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It's time to ask. Personally, I don't know, but it's time to ask.

I think I would promote. VP in charge of player personnel and scouting or something. Then hire a GM to work with the players and coaches. A good employer recognizes his employees strengths and puts them in the position that will best use their skills and hide their weaknesses.

jcsunsfan wrote:I think I would promote. VP in charge of player personnel and scouting or something. Then hire a GM to work with the players and coaches. A good employer recognizes his employees strengths and puts them in the position that will best use their skills and hide their weaknesses.

LOL, we don't have a good employer.

jcsunsfan wrote:I think I would promote. VP in charge of player personnel and scouting or something. Then hire a GM to work with the players and coaches. A good employer recognizes his employees strengths and puts them in the position that will best use their skills and hide their weaknesses.

That's a good idea. But I doubt Sarver would want to give him any more money or even pay him equal AND pay another GM, but who knows?

I didn't vote in the poll because I don't really like the choices. I'd love for him to draft our players but I'd rather have a new GM heading into free agency so this would somehow work well.

No.

I'll give him till next offseason to redeem himself before calling for his head on a guillotine.

He has drafted well but needs to make something happen at the deadline. Also, we need to do better in FA. Like McD said, everyone needs to do better.

This mess is all on Banker Bob. He seriously ran this franchise into the ground. I think the bad decisions of the IT signing, Knight trade, Chandler signing are direct commands from him. Even the other stuff like the Mook trade that made Kieff cry, firing assistants on two separate occasions all stem from his incessant and annoying need to treadmill. Everytime the blame comes up too close he fires someone so that it doesnt reach him. McD is not without his faults, but if we are to rebuild this team from the ground up, there is no one id rather have to GM this team. Sarver just has to STFU and let him do his thing or better yet sell the fking team.

As for Steve Nash, no thanks to having him coach. Hes very welcome to put up an investment group to buy the Suns tho

I don't think firing him will change anything. He's tried to go big and gone hard at top flight FA's, he came up short but he tried and had a good shot at it. He's drafted well and is good at collecting assets. He just needs to improve on getting players that fit team.

Give him at least one more year.

I vote to fire him. He has had enough time... Its been like 3 years and every year we have regressed BIG TIME. The future ain't looking bright either. How long will we suns fans have to hold this guy to be held accountable? 5 years? 8 years?

blacksun wrote:This mess is all on Banker Bob. He seriously ran this franchise into the ground. I think the bad decisions of the IT signing, Knight trade, Chandler signing are direct commands from him. Even the other stuff like the Mook trade that made Kieff cry, firing assistants on two separate occasions all stem from his incessant and annoying need to treadmill. Everytime the blame comes up too close he fires someone so that it doesnt reach him. McD is not without his faults, but if we are to rebuild this team from the ground up, there is no one id rather have to GM this team. Sarver just has to STFU and let him do his thing or better yet sell the fking team.

As for Steve Nash, no thanks to having him coach. Hes very welcome to put up an investment group to buy the Suns tho

It really is so hard to know how involved Sarver is, so it makes it tough to judge everyone. But McD has some terrible interpersonal relationship skills at a minimum. Sarver has to put a shoulder of the blame for a lot of the mess on McD. McD has to really be on the hot seat right now.

bwgood77 wrote:

blacksun wrote:This mess is all on Banker Bob. He seriously ran this franchise into the ground. I think the bad decisions of the IT signing, Knight trade, Chandler signing are direct commands from him. Even the other stuff like the Mook trade that made Kieff cry, firing assistants on two separate occasions all stem from his incessant and annoying need to treadmill. Everytime the blame comes up too close he fires someone so that it doesnt reach him. McD is not without his faults, but if we are to rebuild this team from the ground up, there is no one id rather have to GM this team. Sarver just has to STFU and let him do his thing or better yet sell the fking team.

As for Steve Nash, no thanks to having him coach. Hes very welcome to put up an investment group to buy the Suns tho

It really is so hard to know how involved Sarver is, so it makes it tough to judge everyone. But McD has some terrible interpersonal relationship skills at a minimum. Sarver has to put a shoulder of the blame for a lot of the mess on McD. McD has to really be on the hot seat right now.

