Trade Deadline Countdown....December 2015

[bwgood77]

How can we shuffle the chairs on the titanic? Can the season be saved? Is it worth saving? Continued from viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1412241&start=1980#start_here

[GrantHill]

Would Minnesota trade Rubio for either Bledsoe or Knight? Would you guys do this trade? In my opinion, we need a true floor general that will make our young players (Len, Warren and Booker) better. Ricky is signed to a nice long term deal and can be a bigger part to our future than either Bledsoe or Knight will be. Maybe we can throw in Markieff as well and get a guy like Kevin Martin back, who could be an asset in a trade with a contender.

Too bad we're stuck with this horrible Tyson Chandler contract. He's had zero impact on this team so far and is only declining even further. He loked like he lost a step last season with Dallas. Also people seem to forget that every team he has ever been with refused to resign him (Dallas 2-times!!) or was trading him only to get rid off him (Knicks, Hornets, Bobcats). Maybe Brooklyn will take his contract for Joe Johnsons expiring contract if we throw in some sweetners (picks, Goodwin, Morris, maybe even Knight etc.). Too bad they have Lopez at center, they really need some young talent, though.

I know these ideas will get a lot of hate here but like I've said before, these players have no heart, no winning mentality and simply don't work together.

Things are looking bad this year but let's wait until this team gets on a run the last 1/4 of the season and finish with the 13th pick again.

[bwgood77]

I've always been against Rondo as opposed to Bledsoe but at this point, having a true pass first pg is probably the thing we need...a guy that can truly make everyone else better and keep everyone happy getting the ball in the right position to succeed. I hate that he can't shoot, and he would need to have a lineup full of pure shooters that can all hit the 3, but put him there with Knight, Booker, Warren, Leuer and Len, with more shooters who can rotate, let Rubio be the only primary ballhandler, and you could more maximize the talents on the rest of the roster. I'm not even sure at this point if they would trade him straight up for Bledsoe though.

[AtheJ415]

I'll preface this by saying this team is a disaster, but I disagree with many on how to fix this. This will be long.

This is a cultural problem. I don't believe guys like Tyson Chandler came here and suddenly stopped playing defense just because our guards turn it over or because we run a 2 PG system, or because Hornacek doesn't attempt to coach defense. I don't believe Eric Bledsoe, who has been an elite defender in the past, suddenly just doesn't listen to the coach and therefore is too lazy or too much of a primadonna to defend. I'm not sure how many here have worked at a place or in a job with a bad culture, but it is very demotivating. Even super high energy performers become demotivated in these scenarios.

I think Hornacek is a coach who works best with super mature guys, which are probably mostly veterans and some super mature young players (like Hayward in Utah). He is used to a culture that Jerry Sloan instilled and managed in which this maturity and high IQ play was always there. I'm not sure Hornacek knows how to instill that here or operate in an environment where that isn't the case. He has been dealt a bad hand here, mostly because we have young guys and the vets we have are not mature (Kieff, Tucker, arguably Bledsoe), but given that, how he's handled it this season and last has been absolutely awful. I think the team has lost faith in him, and when that happens as a player it's not that you are being lazy or don't care, it's that it becomes physically and mentally more difficult to play hard and engage/execute. That's why the coach's #1 job at all times is not X's and O's and development, it's leadership and gaining buy in. I am not excusing the players' responsibility in all of this. They have been terrible. But I am saying that I don't buy that guys who have been known for effort or certain abilities for half a decade in some cases to a full decade in others just suddenly fall off a cliff this year and became immature headcases who are too low IQ to play basketball. I also think a couple of our youngsters, like Booker and Warren and Len, are much more mature than some of our vets like Tucker and Markieff, and yet Hornacek gives these vet guys every chance while limiting the younger players. How many chances does Markieff get? How many times does Tucker's hustle excuse everything else that sucks about his game when it comes to Hornacek? Say what you want, but I don't buy that Booker, Warren, and Len aren't trying hard when they make mistakes, and yet Tucker's effort excuses everything he fails at just because he's good at an area where the rest of our team sucks. That is nonsense imo.

