What are your thoughts on Tyson Chandler?

[bwgood77]

Is he worth the money? Do you think he will help Len develop and learn the intritcacies of being successful? Do you think Tyson will help other players as well?

[DRK]

I think theres too many player threads and not enough fantasy threads.


In all seriousness, Tyson will come in and play 25-30 a night. He will be a mentor to Len and lead the entire team by example. Hes won a championship and knows what it takes to win one- and the players will respect him for that.

I really think he will be the backbone of our defence. Not just through rim protection, but being like a coach on the floor and vocal on the court, which will lift our unit defensively. Offensively he will be finishing easy dunks off rolls to the hoop.

His stats wont set the world on fire, but his impact on the game and his positive influence on the team will make him very valuable and worth the money.

[Stix]

A lot of us have wanted this guy on the team for quite a while... like 7 years. He would have been the perfect complimentary player to Amare. But we all know how those cards got dealt. He should be a great locker room guy and vet that these guys can learn from. Leadership is something we desperately needed and we got that with Chandler. He will be an essential part of how this team turns out either way, whether its to mentor the younger guys in the rebuild. Or, if they overachieve... he will be the cornerstone of a playoff team. It was a great signing and I am glad he is here.

[lilfishi22]

A lot of us have wanted this guy on the team for quite a while... like 7 years. He would have been the perfect complimentary player to Amare. But we all know how those cards got dealt. He should be a great locker room guy and vet that these guys can learn from. Leadership is something we desperately needed and we got that with Chandler. He will be an essential part of how this team turns out either way, whether its to mentor the younger guys in the rebuild. Or, if they overachieve... he will be the cornerstone of a playoff team. It was a great signing and I am glad he is here.

That would've been an amazing front court. Ultra athletic, great mix of offense and defense and a good level of attitude. But it is what it is and 7 years later, we have an older but significantly more experienced and still productive Chandler. He's going to be the missing veteran presence we badly needed and a guy who is well-respected amongst players.

Despite my initial shock about the investment in a 32 year old C with past injury concerns, I've grown to like this signing. If he stays healthy, we know what we'll get from him and it's the intangibles that will really show his value.

[Revived]

As long as he doesn't revert back to his NYK days where he stopped giving a crap after winning DPOY, this signing will be worth it.

This team was just so immature and childish that having a father figure like Chandler will help them at least behave properly. I know it sounds like I'm talking about 7 year old kids and not professional athletes making millions of dollars but if you paid attention last season then you'll know the immaturity that I'm talking about.

Hornacek's biggest excuse repeated numerous during last season was that he didn't have a veteran guy who is a vocal leader. I think he's probably the happiest one about getting a guy like Chandler.

[TASTIC]

Something people are overlooking is that despite being a bit older than you'd ideally like as your marquee signing, he rebounded at a career high rate last season.

11.5 per game in 30.5mins a night is crazy. Even if he drops to 26-28mins over the next couple years he should still be a 9-10reb guy, which is fine by me. He also knocked down his FTs at the second highest clip for his career and FGs at the second highest rate too.

The leadership angle is what I want the most, and it's definitely come through from that Suns media day and random quotes from players - the guy LEADS. I really like that we'll have a vocal defensive presence for the first time since...Kurt Thomas?

Len has much more upside as a shot-blocker and scorer than Chandler ever had and I can't wait to see him battling at practice with Chandler helping him work on his game.

We can put out a pretty strong 'end' game defensive team of:

Chandler
Len
Tucker
Weems
Bledsoe

[DRK]

I wonder if Horny and longbardi are going to incorporate more zone when Len and Chandler are together on the court? That would really work well as we have athletic perimeter guys as well as two athletic shot blockers.

Carslie used alot of zone on the 2011 Mavs championship team (where Tyson won), so maybe Tyson can help implement it into this group. The zone was probably one of the main reasons for them winning that year. LeBron and co found it really tough against it!

[Miklo]

So I'm with the camp that wanted Tyson in PHX for years and years. I also had sticker shock when I first heard about this signing, but have warmed up to it. I think the leadership/mentoring angle will be the most important. I do think that he's still a solid piece for a championship team, so in that regard I wish we'd had him when we were more in the running for a title, but with a guy like Len as a future building block I think it's well worth shelling out the money either way.

[Damkac]

I hated this signing first but after that I realised how much Suns needs a guy like Chandler. I have no doubt Suns will be better than last year and Tyson is one of the main reasons of this.

[jcsunsfan]

Leader this team has needed since Grant Hill left. That guy that just commands other player's respect. It seems the entire team is thankful for it. He is an elite rebounder, which is something this team sorely lacked.

Old. Hopefully our training staff can keep him healthy but I doubt it.

