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SportsCenter twenty-five years ago this evening, Craig Kilborn on the call (note that he confuses Wesley Person for Elliot Perry during the highlight):

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Post#108 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 21, 2020 3:29 pm

I'm not sure about Walter Davis over Marion here...probably best to leave Amare out but that would really be small ball, even though maybe best five players. If Alvan Adams kept up his rookie stats, he'd be hard to leave out too.

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Post#109 » by ATTL » Mon May 25, 2020 11:56 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I'm not sure about Walter Davis over Marion here...probably best to leave Amare out but that would really be small ball, even though maybe best five players. If Alvan Adams kept up his rookie stats, he'd be hard to leave out too.

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If we're just picking like all nba teams then KJ should be there to it if we're picking to make a cohesive unit then davis should probably get in over kj at the 2.

Amare was kind of like tom chambers but somehow a better rebounder.

If booker has any success as a sun then he will probably make it at the two.

15 years from now I predict this being the team.
Nash
Booker
Marion
Barkley
Ayton

Barring injury or suspension/ban it's hard for me to see ayton not passing amare as a player.
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Post#110 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 26, 2020 1:37 am

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bwgood77 wrote:I'm not sure about Walter Davis over Marion here...probably best to leave Amare out but that would really be small ball, even though maybe best five players. If Alvan Adams kept up his rookie stats, he'd be hard to leave out too.

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If we're just picking like all nba teams then KJ should be there to it if we're picking to make a cohesive unit then davis should probably get in over kj at the 2.

Amare was kind of like tom chambers but somehow a better rebounder.

If booker has any success as a sun then he will probably make it at the two.

15 years from now I predict this being the team.
Nash
Booker
Marion
Barkley
Ayton

Barring injury or suspension/ban it's hard for me to see ayton not passing amare as a player.


KJ is a tough one, because from years 2-4 in the NBA, he destroyed just about any other PG ever with his #s for their years 2-4...then he got the hernia injury, undiagnosed for awhile, causing other injuries, and was never quite the same, though still very good.

Davis is tough too, because it depends on what kind of team you go for...a current times type of team where you need to spread the floor? Because Davis was a pure scorer, but had no range. He was a good playmaker though.

Or, if you look at it from small ball, I would probably go KJ at the 1, Nash at the 2 (spread the floor better), Davis at the 3, Marion at the 4 and Barkley at the 5.

Now that is really small, but rebounding wouldn't be a problem with Marion and Barkley.....though guarding big teams would. We could probably outscore most teams though.

Amare is a bit like KJ...you take his 3rd year once Nash got there, but even his 2nd (with lesser efficiency but similar overall raw #s), he was an absolute beast. He was still fairly solid after that, but had some other injuries and never was quite the same, and only really lasted another 5-6 years after the microfracture surgery.

If KJ and Amare never get injured, they would be very hard to leave off regardless. I don't think you can leave Marion or Barkley off either....and of course Nash.

Now if you think that Barkley only played 4 years here and leave him off, that opens up other options.
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Post#111 » by cberry78 » Tue May 26, 2020 2:42 am

Personally, my top 5 would be:
Nash-Booker-Marion-Barkley-Amare

Followed by:
KJ-Westphal-Davis-Nance-Ayton

....and probably Chambers, Hornacek, and Adams to round out the rest of the roster. :dontknow:
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Post#112 » by ATTL » Tue May 26, 2020 4:30 am

bwgood77 wrote:
ATTL wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I'm not sure about Walter Davis over Marion here...probably best to leave Amare out but that would really be small ball, even though maybe best five players. If Alvan Adams kept up his rookie stats, he'd be hard to leave out too.

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If we're just picking like all nba teams then KJ should be there to it if we're picking to make a cohesive unit then davis should probably get in over kj at the 2.

Amare was kind of like tom chambers but somehow a better rebounder.

If booker has any success as a sun then he will probably make it at the two.

15 years from now I predict this being the team.
Nash
Booker
Marion
Barkley
Ayton

Barring injury or suspension/ban it's hard for me to see ayton not passing amare as a player.


KJ is a tough one, because from years 2-4 in the NBA, he destroyed just about any other PG ever with his #s for their years 2-4...then he got the hernia injury, undiagnosed for awhile, causing other injuries, and was never quite the same, though still very good.