Unfortunately thats how it is. This has turned out to be such a mess that no one is immune. But think about this, if we are to judge McD by himself, would you think he would have done the things he did if everything was up to him? I dont think so, but obviously we cant say for sure because he doesnt have a track record of being GM before his tenure with us. But with Sarver we do. Weve seen him sabotage, torpedo and entirely skip the FO altogether to get what he wants. I guess the question is, do we think if we fire McD, that there is a GM out there who can do better, knowing that Sarver is his backseat driver?

Idk if now is the right time to fire McDonough with the Suns most likely having a top five pick in the draft. He has proven to be an excellent talent evaluator and the only thing I trust from him at this point is his drafting skills. The crazy thing is that I feel the opposite way about his free agent viewpoint.

blacksun wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

blacksun wrote:This mess is all on Banker Bob. He seriously ran this franchise into the ground. I think the bad decisions of the IT signing, Knight trade, Chandler signing are direct commands from him. Even the other stuff like the Mook trade that made Kieff cry, firing assistants on two separate occasions all stem from his incessant and annoying need to treadmill. Everytime the blame comes up too close he fires someone so that it doesnt reach him. McD is not without his faults, but if we are to rebuild this team from the ground up, there is no one id rather have to GM this team. Sarver just has to STFU and let him do his thing or better yet sell the fking team.

As for Steve Nash, no thanks to having him coach. Hes very welcome to put up an investment group to buy the Suns tho

It really is so hard to know how involved Sarver is, so it makes it tough to judge everyone. But McD has some terrible interpersonal relationship skills at a minimum. Sarver has to put a shoulder of the blame for a lot of the mess on McD. McD has to really be on the hot seat right now.

Unfortunately thats how it is. This has turned out to be such a mess that no one is immune. But think about this, if we are to judge McD by himself, would you think he would have done the things he did if everything was up to him? I dont think so, but obviously we cant say for sure because he doesnt have a track record of being GM before his tenure with us. But with Sarver we do. Weve seen him sabotage, torpedo and entirely skip the FO altogether to get what he wants. I guess the question is, do we think if we fire McD, that there is a GM out there who can do better, knowing that Sarver is his backseat driver?

That's the thing. Many said this season Sarver hasn't meddled as much lately. I do think he always meddles too much in things though. I do think McD wanted to get Knight though. I do think he is a terrible with relationships and gives promises to players that a coach can't possibly deliver if he wants to have good chemistry.

I will be honest he is not one of my favorite people. I am willing to give him 1 more chance to get this fixed even though I thought he finally did with the Hornacek hire. Just proves I'm usually wrong. Please McD please give Phx a coach the fans of this organization deserve. A winner!

No,

McDonough has done a good job. The roster as it is has a lot more value than what he took over.

The type of players that McDonough acquired are dictated by the system Hornacek wanted to play. (Duo PG, Brandon Knight).

That said the Suns need to improve their communcation obviously.

The first year on the job I was loving McD's moves. He came out of the gate strong with the Bledsoe trade, then did the right thing getting picks for Gortat's expiring and Scola's corpse. He drafted two raw high upside guys in Len and Goodwin. I gave him an A+ that first year.

Well then last year things started to slip a little. The IT contract seemed like good value but the fit was always a little questionable. I was OK with the Warren pick, LOVED the Bogdan pick, and was scratching my head a little with the Enis pick. Then last deadline comes and they turn a potentially messy dragic situation into two first rounders.. cool seemed like a decent trade. Even the IT trade was fine; he wasn't working out and they got a 1st rounder for a guy they didn't pay anything to acquire that summer.

Right here is when things went completely off the rails and ultimately might cost him his job. That Knight trade was dumb the minute it was made and there were a good number of us posters who didn't like it at the time. They should have just sat back and let the season play out after moving Dragic and IT and just let Bledsoe be the guy at PG and figured out SG int he offseason. Hell give Goodwin a shot.

This summer was also a black eye. The Chandler signing was a head scratcher and again this is not hindsight because some of us myself included were not super stoked by that deal. Moving Marcus was fine but not immediately dealing Markeif too was down right idiotic and might be fireable on its own.

I'm willing to give him one more shot at this but I certainly won't cry myself to sleep if he's fired after the season. If you wan to read tea leaves I think looking at what they do with the coach search will tell you a lot about how they feel about McD. If he's allowed to go and find someone this summer he probably gets another two year window along with that coach to make it work. If they just make Watson the full time coach for next year it could be sign that McD is on thin ice and basically has one more year to shape up and keep his job.


