offensive rating: 1st
Offensive win shares: 11th
Win shares: 12th
Win shares per 48: 7th
Box plus/minus: 16th
Defensive box plus/minus: 19th
Value over replacement: 20th

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...header_leaders

[jcsunsfan]

Advantage: He makes us better.
Disadvantage: He makes us better (but not good enough to be relevant).

Advantage of the disadvantage. He makes us enough better to be more attractive to free agents next year. It is clearly so. Does anyone think that LMA would have given us a second look without TC in the fold? If the Suns end up a 48 win team like two years ago (not inconcievable at all) with plenty of FA money to spend, they could make an impact. All they need is one impact FA.

[jcsunsfan]

After viewing those clips, its clear to see why the Suns signed Chandler. He is a leader on and off the court. He clearly has head coach in him. I was amazed how he was even giving Melo encouragement and instructions. He is clearly a team alpha. This team needs that desperately.