Davis is tough too, because it depends on what kind of team you go for...a current times type of team where you need to spread the floor? Because Davis was a pure scorer, but had no range. He was a good playmaker though.

Or, if you look at it from small ball, I would probably go KJ at the 1, Nash at the 2 (spread the floor better), Davis at the 3, Marion at the 4 and Barkley at the 5.

Now that is really small, but rebounding wouldn't be a problem with Marion and Barkley.....though guarding big teams would. We could probably outscore most teams though.

Amare is a bit like KJ...you take his 3rd year once Nash got there, but even his 2nd (with lesser efficiency but similar overall raw #s), he was an absolute beast. He was still fairly solid after that, but had some other injuries and never was quite the same, and only really lasted another 5-6 years after the microfracture surgery.

If KJ and Amare never get injured, they would be very hard to leave off regardless. I don't think you can leave Marion or Barkley off either....and of course Nash.

Now if you think that Barkley only played 4 years here and leave him off, that opens up other options.


I think KJ's peak might be higher than Steve's but you need nash shooting in this league right now and our all time team doesn't have much of it.

Kj is really underrated on the general board. He was monstrous on the pre-Barkley suns but people are ranking tim Hathaway over him.
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Post#113 » by DirtyDez » Tue May 26, 2020 6:29 am

GMATCallahan wrote:SportsCenter twenty-five years ago this evening, Craig Kilborn on the call (note that he confuses Wesley Person for Elliot Perry during the highlight):



People talk about Marion as a playoff choker yet Majerle gagged b2b years vs Houston and he was a ROH shoe in. /rant
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Post#114 » by bwgood77 » Tue May 26, 2020 1:41 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
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If we're just picking like all nba teams then KJ should be there to it if we're picking to make a cohesive unit then davis should probably get in over kj at the 2.

Amare was kind of like tom chambers but somehow a better rebounder.

If booker has any success as a sun then he will probably make it at the two.

15 years from now I predict this being the team.
Nash
Booker
Marion
Barkley
Ayton

Barring injury or suspension/ban it's hard for me to see ayton not passing amare as a player.


KJ is a tough one, because from years 2-4 in the NBA, he destroyed just about any other PG ever with his #s for their years 2-4...then he got the hernia injury, undiagnosed for awhile, causing other injuries, and was never quite the same, though still very good.

Davis is tough too, because it depends on what kind of team you go for...a current times type of team where you need to spread the floor? Because Davis was a pure scorer, but had no range. He was a good playmaker though.

Or, if you look at it from small ball, I would probably go KJ at the 1, Nash at the 2 (spread the floor better), Davis at the 3, Marion at the 4 and Barkley at the 5.

Now that is really small, but rebounding wouldn't be a problem with Marion and Barkley.....though guarding big teams would. We could probably outscore most teams though.

Amare is a bit like KJ...you take his 3rd year once Nash got there, but even his 2nd (with lesser efficiency but similar overall raw #s), he was an absolute beast. He was still fairly solid after that, but had some other injuries and never was quite the same, and only really lasted another 5-6 years after the microfracture surgery.

If KJ and Amare never get injured, they would be very hard to leave off regardless. I don't think you can leave Marion or Barkley off either....and of course Nash.

Now if you think that Barkley only played 4 years here and leave him off, that opens up other options.


I think KJ's peak might be higher than Steve's but you need nash shooting in this league right now and our all time team doesn't have much of it.

Kj is really underrated on the general board. He was monstrous on the pre-Barkley suns but people are ranking tim Hathaway over him.


Yeah, his peak was higher and he was dominating an almost prime Magic when he hit is stride in 88-89 and took guys who hadn't done much, or young guys to two WCF before Barkley arrived (and Barkley only made one WCF with the Suns). You are right about shooting, but KJ was a great shooter, and could be running a fast break, pull up, and hit a mid range jumper.

He shot over 50% from the field for a number of years.....I fully believe if the 3 pointer was embraced and used as much as it is today, in the late 80s and first couple years of the 90s, he would have shot it well...worked on his game to incorporate it. Barkley couldn't really hit them either.
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Post#115 » by Barkley6 » Wed May 27, 2020 2:39 pm

I think the biggest issue I had with the SSOL teams was the offseason of 2006. We added nothing in the draft (gave up Rajon Rondo). And signed terrible free agents highlighted by Marcus Banks. Other additions were Jumaine Jones, Eric Piatkowski and Jalen Rose.