I've seen some rail on McDonough for not properly assessing chemistry and fit, and to an extent that is a fair criticism, but the coach is in the best position to ensure the team is happy and knows their roles and what they need from each to win (to fit, so to speak). I think this is where Hornacek failed, because this type of team needs him to be the leader. He has been trying on that front, but clearly has not been succeeding. I think he's having a hard time relating to the current roster, which is needed to get through to someone. If you just repeat the same scouting reports and tell someone the same thing over and over, it won't necessarily work. People learn differently and respond differently because everyone's mental makeup is different. Coaches to an extent are psychologists. They have to know how to get through to each player, and that's not the same way to each of them.

I think Hornacek is a good coach, but I don't think he could've handled this season more poorly. I think he needs to go as a result, even though I think he has done a good job on the whole with developing our younger players' individual skills, which I'd hate to see leave a rebuilding team.

You could put the culture on Sarver and McDonough to an extent, but I don't know that Sarver is involved as much as some on here believe. I also think GM's are rarely in a position to directly influence culture (only indirectly via personnel decisions, but the evidence I see from guys like Chandler and Bledsoe suggests it's a bigger issue than that). I suppose this would depend on the GM and how much the particular GM chooses to interfere with the day to day aspects of running the team that cross into the coach's arena.

McDonough absolutely should not be fired. If Sarver does that it is a disaster imo. Look back at the past 3 years of drafts and trades and you'll see we've done as well as any team aside from probably Minnesota, who lucked into Wiggins. Even Boston, who is playing well now, in my opinion has worse young talent, but thanks to Brooklyn's awful trade years ago I would probably put them above us also because of the picks they have. There have been bumps along the way, but for a rebuilding team, a haul of Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Len, Warren, Bogdan, Leuer, Goodwin, 2 firsts from Miami, a first from Cleveland (this is the net result of all of our moves), in just 3 years is a massive one. To get these guys we gave up Scola, Dudley, Gortat, Dragic, Thomas, Ennis (not including Plumlee because we traded for him and gave him up later). We also took some free fliers on some former firsts that didn't work out. Some here may be protesting wanting those vet guys back because we'd be in the playoff fight with them, but the only ones who would have any long-term use to a real rebuild are Ennis and Thomas.

For a rebuild, you have to get talent, and McDonough has done that. Guys like Bledsoe and Knight are frustrating right now but they are unquestionably talented. I disagree with the idea that these guys can't play smart or play defense. They aren't this year. It's inexcusable, but they have in the past, so they can again. You don't give up on young talent during a rebuild. Many of the teams I see mentioned on here as "rebuilding the right way", like the 76ers, are nonsense imo. Philly, for instance, has drafted 2 high risk, injury flagged big men, with 1 who hasn't played and seems to be more interested in partying than rehabbing his injury, and the other who has only shown the ability to play on the defensive end, and whose knees some believe will give out by 30 (like the Suns Medical Staff). Utah and Phoenix have better young rosters than Philly, and it's not because they tanked better--it's because they have nailed the draft and trades more often. Teams like Minnesota and NO have more young talent than anyone probably, but they lucked into it. Both got generational players by literally winning the lottery--MN after botching the draft for years and just because they hit once on Love a number of years earlier, Lebron wanted him, and Wiggins refused to sign with LBJ's agent. So while it would be nice to win the lottery and get a generational talent, the most important thing is hitting the picks you do get.

Long story short, we can't afford to tank the year, get a high pick, and bring in a GM who misses the pick. We need the guy who has drafted Len, Warren, and Booker with the past 3 drafts to make that decision. This team isn't contending now or next year, and it won't even if we trade our ultra-talented problem children. We need the expert scout GM in this scenario.


Since this is a rebuild again, just with more talent at our disposal, dump the vets.

I'd make the Kieff trade for Jones and Brewer. Philly claims to want vets, I believe is below the minimum salary threshold, and probably secretly still wants to lose (so they want bad/mediocre vets on manageable deals), so if we throw in the Cavs first, Brewer, and Price, I think they'd take Brewer's bad deal and give us McConnell, who isn't playing as much anymore now that their guards are healthy. He's as good a player as we could get late in the first also.

I'd then shop Chandler for the best offer. Worst case scenario get expirings to lose the contract, but I'd try to get a pick. Perhaps for Noah would be feasible in a worst case scenario.

Tucker and Mirza should net 2nds from someone, although I still hold out hope that Mirza, who is playing really well, could get a heavily protected first instead or maybe an additional 2nd.

Fill out the roster with high upside D-leaguers in case you can pull a Whiteside by flukeish luck. Draft someone at the 3 (Jaylen Brown) or 4 (Cheick Diallo maybe or ideally we suck enough to get Bender), and move on from there. I really don't believe this is some epic failure and panic scenario. We are in a MUCH better position than we were 3 years ago.

