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The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:55 am
by Kerrsed
Continued from: viewtopic.php?p=48047065#p48047065

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:01 am
by bwgood77
The chemistry begins...

Booker hanging with Ulis waiting for him to get picked...

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/746193199337603072[/tweet]

and more...compliments of Blackification...

Booker was at Tyler's house with his family

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DevinBook/status/746179948071641088[/tweet]

Can see him in the balcony in this vid

[tweet]https://twitter.com/kennedy_hardman/status/746194649774067713[/tweet]

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:02 am
by rsavaj
In the post-draft presser, McD said they'd look to add one more guy at PF via FA, and he mentioned that Telly and Leuer are FAs who had good seasons in Suns unis.

If I had to guess, they'll re-sign Telly; I'd prefer Leuer, but Watson seemingly cooled on him last year.

I'd also love to keep Alan Williams. Guy played his heart out last year and he'd be an excellent end of the roster dude.

I'm in favor of a Knight trade, but until that happens, here's the depth chart as I see it now:

Bledsoe/Price/Ulis
Knight/Booker/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren
Teletovic/Bender/Chriss
Chandler/Len/Williams

I don't actually think Knight starting is the end of the world; he played much better next to Bledsoe than he did in any other scenario. I'd love him as the microwave guy off the bench, but maybe the best way to fully maximize Knight/Booker's production is to keep Knight paired with Bledsoe at all times. Booker can rain fire down on opposing bench units if need be.

I think Price, Tucker and Chandler will continue to play big roles in the rotation, since they're exactly the blue-collar, tough-nosed vet types that Watson salivates over.

Ideally, regardless of who starts, I'd want Booker to play more minutes than Knight, Warren more than Tucker, and Len more than Chandler.

Ulis, Bender and Chriss can rotate through the Prescott Suns and hopefully get some nice spot minutes this year with the main squad too. I hope Ulis/Booker get some real minutes together.

Archie.....man, I really don't know. There's currently no place for him in the rotation, and he'll continue to be on the outside looking in unless he makes SIGNIFICANT strides this year. He doesn't need to be a world-beater, and I know he's young, but he needs to show that he's a rotation player.

I don't care about the playoffs this season; I just want a team that's fun to watch, a team that seems like it's actually building towards something. Hard working guys who are getting better through the year...that's all I ask.

Re: The Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss and Tyler Ulis highlight/homer thread

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:03 am
by ImNotMcDiSwear
I don't think we can sign either Telly or Leuer - neither is a starting PF. We need a guy who can start, but a guy who will be fine fading away as the young talent improves. A guy nearer the end of his career who is willing to take a contract that decreases year-over-year.

Marvin Williams and Luol Deng are the best defenders available that can play PF, but they're both really small forwards. I highly doubt Deng would be open to coming here. I bet if we gave Williams a decent offer, we could snag him, though. He's the most obvious best fit. Dwight Powell is RFA; if we made a play on the opening day, Mavs might not match because they're out chasing other guys.

Not really interested in Ryan Anderson because he couldn't defend a guy in a potato sack. This is also my problem with Telly - can't have a starting PF who is a sieve on defense.

Jonas Jerebko would be perfect if we could get him via trade. You know what Boston wants, though, and that's draft picks.

If we want to trade for a starting PF, our chips are Tucker, Chandler and Archie. Looks like we're all about continuity this summer, but I suspect - no, I know - we'd deal Archie to fill a need.

Re: The Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss and Tyler Ulis highlight/homer thread

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:05 am
by bwgood77
cosmofizzo wrote:I don't think we can sign either Telly or Leuer - neither is a starting PF. We need a guy who can start, but a guy who will be fine fading away as the young talent improves. A guy nearer the end of his career who is willing to take a contract that decreases year-over-year.

Marvin Williams and Luol Deng are the best defenders available that can play PF, but they're both really small forwards. I highly doubt Deng would be open to coming here. I bet if we gave Williams a decent offer, we could snag him, though. He's the most obvious best fit. Dwight Powell is RFA; if we made a play on the opening day, Mavs might not match because they're out chasing other guys.

Not really interested in Ryan Anderson because he couldn't defend a guy in a potato sack. This is also my problem with Telly - can't have a starting PF who is a sieve on defense.

Jonas Jerebko would be perfect if we could get him via trade. You know what Boston wants, though, and that's draft picks.

If we want to trade for a starting PF, our chips are Tucker, Chandler and Archie. Looks like we're all about continuity this summer, but I suspect - no, I know - we'd deal Archie to fill a need.


Is Marvin Williams really available? For some reason I didn't think he was or figured Charlotte would sign him for sure...he became their defensive force and is a good 3 pt shooter too.