Side note: as someone else pointed out we really don't know how much Sarver has meddled and maybe some of these mistakes aren't even on McD.

WeekapaugGroove wrote:The first year on the job I was loving McD's moves. He came out of the gate strong with the Bledsoe trade, then did the right thing getting picks for Gortat's expiring and Scola's corpse. He drafted two raw high upside guys in Len and Goodwin. I gave him an A+ that first year.

Well then last year things started to slip a little. The IT contract seemed like good value but the fit was always a little questionable. I was OK with the Warren pick, LOVED the Bogdan pick, and was scratching my head a little with the Enis pick. Then last deadline comes and they turn a potentially messy dragic situation into two first rounders.. cool seemed like a decent trade. Even the IT trade was fine; he wasn't working out and they got a 1st rounder for a guy they didn't pay anything to acquire that summer.

Right here is when things went completely off the rails and ultimately might cost him his job. That Knight trade was dumb the minute it was made and there were a good number of us posters who didn't like it at the time. They should have just sat back and let the season play out after moving Dragic and IT and just let Bledsoe be the guy at PG and figured out SG int he offseason. Hell give Goodwin a shot.

This summer was also a black eye. The Chandler signing was a head scratcher and again this is not hindsight because some of us myself included were not super stoked by that deal. Moving Marcus was fine but not immediately dealing Markeif too was down right idiotic and might be fireable on its own.

I'm willing to give him one more shot at this but I certainly won't cry myself to sleep if he's fired after the season. If you wan to read tea leaves I think looking at what they do with the coach search will tell you a lot about how they feel about McD. If he's allowed to go and find someone this summer he probably gets another two year window along with that coach to make it work. If they just make Watson the full time coach for next year it could be sign that McD is on thin ice and basically has one more year to shape up and keep his job.


Side note: as someone else pointed out we really don't know how much Sarver has meddled and maybe some of these mistakes aren't even on McD.

Bledsoe is not good enough, or consistent enough, as a playmaker to really be "the guy" at point guard—at least not without better passers around him. Goodwin does not shoot well enough or pass well enough to be a starting shooting guard, and you need a shooting guard who can pass alongside Bledsoe. Whatever one thinks of Knight, Phoenix needed to bring back talent once the Suns traded Dragic; indeed, Phoenix can always use Knight as a trade asset down the road, so acquiring him did not constitute a bad move.

Trading Isaiah Thomas, on the other hand, was more questionable, as the pick that Phoenix acquired figures to be no higher than twenty-sixth and possibly worse. Thomas is much better, and far more valuable, than any player that the Suns are likely to find at that spot.

Giving Chandler a four-year contract was always dubious, and moving Marcus Morris without shedding his twin never made sense, either. One could see these train wrecks coming from a mile away. Pursuing LaMarcus Aldridge over a more realistic possibility such as, say, Greg Monroe proved arguably noble yet arguably foolhardy.

McDonough made some great moves early on and has drafted well for the most part, but as you indicate, the last year has gone pretty badly for him aside from the Booker pick. My greater concern is that without a head honcho who possesses a championship pedigree and inherent authority—someone such as Joe Dumars, for instance—Sarver will always be meddling and his impatience will continually seep into the front office. I would not fire McDonough simply to fire him, but if the Suns could replace him with a big-name executive like Dumars or (dare I say it) Isiah Thomas, someone who would loom over Sarver and minimize the owner's input, I would go in that direction. (For all the flack that he has taken, Thomas actually did a good job in Toronto as an executive, drafting Damon Stoudamire, Marcus Camby, and Tracy McGrady in his three drafts there, and he also drafted well in New York with guys like David Lee and Nate Robinson, even if his other moves proved questionable. For what it is worth, Thomas is also by far the best national NBA analyst working in television today in my opinion, with Kenny Smith a distant second.)

Oh, and Bryan Colangelo is available ...

Donald_Trade wrote:No,

McDonough has done a good job. The roster as it is has a lot more value than what he took over.

The type of players that McDonough acquired are dictated by the system Hornacek wanted to play. (Duo PG, Brandon Knight).

That said the Suns need to improve their communcation obviously.

The defense of this GM contradicts his own assessment. This is the most dysfunctional team in the NBA. History does not lie.


Gambo ripping it up... 'something is rotten with this organization'