Get a coach who can fix this culture and give them free reign to do so.

[AtheJ415]

Would Minnesota trade Rubio for either Bledsoe or Knight? Would you guys do this trade? In my opinion, we need a true floor general that will make our young players (Len, Warren and Booker) better. Ricky is signed to a nice long term deal and can be a bigger part to our future than either Bledsoe or Knight will be. Maybe we can throw in Markieff as well and get a guy like Kevin Martin back, who could be an asset in a trade with a contender.

Too bad we're stuck with this horrible Tyson Chandler contract. He's had zero impact on this team so far and is only declining even further. He loked like he lost a step last season with Dallas. Also people seem to forget that every team he has ever been with refused to resign him (Dallas 2-times!!) or was trading him only to get rid off him (Knicks, Hornets, Bobcats). Maybe Brooklyn will take his contract for Joe Johnsons expiring contract if we throw in some sweetners (picks, Goodwin, Morris, maybe even Knight etc.). Too bad they have Lopez at center, they really need some young talent, though.

I know these ideas will get a lot of hate here but like I've said before, these players have no heart, no winning mentality and simply don't work together.

Things are looking bad this year but let's wait until this team gets on a run the last 1/4 of the season and finish with the 13th pick again.

He's arguably the worst jump shooter ever. Spacing is every it as important as having a floor general imo. If we're going to move Bledsoe or Knight, I'd rather do it for picks and double down on youth to get even younger. I think if it's for a current, comparatively young player, it needs to be someone with Bledsoe or Knight's relative ceilings. Rubio has neither imo because he has never shown the ability to improve his jumper whatsoever. Rondo is the only guy I can think of who shoots almost as poorly as Rubio at the 1 spot, and he only won a title when surrounded by 3 first ballot HOFers. I think Bledsoe right now would very easily be able to win the title as the 4th guy on a roster. Hell, I think he could as the 2nd guy. What we're really missing is that 1st guy, which all but roughly 5 or 6 teams are missing.

I want Chandler moved too, but I'm not certain we really need to throw in sweeteners yet. He's only 30 games out from being a really damn good player coming off a career year in Winshares.

[Mulhollanddrive]

You need a top 50 player of All-Time to win a championship.

It's better to have 1 and 14 scrubs than 15 good players.

[garrick]

Rondo has Cousins to take most of the defensive pressure off him, here he would not be as successful and unless you let Rondo run the show he'll throw a fit like last season.



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[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

I'll preface this by saying this team is a disaster, but I disagree with many on how to fix this. This will be long.

This is a cultural problem. I don't believe guys like Tyson Chandler came here and suddenly stopped playing defense just because our guards turn it over or because we run a 2 PG system, or because Hornacek doesn't attempt to coach defense. I don't believe Eric Bledsoe, who has been an elite defender in the past, suddenly just doesn't listen to the coach and therefore is too lazy or too much of a primadonna to defend. I'm not sure how many here have worked at a place or in a job with a bad culture, but it is very demotivating. Even super high energy performers become demotivated in these scenarios.

I think Hornacek is a coach who works best with super mature guys, which are probably mostly veterans and some super mature young players (like Hayward in Utah). He is used to a culture that Jerry Sloan instilled and managed in which this maturity and high IQ play was always there. I'm not sure Hornacek knows how to instill that here or operate in an environment where that isn't the case. He has been dealt a bad hand here, mostly because we have young guys and the vets we have are not mature (Kieff, Tucker, arguably Bledsoe), but given that, how he's handled it this season and last has been absolutely awful. I think the team has lost faith in him, and when that happens as a player it's not that you are being lazy or don't care, it's that it becomes physically and mentally more difficult to play hard and engage/execute. That's why the coach's #1 job at all times is not X's and O's and development, it's leadership and gaining buy in. I am not excusing the players' responsibility in all of this. They have been terrible. But I am saying that I don't buy that guys who have been known for effort or certain abilities for half a decade in some cases to a full decade in others just suddenly fall off a cliff this year and became immature headcases who are too low IQ to play basketball. I also think a couple of our youngsters, like Booker and Warren and Len, are much more mature than some of our vets like Tucker and Markieff, and yet Hornacek gives these vet guys every chance while limiting the younger players. How many chances does Markieff get? How many times does Tucker's hustle excuse everything else that sucks about his game when it comes to Hornacek? Say what you want, but I don't buy that Booker, Warren, and Len aren't trying hard when they make mistakes, and yet Tucker's effort excuses everything he fails at just because he's good at an area where the rest of our team sucks. That is nonsense imo.