But the bigger issue was not re-signing Tim Thomas who had been a vital cog in our playoff run and who indicated his desire to return to Phoenix at the end of the season. With Amare Stoudemire returned to health, the Suns went 61-21 that season before bowing out to the Spurs in THAT series.

Having looked back at the available talent it was quite possibly the worst free agent class ever. I mean its a real pupu platter. But had the Suns simply re-signed Tm Thomas instead of adding Marcus Banks to that awful contract...our rotation would have looked like this:
Nash-Barbosa
Bell
Diaw-James Jones
Marion-Tim Thomas
Stoudemire-Kurt Thomas

Now, even if the suspensions still happen, having Tim Thomas to fill in at PF would have been a huge benefit and MAYBE we squeak that series out. Having him throughout the season maybe means we have a better record. Maybe we don't win it all that year, but keeping that same group and adding Grant Hill the next season....2007 is almost definitely a championship year.

That summer of 2006 totally screwed us.
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Post#116 » by DirtyDez » Wed May 27, 2020 7:30 pm

Barkley6 wrote:I think the biggest issue I had with the SSOL teams was the offseason of 2006. We added nothing in the draft (gave up Rajon Rondo). And signed terrible free agents highlighted by Marcus Banks. Other additions were Jumaine Jones, Eric Piatkowski and Jalen Rose.

But the bigger issue was not re-signing Tim Thomas who had been a vital cog in our playoff run and who indicated his desire to return to Phoenix at the end of the season. With Amare Stoudemire returned to health, the Suns went 61-21 that season before bowing out to the Spurs in THAT series.

Having looked back at the available talent it was quite possibly the worst free agent class ever. I mean its a real pupu platter. But had the Suns simply re-signed Tm Thomas instead of adding Marcus Banks to that awful contract...our rotation would have looked like this:
Nash-Barbosa
Bell
Diaw-James Jones
Marion-Tim Thomas
Stoudemire-Kurt Thomas

Now, even if the suspensions still happen, having Tim Thomas to fill in at PF would have been a huge benefit and MAYBE we squeak that series out. Having him throughout the season maybe means we have a better record. Maybe we don't win it all that year, but keeping that same group and adding Grant Hill the next season....2007 is almost definitely a championship year.

That summer of 2006 totally screwed us.


Re-sign Tim Thomas?? C’mon we needed money for Marcus Banks!!
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Post#117 » by GMATCallahan » Mon Jun 1, 2020 5:55 am

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GMATCallahan wrote:SportsCenter twenty-five years ago this evening, Craig Kilborn on the call (note that he confuses Wesley Person for Elliot Perry during the highlight):



People talk about Marion as a playoff choker yet Majerle gagged b2b years vs Houston and he was a ROH shoe in. /rant


I was recently reflecting (again) about Marion not being in the Ring of Honor. For someone who spent seven-and-a-half seasons with the Suns (after being drafted by Phoenix), made four All-Star teams, made two All-NBA Third Teams, and played in two Western Conference Finals, his continued omission proves curious to say the least.

In Game Seven of the 1995 Western Conference Semifinals, Majerle had not played in the fourth quarter (he was 1-6 from the field and 0-3 on threes to that point) before head coach Paul Westphal inserted him with 45.3 seconds remaining and the Suns trailing 110-109. Following a timeout, Westphal inserted Majerle to accompany Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, and Wesley Person, as Johnson and Barkley ran a pick-and-roll from the right wing and the Suns spread the court with their three three-point shooters. Kenny Smith, guarding Johnson, went under Barkley's pick, but Johnson penetrated the middle anyway and then leapt in the air. When he went up, so did Hakeem Olajuwon, creating just enough of a passing lane for K.J. to slip the ball to Barkley in the middle of the paint. Sir Charles, playing with torn cartilage in his left knee (an injury suffered in the third quarter in Game Six in Houston), brought the ball to the floor for one dribble as Robert Horry and Clyde Drexler both collapsed from the perimeter, leaving both Majerle and Ainge unguarded. Barkley kicked the ball to Majerle for a good look, but Thunder Dan's trey was long. Barkley tipped the high carom to K.J., who drew the in-the-penalty blocking foul on the cross-matched Horry and tied the score at 110 before finally missing his first free throw in twenty-two attempts. But if Majerle had hit that shot, the Suns may not have traded him to Cleveland the following fall.