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:08 am
by TheFire
I'm really happy that Chandler and Tucker are here to provide mentorship to these young guys. I also wouldn't mind bringing back Telly and Price for additional leadership. It's going to be interesting to see if any of these guys (Warren, Len, and Archie) take the next step and prove they are starting caliber players.

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:19 am
by SarcasticSun
Great draft. I honestly would be fine if we didn't sign any FA's and just rolled into the season with this roster. But I know that's not happening. I think Knight stays though, so the rotation as of now would look like
Bledsoe/Knight/Price/Ulis
Knight/Booker/Goodwin
Tucker/Warren/Booker
Bender/Chriss/Tucker
Chandler/Len
Honestly that team is extremely solid at every position, with a huge liability at 4 due to youth. I wouldn't mind giving the young guys a lot of minutes at the four for developments sake, but it just isn't going to happen with us trying to win. I could see us throwing money at Horford/Batum and starting either of them at the four. Otherwise we probably end up with a teletovic type player starting at 4, depending on how fast bender/Chriss come along.

Goodwin- probably his last year here unless he fixes that broken shot.
Warren- Big year for him, is he merely a solid solid bench guy or can he be our SF of the future?
Len- I except Len to continue his steady improvement. He will never be an all star, but he can be a very solid Big Z like center. I think he's our future at 5.
Chandler - Must keep. Vital as a veteran for glut of young bigs we now have in the locker room.

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:29 am
by sunsfever68
If Barnes doesn't get as much money as he thinks he'll get (aka Warriors go sign Durant to max money) and his market cools I'm down to sign him to 12-13M a year contract maybe 14-15M tops.


Batum or Barnes is the next guy I want. Warren is not the guy we need. We need a 3 and D type guy and Barnes/Batum fill those rolls well.


Sign one of those guys Suns!

Bledsoe
Booker
Barnes/Batum
Bender/Chriss
Chandler/Len


I like it

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:30 am
by SideSwipe
rsavaj wrote:In the post-draft presser, McD said they'd look to add one more guy at PF via FA.


Amare back to mentor Chriss? Cheap and available. "We can rebuild him!"

Re: The Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss and Tyler Ulis highlight/homer thread

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:36 am
by ImNotMcDiSwear
bwgood77 wrote:Is Marvin Williams really available? For some reason I didn't think he was or figured Charlotte would sign him for sure...he became their defensive force and is a good 3 pt shooter too.


Sure, but they have to re-sign Batum first. And they should try to go after Whiteside. Not to mention, Batum, MKG and Marvin Williams are all very similar players, and one could see them contemplating going forward with Batum and MKG. Not to mention, they do have a couple 4's on the roster that need time in Zeller and Kaminsky. They've been playing those guys at the 5, sure, but they could really use some rim protection... Makes me wonder if they'd be interesting in Tyson Chandler. Or maybe even Knight, despite his similarities to Kemba. Also, Williams disappeared for them in the playoffs. And finally, Williams will surely go to whatever team offers him the most money. If we go after him hard on day 1 while the Hornets are dealing with Batum and making offers for rim protectors, I don't see why he wouldn't take our offer.

Re: Re: Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:38 am
by SarcasticSun
SideSwipe wrote:
rsavaj wrote:In the post-draft presser, McD said they'd look to add one more guy at PF via FA.


Amare back to mentor Chriss? Cheap and available. "We can rebuild him!"

Lol I considered this too, but then I thought, do we really want Amare teaching our young Pf's? I think Chandler is a much better mentor.

Re: The Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss and Tyler Ulis highlight/homer thread

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:46 am
by bwgood77
cosmofizzo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Is Marvin Williams really available? For some reason I didn't think he was or figured Charlotte would sign him for sure...he became their defensive force and is a good 3 pt shooter too.


Sure, but they have to re-sign Batum first. And they should try to go after Whiteside. Not to mention, Batum, MKG and Marvin Williams are all very similar players, and one could see them contemplating going forward with Batum and MKG. Not to mention, they do have a couple 4's on the roster that need time in Zeller and Kaminsky. They've been playing those guys at the 5, sure, but they could really use some rim protection... Makes me wonder if they'd be interesting in Tyson Chandler. Or maybe even Knight, despite his similarities to Kemba. Also, Williams disappeared for them in the playoffs. And finally, Williams will surely go to whatever team offers him the most money. If we go after him hard on day 1 while the Hornets are dealing with Batum and making offers for rim protectors, I don't see why he wouldn't take our offer.


Well I read a bunch of sports stuff daily and Marvin Williams was the coach's favorite player this season and finally found his place in the league as the defensive leader of the team. Before I read that I really though we should go for him. Perhaps we still should and that they might let him go...but after reading that I kind of figured our chances of prying him from that situation on a playoff team are slim.

