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This post is in response to Chad Ford's discussion about the Suns wanting to move out of the draft for a young veteran. Butler is really just a proxy for such a player - the best target we have heard may be available. The #4 is a dubious position in the draft, full of risk. But while we might be thinking of moving down to the 7/8 range, Ford spoke as if we were really looking to move out of that spot entirely.

Sarver's impatience with losing and rebuilding is thought to be the motivation for such a move. I suppose the idea is that fans won't stick around for the full rebuild. As I see it, as a lifelong Suns fan, I don't care about the length of the rebuild as long as it puts us in contention for a title. The way I see it, we're a long ways toward a tremendous young core. I'd like to stick with that plan rather than going for the quick fix that relegates us to a low-ceiling core.

So, supposing that the optimal situation is an straight-up trade, #4 for Butler, would you rather gamble with the #4 pick (or perhaps move down just a few spots) or go with the young vet, Butler? To be clear, I think Butler would cost us more than just the #4, but the purpose of the poll is test the appetite of the fan base. If you have a creative and altogether different idea, select "Other" and explain.

Butler.

Something I just thought of: if I prefer Butler to the #4, wouldn't it stand to reason that I prefer #6 to Bledsoe? Bled's got three more years on his deal; Dunn is extremely similar and would be under control for 8 years. I bet the Pels would make that deal - Bledsoe for #6. We could draft Dunn #4 and Bender/Chriss/Sabonis @ #6, thereby establishing a complete starting lineup with players on rookie contracts, 1-5.

Much prefer that direction than the vet option.

cosmofizzo wrote:This post is in response to Chad Ford's discussion about the Suns wanting to move out of the draft for a young veteran. Butler is really just a proxy for such a player - the best target we have heard may be available. The #4 is a dubious position in the draft, full of risk. But while we might be thinking of moving down to the 7/8 range, Ford spoke as if we were really looking to move out of that spot entirely.

Sarver's impatience with losing and rebuilding is thought to be the motivation for such a move. I suppose the idea is that fans won't stick around for the full rebuild. As I see it, as a lifelong Suns fan, I don't care about the length of the rebuild as long as it puts us in contention for a title. The way I see it, we're a long ways toward a tremendous young core. I'd like to stick with that plan rather than going for the quick fix that relegates us to a low-ceiling core.

So, supposing that the optimal situation is an straight-up trade, #4 for Butler, would you rather gamble with the #4 pick (or perhaps move down just a few spots) or go with the young vet, Butler? To be clear, I think Butler would cost us more than just the #4, but the purpose of the poll is test the appetite of the fan base. If you have a creative and altogether different idea, select "Other" and explain.

Well it would take way more than the 4 to get Butler so it depends on what else had to be included.

cosmofizzo wrote:Something I just thought of: if I prefer Butler to the #4, wouldn't it stand to reason that I prefer #6 to Bledsoe? Bled's got three more years on his deal; Dunn is extremely similar and would be under control for 8 years. I bet the Pels would make that deal - Bledsoe for #6. We could draft Dunn #4 and Bender/Chriss/Sabonis @ #6, thereby establishing a complete starting lineup with players on rookie contracts, 1-5.

Much prefer that direction than the vet option.

Pelicans are not going to want to take on more injury prone players.

straight up of course. it'd take more than just the 4 so depends on the deal

I guess the question is - can we take advantage of Butler's skills immediately to create a competitive team, or are we wasting money, assets and Butler's time to acquire him when we'll still be a bad team while we have him?

Look at the Cardinals trading their 2nd round pick for Chandler Jones...that makes a ton of sense, because they're in win-now mode and a talented guy that can start RIGHT NOW is much more valuable than a future stud that needs time to develop.

But are we in win-now mode? Can we afford to give up rolling the dice on what might be a future stud to get a sure thing now? That risk-reward is what McD & Co. are looking at, I'm sure. I just don't know. The NBA is a lot different than the NFL, one player can make all the difference, but is Butler that one player?

If it's simply #4 or Butler..i dunno why it's even a question

dremill24 wrote:If it's simply #4 or Butler..i dunno why it's even a question

Oh yeah, if it was straight up, sure, I could go for that knowing we still have 13 and 28.

But if it takes any more picks or non-expendable players, then you start debating.

straight up would be highway robbery for us

If there is any truth to the rumor that we're looking to trade the #4 for a vet, there's only one explanation - the PF we want in the draft will be available at #13 or will otherwise be available via trade. If that is the case, I'm okay moving #4 for a vet, the idea being that we think the top of the draft is trash and we're better off making our picks later.

With Butler, we'd have 2 legit all-star guys at the 2 & 3.

Add in a healthy year from Bledsoe and we start looking like a playoff team.

If we can exchange #4 for Butler AND keep our late picks (13+28+32). It's a huge no brainier.

Sure, why not?

LukasBMW wrote:With Butler, we'd have 2 legit all-star guys at the 2 & 3.

Add in a healthy year from Bledsoe and we start looking like a playoff team.

If we can exchange #4 for Butler AND keep our late picks (13+28+32). It's a huge no brainier.

Who is this other All-Star wing you are speaking of? Is he currently on the roster?