If Brandon Knight was on the block could he currently net us an unprotected pick from a likely lottery team?

[bwgood77]

I had a discussion regarding this where someone thought we could get an unprotected pick from a likely lottery team for him. I thought there is pretty much no chance on that. Just wondering if I am way off base here.

For the record, I'd like to see how the season starts out and see how he does, but would trade him if it was in what I consider a worthy deal.

[saintEscaton]

Yeah I'm sure Colangelo would give us back that Lakers pick. Knight is only a year older than Kyrie, he could have a similiar career trajectory and end up being just as good /s

[bwgood77]

Yeah I'm sure Colangelo would give us back that Lakers pick. Knight is only a year older than Kyrie, he could have a similiar career trajectory and end up being just as good /s

Well it's still not unprotected. He'd have to wait until it was protected next draft, and then decide to deal it when it became unprotected.

[lilfishi22]

I think it's possible. But it would be unprotected because it's not likely to be a lotto pick

[letsgosuns]

I said an unprotected pick from the Magic, not an unprotected pick in general. I specifically said it depends on the team that trades for him. The Magic won 37 games last year and with their additions, they should be at least as good as last year, if not much with improved with Ibaka. It is not like I said the Suns could trade Knight to 76ers, Lakers, or Celtics (own the Nets pick), and those teams would give the Suns their unprotected picks for Knight. That is nuts. I expect the Magic to have the 8th pick at worst. Knight himself was picked number 8 in 2011. Please do not act as if I said an unprotected pick from any team in the league. Vegas currently has the Magic pegged as having the 9th worst odds in the league to win the championship. So obviously that slots them right now as the 9th pick of the 2017 draft according to the oddsmakers.

[asudevil]

I feel like we are asking two questions.

a.) unprotected pick? Of course. In a world where Cleveland/GS/SA and other lock-for-the-playoffs teams need a PG/SG to come off the bench, then yeah, i could an unprotected pick changing hands.....because well, the pick is not going to be good.

b.) unprotected pick from a likely lotto team? No. Knight is a player that a team add when they either have an established core, or are looking for that last little piece to solidify a back-court. Lotto teams arent in either realm, so the odds of that happening are zero.

[Damkac]

I think Suns could get next year Warriors unprotected pick for Knight.

[lilfishi22]

Pretty much any team which aren't a lock for the playoffs will add some level of protection to their pick if they were to trade it for Knight, Orlando Magic included. Knight is still a young 20/6 guy on a great contract but he's not a guaranteed difference maker on most teams. We'd be hard pressed to find any team willing to give up an unprotected lotto pick for Knight

[letsgosuns]

Pretty much any team which aren't a lock for the playoffs will add some level of protection to their pick if they were to trade it for Knight, Orlando Magic included. Knight is still a young 20/6 guy on a great contract but he's not a guaranteed difference maker on most teams. We'd be hard pressed to find any team willing to give up an unprotected lotto pick for Knight

Well I said in the offseason thread that if they said no to it being unprotected then I would say top-3 protected.

[LV-Suns]

We got a top-9 pick for Kieff and he was a total malcontent all season. I think we can at least get that, top 5 protected best case scenario. Any GM that gives out unprotected picks needs to be fired immediately.

[bwgood77]

I think it's possible. But it would be unprotected because it's not likely to be a lotto pick

Well I was thinking a team like Cleveland or GS would do it if they needed him but they don't and are way over the cap anyway.

In the case you are talking about, I'd rather have, say a top 10 protected pick from a likely non playoff team that still might be fairly close to the playoffs plus a couple of useful players.

[bwgood77]

I think Suns could get next year Warriors unprotected pick for Knight.

I don't because they couldn't trade for him being capped out. Not only that but I don't think they'd want him.

[bwgood77]

Pretty much any team which aren't a lock for the playoffs will add some level of protection to their pick if they were to trade it for Knight, Orlando Magic included. Knight is still a young 20/6 guy on a great contract but he's not a guaranteed difference maker on most teams. We'd be hard pressed to find any team willing to give up an unprotected lotto pick for Knight

I guess if you view his 20/6 on 17 shots and 4 turnovers as valuable then he's an ok player. He's never averaged either 20 or 6 though.

[jcsunsfan]

If the team is likely to be in the lottery, the pick would be protected. I don't think there is any question of that. Top 3-5 at least.

[lilfishi22]

Pretty much any team which aren't a lock for the playoffs will add some level of protection to their pick if they were to trade it for Knight, Orlando Magic included. Knight is still a young 20/6 guy on a great contract but he's not a guaranteed difference maker on most teams. We'd be hard pressed to find any team willing to give up an unprotected lotto pick for Knight

I guess if you view his 20/6 on 17 shots and 4 turnovers as valuable then he's an ok player. He's never averaged either 20 or 6 though.

20/5 my mistake

I'm not saying he's as valuable as his stats show he is but he does have value, especially if a team is desperate for some scoring at the guard position. And his value doesn't just come from his 20/5, his value is also in his youth, his great contract and his attitude. I might not like what he brings on the court but he's a professional, he works hard, he seem to be squeaky clean off the court and he's a good guy the have in the locker room.

[lilfishi22]

I think it's possible. But it would be unprotected because it's not likely to be a lotto pick

Well I was thinking a team like Cleveland or GS would do it if they needed him but they don't and are way over the cap anyway.

In the case you are talking about, I'd rather have, say a top 10 protected pick from a likely non playoff team that still might be fairly close to the playoffs plus a couple of useful players.