The situation proved slightly paradoxical. On the one hand, hitting such an attempt is not easy when you have not played in over eleven minutes of game time (much more in real time). On the other hand, Westphal had gone with the rookie, Person, instead of Majerle to that point in the fourth quarter precisely because Thunder Dan had proved so ineffective in that game (and, more generally, that series). Of Majerle's six Game Seven field goal attempts prior to his ultimate one, he had bricked three three-pointers (coming nowhere near on any of them), made a slashing left-handed layup off a ball-swing assist from Johnson, and had two driving attempts swatted out of bounds from behind (by Robert Horry and Pete Chilcutt, respectively).

It is not as if Person had been hot, either; entering the fourth quarter, he was 1-4 from the field for three points, his one made field goal being a third-quarter trey off a kick-out pass from K.J. (Person would then go 0-2 from the field in the fourth.) But Westphal still felt more confident in him than the veteran Majerle.
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Post#118 » by Barkley6 » Mon Jun 1, 2020 8:01 pm

GMATCallahan wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:
GMATCallahan wrote:SportsCenter twenty-five years ago this evening, Craig Kilborn on the call (note that he confuses Wesley Person for Elliot Perry during the highlight):



People talk about Marion as a playoff choker yet Majerle gagged b2b years vs Houston and he was a ROH shoe in. /rant


I was recently reflecting (again) about Marion not being in the Ring of Honor. For someone who spent seven-and-a-half seasons with the Suns (after being drafted by Phoenix), made four All-Star teams, made two All-NBA Third Teams, and played in two Western Conference Finals, his continued omission proves curious to say the least.

In Game Seven of the 1995 Western Conference Semifinals, Majerle had not played in the fourth quarter (he was 1-6 from the field and 0-3 on threes to that point) before head coach Paul Westphal inserted him with 45.3 seconds remaining and the Suns trailing 110-109. Following a timeout, Westphal inserted Majerle to accompany Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, and Wesley Person, as Johnson and Barkley ran a pick-and-roll from the right wing and the Suns spread the court with their three three-point shooters. Kenny Smith, guarding Johnson, went under Barkley's pick, but Johnson penetrated the middle anyway and then leapt in the air. When he went up, so did Hakeem Olajuwon, creating just enough of a passing lane for K.J. to slip the ball to Barkley in the middle of the paint. Sir Charles, playing with torn cartilage in his left knee (an injury suffered in the third quarter in Game Six in Houston), brought the ball to the floor for one dribble as Robert Horry and Clyde Drexler both collapsed from the perimeter, leaving both Majerle and Ainge unguarded. Barkley kicked the ball to Majerle for a good look, but Thunder Dan's trey was long. Barkley tipped the high carom to K.J., who drew the in-the-penalty blocking foul on the cross-matched Horry and tied the score at 110 before finally missing his first free throw in twenty-two attempts. But if Majerle had hit that shot, the Suns may not have traded him to Cleveland the following fall.

The situation proved slightly paradoxical. On the one hand, hitting such an attempt is not easy when you have not played in over eleven minutes of game time (much more in real time). On the other hand, Westphal had gone with the rookie, Person, instead of Majerle to that point in the fourth quarter precisely because Thunder Dan had proved so ineffective in that game (and, more generally, that series). Of Majerle's six Game Seven field goal attempts prior to his ultimate one, he had bricked three three-pointers (coming nowhere near on any of them), made a slashing left-handed layup off a ball-swing assist from Johnson, and had two driving attempts swatted out of bounds from behind (by Robert Horry and Pete Chilcutt, respectively).

It is not as if Person had been hot, either; entering the fourth quarter, he was 1-4 from the field for three points, his one made field goal being a third-quarter trey off a kick-out pass from K.J. (Person would then go 0-2 from the field in the fourth.) But Westphal still felt more confident in him than the veteran Majerle.