I've seen some rail on McDonough for not properly assessing chemistry and fit, and to an extent that is a fair criticism, but the coach is in the best position to ensure the team is happy and knows their roles and what they need from each to win (to fit, so to speak). I think this is where Hornacek failed, because this type of team needs him to be the leader. He has been trying on that front, but clearly has not been succeeding. I think he's having a hard time relating to the current roster, which is needed to get through to someone. If you just repeat the same scouting reports and tell someone the same thing over and over, it won't necessarily work. People learn differently and respond differently because everyone's mental makeup is different. Coaches to an extent are psychologists. They have to know how to get through to each player, and that's not the same way to each of them.

I think Hornacek is a good coach, but I don't think he could've handled this season more poorly. I think he needs to go as a result, even though I think he has done a good job on the whole with developing our younger players' individual skills, which I'd hate to see leave a rebuilding team.

You could put the culture on Sarver and McDonough to an extent, but I don't know that Sarver is involved as much as some on here believe. I also think GM's are rarely in a position to directly influence culture (only indirectly via personnel decisions, but the evidence I see from guys like Chandler and Bledsoe suggests it's a bigger issue than that). I suppose this would depend on the GM and how much the particular GM chooses to interfere with the day to day aspects of running the team that cross into the coach's arena.

McDonough absolutely should not be fired. If Sarver does that it is a disaster imo. Look back at the past 3 years of drafts and trades and you'll see we've done as well as any team aside from probably Minnesota, who lucked into Wiggins. Even Boston, who is playing well now, in my opinion has worse young talent, but thanks to Brooklyn's awful trade years ago I would probably put them above us also because of the picks they have. There have been bumps along the way, but for a rebuilding team, a haul of Bledsoe, Knight, Booker, Len, Warren, Bogdan, Leuer, Goodwin, 2 firsts from Miami, a first from Cleveland (this is the net result of all of our moves), in just 3 years is a massive one. To get these guys we gave up Scola, Dudley, Gortat, Dragic, Thomas, Ennis (not including Plumlee because we traded for him and gave him up later). We also took some free fliers on some former firsts that didn't work out. Some here may be protesting wanting those vet guys back because we'd be in the playoff fight with them, but the only ones who would have any long-term use to a real rebuild are Ennis and Thomas.

For a rebuild, you have to get talent, and McDonough has done that. Guys like Bledsoe and Knight are frustrating right now but they are unquestionably talented. I disagree with the idea that these guys can't play smart or play defense. They aren't this year. It's inexcusable, but they have in the past, so they can again. You don't give up on young talent during a rebuild. Many of the teams I see mentioned on here as "rebuilding the right way", like the 76ers, are nonsense imo. Philly, for instance, has drafted 2 high risk, injury flagged big men, with 1 who hasn't played and seems to be more interested in partying than rehabbing his injury, and the other who has only shown the ability to play on the defensive end, and whose knees some believe will give out by 30 (like the Suns Medical Staff). Utah and Phoenix have better young rosters than Philly, and it's not because they tanked better--it's because they have nailed the draft and trades more often. Teams like Minnesota and NO have more young talent than anyone probably, but they lucked into it. Both got generational players by literally winning the lottery--MN after botching the draft for years and just because they hit once on Love a number of years earlier, Lebron wanted him, and Wiggins refused to sign with LBJ's agent. So while it would be nice to win the lottery and get a generational talent, the most important thing is hitting the picks you do get.

Long story short, we can't afford to tank the year, get a high pick, and bring in a GM who misses the pick. We need the guy who has drafted Len, Warren, and Booker with the past 3 drafts to make that decision. This team isn't contending now or next year, and it won't even if we trade our ultra-talented problem children. We need the expert scout GM in this scenario.


Since this is a rebuild again, just with more talent at our disposal, dump the vets.

I'd make the Kieff trade for Jones and Brewer. Philly claims to want vets, I believe is below the minimum salary threshold, and probably secretly still wants to lose (so they want bad/mediocre vets on manageable deals), so if we throw in the Cavs first, Brewer, and Price, I think they'd take Brewer's bad deal and give us McConnell, who isn't playing as much anymore now that their guards are healthy. He's as good a player as we could get late in the first also.