100%. I'd much rather have a protected pick from a likely non-playoff team. Giving up Knight for a 'guaranteed' 20-30 pick seems to be a steal for the other team, especially when that team is likely close to getting over the edge with Knight acquisition.

[bwgood77]

Pretty much any team which aren't a lock for the playoffs will add some level of protection to their pick if they were to trade it for Knight, Orlando Magic included. Knight is still a young 20/6 guy on a great contract but he's not a guaranteed difference maker on most teams. We'd be hard pressed to find any team willing to give up an unprotected lotto pick for Knight

I guess if you view his 20/6 on 17 shots and 4 turnovers as valuable then he's an ok player. He's never averaged either 20 or 6 though.

20/5 my mistake

I'm not saying he's as valuable as his stats show he is but he does have value, especially if a team is desperate for some scoring at the guard position. And his value doesn't just come from his 20/5, his value is also in his youth, his great contract and his attitude. I might not like what he brings on the court but he's a professional, he works hard, he seem to be squeaky clean off the court and he's a good guy the have in the locker room.

I hope he can get better, but the last two years he's been traded and been out with injuries for for quite a bit of the time we've had him, and hasn't posted particularly good numbers if you dig at all deeper than the surface. I think as time goes on with the new cap, his value will rise, but picks and rookie contracts value have probably risen more than his value will, so despite another poster bringing up trades that may have happened in the old cap era, I think things have changed in relation to how highly teams will value picks and rookie contracts.

Hopefully he plays well enough this year to where he does have decent trade value so if we feel we have enough firepower at the guard position we can trade him if there is a worthy offer.

[lilfishi22]

I guess if you view his 20/6 on 17 shots and 4 turnovers as valuable then he's an ok player. He's never averaged either 20 or 6 though.

20/5 my mistake

I'm not saying he's as valuable as his stats show he is but he does have value, especially if a team is desperate for some scoring at the guard position. And his value doesn't just come from his 20/5, his value is also in his youth, his great contract and his attitude. I might not like what he brings on the court but he's a professional, he works hard, he seem to be squeaky clean off the court and he's a good guy the have in the locker room.

I hope he can get better, but the last two years he's been traded and been out with injuries for for quite a bit of the time we've had him, and hasn't posted particularly good numbers if you dig at all deeper than the surface. I think as time goes on with the new cap, his value will rise, but picks and rookie contracts value have probably risen more than his value will, so despite another poster bringing up trades that may have happened in the old cap era, I think things have changed in relation to how highly teams will value picks and rookie contracts.

Hopefully he plays well enough this year to where he does have decent trade value so if we feel we have enough firepower at the guard position we can trade him if there is a worthy offer.

That's a great point which I've not taken into account.

[MrMiyagi]

20/5 my mistake

I'm not saying he's as valuable as his stats show he is but he does have value, especially if a team is desperate for some scoring at the guard position. And his value doesn't just come from his 20/5, his value is also in his youth, his great contract and his attitude. I might not like what he brings on the court but he's a professional, he works hard, he seem to be squeaky clean off the court and he's a good guy the have in the locker room.

I hope he can get better, but the last two years he's been traded and been out with injuries for for quite a bit of the time we've had him, and hasn't posted particularly good numbers if you dig at all deeper than the surface. I think as time goes on with the new cap, his value will rise, but picks and rookie contracts value have probably risen more than his value will, so despite another poster bringing up trades that may have happened in the old cap era, I think things have changed in relation to how highly teams will value picks and rookie contracts.

Hopefully he plays well enough this year to where he does have decent trade value so if we feel we have enough firepower at the guard position we can trade him if there is a worthy offer.

That's a great point which I've not taken into account.

But have vets on good deals risen in value proportionally to rookies - especially with the level of rawness rookies have? There is always a team who'd rather trade a lottery pick for a more proven player because they think they're close to a playoff push. Not to mention talks of a new CBA. Will rookies get bigger contracts and will it happen before next year's draft?

[bwgood77]

I hope he can get better, but the last two years he's been traded and been out with injuries for for quite a bit of the time we've had him, and hasn't posted particularly good numbers if you dig at all deeper than the surface. I think as time goes on with the new cap, his value will rise, but picks and rookie contracts value have probably risen more than his value will, so despite another poster bringing up trades that may have happened in the old cap era, I think things have changed in relation to how highly teams will value picks and rookie contracts.

Hopefully he plays well enough this year to where he does have decent trade value so if we feel we have enough firepower at the guard position we can trade him if there is a worthy offer.

That's a great point which I've not taken into account.

But have vets on good deals risen in value proportionally to rookies - especially with the level of rawness rookies have? There is always a team who'd rather trade a lottery pick for a more proven player because they think they're close to a playoff push. Not to mention talks of a new CBA. Will rookies get bigger contracts and will it happen before next year's draft?

I think a guy like Knight's value has certainly risen with the rising cap, but I still don't think it has risen as much as picks have, especially when so many teams have gone on spending sprees. I think a desperate team that may need shooters like Philly or Brooklyn may trade something for him, but I doubt Philly would give up a pick that isn't heavily protected and Brooklyn is probably unlikely to trade a pick (due to their screw up in the past) and can't for some time anyway. In general most of the GMs that have given up those kinds of picks have since been fired and I doubt new GMs will be in any hurry to trade picks away unless they are getting back a premier player.

I doubt in the new CBA that the players union will focus or care much about rookie contracts because it doesn't impact them. They will be focused more on the overall share of money players get and the premier players will want the max salaries to be raised to a higher percentage of the cap. It's unlikely they will be fighting or focusing much on the rookies of the future.