Re: The Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss and Tyler Ulis highlight/homer thread

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:55 am
by ImNotMcDiSwear
bwgood77 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Is Marvin Williams really available? For some reason I didn't think he was or figured Charlotte would sign him for sure...he became their defensive force and is a good 3 pt shooter too.


Sure, but they have to re-sign Batum first. And they should try to go after Whiteside. Not to mention, Batum, MKG and Marvin Williams are all very similar players, and one could see them contemplating going forward with Batum and MKG. Not to mention, they do have a couple 4's on the roster that need time in Zeller and Kaminsky. They've been playing those guys at the 5, sure, but they could really use some rim protection... Makes me wonder if they'd be interesting in Tyson Chandler. Or maybe even Knight, despite his similarities to Kemba. Also, Williams disappeared for them in the playoffs. And finally, Williams will surely go to whatever team offers him the most money. If we go after him hard on day 1 while the Hornets are dealing with Batum and making offers for rim protectors, I don't see why he wouldn't take our offer.


Well I read a bunch of sports stuff daily and Marvin Williams was the coach's favorite player this season and finally found his place in the league as the defensive leader of the team. Before I read that I really though we should go for him. Perhaps we still should and that they might let him go...but after reading that I kind of figured our chances of prying him from that situation on a playoff team are slim.


You might be right. But the Hornets have three key free agents this summer in Batum, Lin and Williams. They also have MKG coming back. They've publicly stated that Batum is their #1 priority. I think if we make him a good offer on day 1, there's good reason to think he'll bite. I could be wrong.

I also don't see an appealing alternative for us, so... :-?

Re: The Dragan Bender, Marquese Chriss and Tyler Ulis highlight/homer thread

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:59 am
by bwgood77
cosmofizzo wrote:
I also don't see an appealing alternative for us, so... :-?


Well this I agree with...when I looked over all free agents a while back, Marvin Williams I thought was the perfect guy for us....then I started reading about how much he loved the Hornets...then I read how much the coaches love him.

If we can get him, he would be my #1 candidate to fit this team right now...great defender and good 3 pt shooter at the 4. I just think there is little to zero chance he leaves Charlotte.

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:04 am
by sunsfever68
If we can land Batum or Barnes at the 3 I'll be elated

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:06 am
by SarcasticSun
What exactly do we want to receive in a Knight trade? Surely we don't want another guard as that is counterproductive. We are pretty jammed at center too. So a forward? Would a Chandler Parsons for Knight and Tucker be plausible? I know we could fetch a draft pick for him, but it doesn't seem like we want to go that route.

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:07 am
by Kerrsed
SarcasticSun wrote:What exactly do we want to receive in a Knight trade? Surely we don't want another guard as that is counterproductive. We are pretty jammed at center too. So a forward? Would a Chandler Parsons for Knight and Tucker be plausible? I know we could fetch a draft pick for him, but it doesn't seem like we want to go that route.

Chandler Parsons Opted out and is an unrestricted FA.

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:14 am
by bwgood77
sunsfever68 wrote:If we can land Batum or Barnes at the 3 I'll be elated


You said this in your first post. Barnes is going to cost a ton and he shot like 30% in the finals when he gets wide open shots playing with Curry, Klay and Draymond. He is highly overrated and any team that signs him for a max deal or anything near it will likely be sorry.

Batum, yeah, I could go for him, but I doubt he leaves Charlotte.

Re: Re: Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:14 am
by SarcasticSun
Kerrsed wrote:
SarcasticSun wrote:What exactly do we want to receive in a Knight trade? Surely we don't want another guard as that is counterproductive. We are pretty jammed at center too. So a forward? Would a Chandler Parsons for Knight and Tucker be plausible? I know we could fetch a draft pick for him, but it doesn't seem like we want to go that route.

Chandler Parsons Opted out and is an unrestricted FA.

Wow, surprised I didn't hear about that. Well then, I really can't think of any trade partners for Knight unless we want to trade him for a future draft pick. We could try Knight for Okafor, but that would seem like too much youth at power forward for my liking.

Re: The 2016 Offseason Thread (Post Draft)

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:17 am
by bwgood77
SarcasticSun wrote:What exactly do we want to receive in a Knight trade? Surely we don't want another guard as that is counterproductive. We are pretty jammed at center too. So a forward? Would a Chandler Parsons for Knight and Tucker be plausible? I know we could fetch a draft pick for him, but it doesn't seem like we want to go that route.


I checked a Knight/Len for Noel trade just to see what Sixers fans thought viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1456571&start=18#start_here