[saintEscaton]

This signing was still a hail mary/putting all your eggs in a basket attempt at luring in LMA imo . But I guess with the inevitable cap rise his contract won't make us financially hamstrung if we want to pursue another marquee FA next offseason who will only entertain us as a formality. But I don't like the fact that we were the only team to offer him a 4 year long term deal because he only has a couple of serviceable years left before he becomes deadweight

[thamadkant]

First off his contract.... 3 years would of been IDEAL... 4 years is 50/50 since he could be done in a couple of years. BUT, the cap rise helps mitigate that... and considering teams are throwing 20-30% additional money to role players (11 million for Henson, 15 million for Carroll etc.) It doesnt look "terrible"... just not ideal.



His leadership will help... but his lack of offense wont fix the Suns need of an inside scorer, but he should allow Bledsoe and Knight an outlet when they drive and hit a wall... Chandler may relieve them down low for a throw down here and there.


Also, as saintEcation mentioned... Chandler feels like a "impulse buy" in order to get Aldridge's attention, as Aldridge apparently wished he played with Chandler in the past.


Suns are still a mess in terms of proper roles at the back court... but the front court as in the "CENTER" spot... Chandler and Len will be respectable even amongst the West elites. Now just need Bledsoe and Knight to work and improvements from the youth.

[DRK]

"Lack of offence."

But Chandler was Top 3 (IIRC) in the league as a pick and roll finisher; something we sorely lacked last year.
He can finish easy baskets.

With Chandler rolling to the rim itll also help suck the defence in for open threes on the wing/corner. He will help our offence and defence inmensely. I expect alot more pick and rolls this season. Would not be surprised if every set started out with a high pick and roll on the wing/center, opening up a weakside corner three every time.

I remember in our Nash/Gortat days we ran a particular set with the intention to get a weak corner three open everytime with the roll man (Gortat) receiving the ball on the roll and kicking it to the corner as the help sunk in. (Nash/Gortat/Carter or Nash/Gortat/Rede) It was the play that got Michael Redd his first basket as a Sun.

I can see that particular set coming back this season as the D has to respect Chandlers finishes on the roll, which would leave the weakside corner open (Tucker/Knight)

It was so simple yet so effective

EDIT: It wasnt the play that got Redd his first play as a Sun, but the play Im talking about happens in this video near the start.

Skip to 0:17. Gortat's hard rolling presence commands respect from the D and opens up the weak-side corner three. Hope Chandler can do the same.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3f5yDiaWkw[/youtube]

[Qwigglez]

I like this signing a lot. He is the veteran leadership this team was sorely lacking last season. We should have a good mix of young talent and guys who know their role on a team now.

[thamadkant]

"Lack of offence."

But Chandler was Top 3 (IIRC) in the league as a pick and roll finisher; something we sorely lacked last year.
He can finish easy baskets.

With Chandler rolling to the rim itll also help suck the defence in for open threes on the wing/corner. He will help our offence and defence inmensely. I expect alot more pick and rolls this season. Would not be surprised if every set started out with a high pick and roll on the wing/center, opening up a weakside corner three every time.

I remember in our Nash/Gortat days we ran a particular set with the intention to get a weak corner three open everytime with the roll man (Gortat) receiving the ball on the roll and kicking it to the corner as the help sunk in. (Nash/Gortat/Carter or Nash/Gortat/Rede) It was the play that got Michael Redd his first basket as a Sun.

I can see that particular set coming back this season as the D has to respect Chandlers finishes on the roll, which would leave the weakside corner open (Tucker/Knight)

It was so simple yet so effective

You know exactly the meaning of lacking offense.
Chandler cannot create scoring opportunities without being setup... He is a finisher.

When good defenses shuts down the perimeter you need someone inside to be create scoring plays, if not inside... Then from mid range and those are the things he lacks.


His defense is key... But arguing that he will provide enough offense from the center spot is pushing it. He will play a similar role to what Bogut does for warriors... Minus the passing.
8 points 11 rebounds and a block is his likely numbers.

Maybe if the Suns had prime Nash, he can help Chandler put up 14+ points purely from finding him open but Suns have scoring PGs now far from Nash-era days.

[DRK]

"Lack of offence."

But Chandler was Top 3 (IIRC) in the league as a pick and roll finisher; something we sorely lacked last year.
He can finish easy baskets.

With Chandler rolling to the rim itll also help suck the defence in for open threes on the wing/corner. He will help our offence and defence inmensely. I expect alot more pick and rolls this season. Would not be surprised if every set started out with a high pick and roll on the wing/center, opening up a weakside corner three every time.

I remember in our Nash/Gortat days we ran a particular set with the intention to get a weak corner three open everytime with the roll man (Gortat) receiving the ball on the roll and kicking it to the corner as the help sunk in. (Nash/Gortat/Carter or Nash/Gortat/Rede) It was the play that got Michael Redd his first basket as a Sun.

I can see that particular set coming back this season as the D has to respect Chandlers finishes on the roll, which would leave the weakside corner open (Tucker/Knight)

It was so simple yet so effective

You know exactly the meaning of lacking offense.
Chandler cannot create scoring opportunities without being setup... He is a finisher.