I'd then shop Chandler for the best offer. Worst case scenario get expirings to lose the contract, but I'd try to get a pick. Perhaps for Noah would be feasible in a worst case scenario.

Tucker and Mirza should net 2nds from someone, although I still hold out hope that Mirza, who is playing really well, could get a heavily protected first instead or maybe an additional 2nd.

Fill out the roster with high upside D-leaguers in case you can pull a Whiteside by flukeish luck. Draft someone at the 3 (Jaylen Brown) or 4 (Cheick Diallo maybe or ideally we suck enough to get Bender), and move on from there. I really don't believe this is some epic failure and panic scenario. We are in a MUCH better position than we were 3 years ago.

Get a coach who can fix this culture and give them free reign to do so.

I do admire your posts, and I agree with pretty much everything you say. I do think if Hornacek got the right players in some trades, he could do well, but the team needs to get motivated. Maybe he isn't good in that respect at this point. I think he should at least play out the season, and I don't think Thibs is the answer. Maybe Melvin Hunt or someone else, and I don't say this in a racist sense (I am exactly the opposite of that), but a black coach, would get more respect, and maybe bring in Thibs as the defensive assistant if he isn't hired by another team.

[Damkac]

Washington
Jon Leuer, PJ Tucker -> Jared Dudley, Was 1st

Boston
Tyson Chandler -> David Lee, Tyler Zeller

Houston
Markieff Morris -> Terrence Jones
Corey Brewer, Cle 1st, NY 2nd (form Hou) to Philadelphia

Eric Bledsoe, Ronnie Price
Brandon Knight, Devin Booker, Archie Goodwin
TJ Warren, Jared Dudley
Mirza Teletovic, Terrence Jones, David Lee
Alex Len, Tyler Zeller

[Jdiddy701]

Bledsoe or Knight for Rubio? Wow. Logging off for a long time. Bye


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[thamadkant]

Any Wolves trade...I want LaVine from them.

Bledsoe for LaVine + filler

Maybe absorb Martin or Pekovic.... Flip them to a 3rd team perhaps.




And people will be hating on Rubio because he cant shoot.... But Rubio's passing, defense and all round IQ is better than Bledsoe's.

Jason Kidd is an all time great HOF PG who wasnt known for his shooting.... Shooting is not everything. You can be a contender with a non shooting PG.... Celtics won a ring with Rondo.

Before that... Mavs won with Kidd (who can nail 3pters but on average percentages).


Everyone has become obsess with shooting... Well Bledsoe isnt a shooter either... Rubio is twice the play maker and as good defensively....

[NTB]

Any Wolves trade...I want LaVine from them.

Bledsoe for LaVine + filler

Maybe absorb Martin or Pekovic.... Flip them to a 3rd team perhaps.

Lol are you serious with that trade? Lavine? Come on. Bledsoe is way better and LaVine will never be a better player than Bledsoe in his career.

[kennydorglas]

LaVine is just a young Knight.
We definitely dont need two players like that in our team.

[thamadkant]

Any Wolves trade...I want LaVine from them.

Bledsoe for LaVine + filler

Maybe absorb Martin or Pekovic.... Flip them to a 3rd team perhaps.

Lol are you serious with that trade? Lavine? Come on. Bledsoe is way better and LaVine will never be a better player than Bledsoe in his career.

Yeah of course.


Just like Pau Gasol was traded for Marc Gasol.
It was incredibly lob sided then... Because you were comparing a star to a very young player with potential.


Well Bledsoe is a semi star.... And I bet my bottom dollar that McD sees LaVine as a potential star.


Many here drink Kool aid... Its perfectly fine. Some didnt want to trade Booker for Paul George for example earlier... Well many Wolves fans will say no to Bledsoe for LaVine...but the fairest trades are the ones where both team fans felt they could of had more.

When LaVine develops some more... He will likely over take Bledsoe. LaVine was projected to go top 5 had he stayed back one year...


So to answer you... yes. I would trade Bledsoe for LaVine....itll be similar to the Pau Gasol and Marc Gasol trade.... LaVine's true worth will show 3 to 4 years down the line.

[thamadkant]

LaVine is just a young Knight.
We definitely dont need two players like that in our team.