Marion's all time ranks for the Suns:
4th all time in scoring
1st all time in rebounding
3rd all time in blocks
2nd all time in steals
6th all time in games played
2nd all time in minutes played
5th all time in 3 pointers made

How he's not in the Ring of Honor isn't just a head scratcher, it's a crime.
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GMATCallahan wrote:
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GMATCallahan wrote:SportsCenter twenty-five years ago this evening, Craig Kilborn on the call (note that he confuses Wesley Person for Elliot Perry during the highlight):



People talk about Marion as a playoff choker yet Majerle gagged b2b years vs Houston and he was a ROH shoe in. /rant


I was recently reflecting (again) about Marion not being in the Ring of Honor. For someone who spent seven-and-a-half seasons with the Suns (after being drafted by Phoenix), made four All-Star teams, made two All-NBA Third Teams, and played in two Western Conference Finals, his continued omission proves curious to say the least.

In Game Seven of the 1995 Western Conference Semifinals, Majerle had not played in the fourth quarter (he was 1-6 from the field and 0-3 on threes to that point) before head coach Paul Westphal inserted him with 45.3 seconds remaining and the Suns trailing 110-109. Following a timeout, Westphal inserted Majerle to accompany Kevin Johnson, Charles Barkley, Danny Ainge, and Wesley Person, as Johnson and Barkley ran a pick-and-roll from the right wing and the Suns spread the court with their three three-point shooters. Kenny Smith, guarding Johnson, went under Barkley's pick, but Johnson penetrated the middle anyway and then leapt in the air. When he went up, so did Hakeem Olajuwon, creating just enough of a passing lane for K.J. to slip the ball to Barkley in the middle of the paint. Sir Charles, playing with torn cartilage in his left knee (an injury suffered in the third quarter in Game Six in Houston), brought the ball to the floor for one dribble as Robert Horry and Clyde Drexler both collapsed from the perimeter, leaving both Majerle and Ainge unguarded. Barkley kicked the ball to Majerle for a good look, but Thunder Dan's trey was long. Barkley tipped the high carom to K.J., who drew the in-the-penalty blocking foul on the cross-matched Horry and tied the score at 110 before finally missing his first free throw in twenty-two attempts. But if Majerle had hit that shot, the Suns may not have traded him to Cleveland the following fall.

The situation proved slightly paradoxical. On the one hand, hitting such an attempt is not easy when you have not played in over eleven minutes of game time (much more in real time). On the other hand, Westphal had gone with the rookie, Person, instead of Majerle to that point in the fourth quarter precisely because Thunder Dan had proved so ineffective in that game (and, more generally, that series). Of Majerle's six Game Seven field goal attempts prior to his ultimate one, he had bricked three three-pointers (coming nowhere near on any of them), made a slashing left-handed layup off a ball-swing assist from Johnson, and had two driving attempts swatted out of bounds from behind (by Robert Horry and Pete Chilcutt, respectively).

It is not as if Person had been hot, either; entering the fourth quarter, he was 1-4 from the field for three points, his one made field goal being a third-quarter trey off a kick-out pass from K.J. (Person would then go 0-2 from the field in the fourth.) But Westphal still felt more confident in him than the veteran Majerle.


Nice recall although had Danny Manning been healthy it wouldn’t have mattered cause they were unstoppable offensively at full strength. 59 wins with KJ, Barkley and Manning missing a combined 75 games! Granted the league was horribly watered down but they’d be pushing 70 with some injury luck.
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Post#120 » by bwgood77 » Sat Jun 6, 2020 10:24 pm

Marion should absolutely be in the Ring of Honor. Just look at some of his other all time Suns rankings..

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As for game 7 and that Rockets series, that had to be the most brutal series for me ever. Between blowing game 5 at home in OT when we had a 3-1 series lead and then having a tie game near the end of game 7, only for Elie to hit that 3 was extremely brutal.

That was worse for me than the Spurs series and ejections (and I was at that game in SA where Horry hip checked Nash) because that 95 team to me was clearly better than Houston (though I do think the 07 team was better than SA as well). But we had home court advantage, a 3-1 lead with two games at home, nearly won game 5 but blew it in OT, and it wasn't decided until the final minute of game 7 at home.

I do wonder how the team would have done with Cotton as coach instead of Westphal. Cotton was probably the best coach we've had. I know he didn't want to deal with Barkley (or I think that's why he stepped down IIRC..or that was hte impression) but he had so much experience and knew the team and Westphal seemed to just make some questionable decisions. I can't remember who else was there and could have played rather than Majerle. I can see wanting to spread the floor but putting in a guy in game 7 with under a minute who hadn't played in the whole quarter and had been cold prior is questionable to say the least.

I remember when everyone started calling him Blunder Dan.

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