When good defenses shuts down the perimeter you need someone inside to be create scoring plays, if not inside... Then from mid range and those are the things he lacks.


His defense is key... But arguing that he will provide enough offense from the center spot is pushing it. He will play a similar role to what Bogut does for warriors... Minus the passing.
8 points 11 rebounds and a block is his likely numbers.

Maybe if the Suns had prime Nash, he can help Chandler put up 14+ points purely from finding him open but Suns have scoring PGs now far from Nash-era days.

He lacks an outside shot yes. But our system does not require our center to create scring opportunities for himself. We hardly run postups for our centers. Tyson is exactly what we need, and all we need from the center spot. A guy that comes in, sets screens and rolls hard to the basket.

Rolling hard can open up other scoring opportunities for others, as I mentioned in my previous post.

[Fo-Real]

He will be the best actual SCREEN setter we have had here in like for ever. No one on our team could set a GOOD SOLID pick the last couple years. Will help the ofense flow better, makes life easier for the guards.

[NTB]

"Lack of offence."

But Chandler was Top 3 (IIRC) in the league as a pick and roll finisher; something we sorely lacked last year.
He can finish easy baskets.

With Chandler rolling to the rim itll also help suck the defence in for open threes on the wing/corner. He will help our offence and defence inmensely. I expect alot more pick and rolls this season. Would not be surprised if every set started out with a high pick and roll on the wing/center, opening up a weakside corner three every time.

I remember in our Nash/Gortat days we ran a particular set with the intention to get a weak corner three open everytime with the roll man (Gortat) receiving the ball on the roll and kicking it to the corner as the help sunk in. (Nash/Gortat/Carter or Nash/Gortat/Rede) It was the play that got Michael Redd his first basket as a Sun.

I can see that particular set coming back this season as the D has to respect Chandlers finishes on the roll, which would leave the weakside corner open (Tucker/Knight)

It was so simple yet so effective

When good defenses shuts down the perimeter you need someone inside to be create scoring plays, if not inside... Then from mid range and those are the things he lacks.

Markieff Morris.

If we trade him, then it is a different story.

[LukasBMW]

I didn't like the signing either and I too thought it was purely a hail mary to get LMA here.

But as usual, McDonough factored in a few things (strategy wise):

1. The cap rise makes the contract average.
2. We need more higher priced contracts on this team so we can match salaries in a possible future trade.
3. Even if he makes it 2 years, we can trade him in year 3 as an "expiring". So even if he is hurt in year 3 or 4, he still could be an asset in a trade for a team that needs to clear cap room.

Regarding his play and influence, much as been made of him helping Len develop and keeping Keef in check. It's also been mentioned how he can be a good influence on our youth. But the guy that might benefit the most from Chandler being around is Bledsoe. Just like Keef (may even more so) Bledoe seems to pick and choose when he plays hard. I'm hoping Chandler motivated and mentors Bledsoe. No more half assed play. No more lying on the ground. No more pouting.

Hornacek said last year that we need to get tougher. Tough meaning setting a hard pick, getting back on defense, and hustling. Chandler should help us with that.

[DRK]

"Lack of offence."

But Chandler was Top 3 (IIRC) in the league as a pick and roll finisher; something we sorely lacked last year.
He can finish easy baskets.

With Chandler rolling to the rim itll also help suck the defence in for open threes on the wing/corner. He will help our offence and defence inmensely. I expect alot more pick and rolls this season. Would not be surprised if every set started out with a high pick and roll on the wing/center, opening up a weakside corner three every time.

I remember in our Nash/Gortat days we ran a particular set with the intention to get a weak corner three open everytime with the roll man (Gortat) receiving the ball on the roll and kicking it to the corner as the help sunk in. (Nash/Gortat/Carter or Nash/Gortat/Rede) It was the play that got Michael Redd his first basket as a Sun.

I can see that particular set coming back this season as the D has to respect Chandlers finishes on the roll, which would leave the weakside corner open (Tucker/Knight)

It was so simple yet so effective

When good defenses shuts down the perimeter you need someone inside to be create scoring plays, if not inside... Then from mid range and those are the things he lacks.

But we dont need him to score from mid-range in order to be effective in our offence. We need him to finish close to the hoop and off the Pick and Roll. If the defence shuts down the Pick and roll, swing to the corner. If the D is good and the weak side is not free, Tyson can finish in traffic or draw the foul,

We have many offensive threats on the team. Tyson just being one of many.

Yes Tyson isnt very skilled, but as I stated above, our game plan is not based around having a highly skilled center. In fact he would be wasted in our offensive scheme.
Tyson is ELITE at the only thing we need out of the Center position in our offence; finishing close to the hoop and being our most dangerous Pick and Roll finishing threat we've have since Amare Stoudemire.