Except he is 6'5 ~ 6'6... And has similar athleticism as Westbrook. Sub 40 inch verticals...

Can shoot the 3pter too with potential to improve.

Come on now... Atleast read about him or watch games.


As I said..many Wolves fans will say no to Bledsoe for LaVine.


His ceiling is much higher than Knight.

[AtheJ415]

Any Wolves trade...I want LaVine from them.

Bledsoe for LaVine + filler

Maybe absorb Martin or Pekovic.... Flip them to a 3rd team perhaps.




And people will be hating on Rubio because he cant shoot.... But Rubio's passing, defense and all round IQ is better than Bledsoe's.

Jason Kidd is an all time great HOF PG who wasnt known for his shooting.... Shooting is not everything. You can be a contender with a non shooting PG.... Celtics won a ring with Rondo.

Before that... Mavs won with Kidd (who can nail 3pters but on average percentages).


Everyone has become obsess with shooting... Well Bledsoe isnt a shooter either... Rubio is twice the play maker and as good defensively....

Kidd was a walking triple double though. And the game was different then, and he still didn't win a title until he got much older, on a team of shooters, and actually started shooting well. I just don't see Rubio's upside until he shows he can improve just a bit on shooting. He's so bad at it that small improvement should be easy. Yet, he hasn't. You don't want a PG who can't shoot. It is killer and makes life harder for every other player on offense, regardless of the assist numbers.

Bledsoe used to not be a shooter. He is this year. He has improved on that end.

I'd be fine with Lavine. Get younger and he has as much upside as Bledsoe due to his athleticism. If we're going to go younger, get someone with similar upside.

[kennydorglas]

LaVine is just a young Knight.
We definitely dont need two players like that in our team.

Except he is 6'5... And has similar athleticism as Westbrook.

Come on now... Atleast read about him or watch games.


His ceiling is much higher than Knight.

Watch games hahahahahah
This is great, man.

[Sunsdeuce]

It's been awhile since I posted.

I'm going to point out the obvious. Bledsoe and Tucker absolutely need to go. Tucker, for obviously reasons (just a bad player/low BBIQ/stunting the growth of this team).

Bledsoe is not a leader nor is a starter in this league. Yeah he is putting up a lot of points but his low efficieny and inability to run an offense continues to plague this team. Ryan Mcd overpaid for him (he Still is NOT worth 70 million!!!!! Even with the increased cap). Bottom line is Bledsoe is a bench player but a starter for the Suns. This team is not getting better until Bledsoe is gone.

Chandler suckered Ryan Mcd into paying him and chandler is another player stunting the growth of other players and he is having zero impact of the court.

Time to be honest, Ryan Mcd is a complete failure. Other than a successful year one, he is has been one of the worst GMs in the league since then. The whole Markieff mess is 100% Ryan's fault. His whole "trying to polish a turd" is/was his stupid idea. You flush that crap not keep it. Markieff should have been gone months/weeks before the season started.

I've been watching this team for a very long time (three + decades) and I can't remember a Suns team less appealing and less talented. I'll be honest, when the Suns are on if I'm bored, I will watch, other than that, I couldn't care less. THIS Suns team/organization is not the Suns I grew up with. I really don't acknowledge this as the Suns anymore. They are officially the least cared about team in AZ. Sad place Sarver has put this organization at.

In the 90s star players were literally begging and taking pay cuts to come to play for the Suns. Now, star players don't want to be within 10 feet of this organization.

I've come to the realization that me getting all stressed out over the Suns is no longer worth it and wanting them to get better just isn't going to happen as long as Sarver is the owner. Tough pill to digest but this team is the least relevant team in the state of Arizona (including college teams).

I want to have that joy I had when I was younger that I had watching the team. I use to beg my parents to pay the 19.99 to watch them when they use to charge (pay per view) to watch during the regular season (90s).

If my opinion counted for anything, I would blow this team up...trade everyone not named Len, Booker, or Warren. completely tank. The 13th pick in the draft that the Suns get on a yearly basis has led this team to jack squat.

Feel free to destroy my post but I sorry that's how I feel.

[Revived]

Sundeuce ya need to post more my man...

[Sunsdeuce]

Sundeuce ya need to post more my man...

To be honest with you, I'm having more enjoyment and way more fun watching a well run, classy, successful organization. Cardinals are taking up 99% of my fandom right now. Feels good to love a team that is doing everything it can to win.