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Post#121 » by LV-Suns » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:51 pm

https://podbay.fm/podcast/934820588/e/1591798260

Pretty good podcast Amin describing what happened after D’Antoni.
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Post#122 » by Mr Puddles » Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:41 pm

Not sure if this is the right place to post this, but here's the story about why McDyess left the suns to go back to Denver after one season.

Offseason memory and a pretty funny video:

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Post#123 » by Mr Puddles » Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:04 pm

Don't think I've seen this yet (quality is not great):




The Suns sweeping the Spurs with Goran Dragic going crazy in the fourth has got to be one of my favorite Suns memories.

Dragic's craftiness in the post has always been a thing of beauty.
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Post#125 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:19 pm

Favorite is probably that Spurs series where they finally beat them, just felt like a monkey off their back. Not as important but I remember really liking that series where they beat the Lakers and Kobe basically pouted and stopped shooting, I hated the Lakers and Kobe.

Worst personally was the Lakers beating them on the Artest put back. It was the day of my grandfathers funeral so just a **** ass day.

Most bizarre Suns related memory: back in 2006 my younger and far more foolish self got a DUI (don't drink and drive it's bad) and had to do 10 days in tent city jail. I was in during the Clippers Suns playoff series and game 3 was a close one, first the guards were broadcasting the radio sound over the loud speakers but they stopped in the 4th Q so one of the inmates got on a payphone with his girlfriend and relayed the game play by play for the last 4 minutes of that game with a crowd of about 50 of us. It was absolutely surreal and half the time his girlfriend didn't know the players names who had scored so we could just get a 'tall skinny dude made a shot' and stuff like that. I'll definitely never forget that game.
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Post#126 » by bwgood77 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:21 pm

Sums/Knicks brawl.

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GMATCallahan wrote:Remarkably, K.J. never missed a game due to the hernia in '93-'94 for the Suns or for Dream Team II in the summer of 1994.


KJ didn't really back down from anything.
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Post#130 » by Bogyo » Sat Jan 2, 2021 7:55 pm

Damn. :( He was one of the good guys.
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Post#131 » by BobbieL » Sat Jan 2, 2021 8:10 pm

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RIP Coach Paul Westphal. Ring of Honor as Player and Coach

"....We are going to LA and will win Game 3. Than win Game 4. Finally will come back to Phoenix, win Game 5 and everybody will say it was a helluva series..."


I think I have the quote right
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Post#132 » by ChrisInAZ » Sat Jan 2, 2021 10:31 pm

BobbieL wrote:
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RIP Coach Paul Westphal. Ring of Honor as Player and Coach

"....We are going to LA and will win Game 3. Than win Game 4. Finally will come back to Phoenix, win Game 5 and everybody will say it was a helluva series..."


I think I have the quote right


Here you have it. At the 2 minute mark
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Post#133 » by BobbieL » Sat Jan 2, 2021 10:39 pm

ChrisInAZ wrote:
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RIP Coach Paul Westphal. Ring of Honor as Player and Coach

"....We are going to LA and will win Game 3. Than win Game 4. Finally will come back to Phoenix, win Game 5 and everybody will say it was a helluva series..."


I think I have the quote right


Here you have it. At the 2 minute mark


Thanks for posting - sad day for Suns Nation and the NBA

His wife posted on Facebook many photos of players and others stopping by to see him: Majerle, Chambers, Leander, Barkley, Alvan Adams - and recently Monty Williams. Nice story about Monty- Westphals wife had to cancel an visit with Monty and Westy as she was sick so Monty stopped by the store and bought her a bunch of cold remedy stuff.
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Post#134 » by ChrisInAZ » Sat Jan 2, 2021 10:59 pm

Westy is in my Suns Ring of Honor... and mine is rather small.

His heroics in the (not so talked about or watched ) 3rd OT of the 76 Boston series, were amazing. Almost got the Suns a victory.

Super cool and very intellectual guy beyond his basketball where-with-all, from what I could glean

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Post#135 » by Frank Lee » Sun Jan 3, 2021 12:05 am

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Stumbled across this gem as Westy is being remembered


Also CinAZ, I still have to choke em back watching this .... Mussberger with the call ... on CBS :wink:




such an emotional beat down for a young fan, the all time worst for me. Really set the tone for the next 4+ decades of Sunsmenship.

Westphal was such a likable player ...
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Post#136 » by bwgood77 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:09 pm

Damn, Elliot Perry was a pretty good backup PG.

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He also had 6 steals.

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Post#137 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:32 pm

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I remember that huge 31-4 start but once Nash got injured the team was incapable of winning without him. Think their 5 year record without Nash playing was 11 and 28.


If we would have taken Rondo in 2006 it probably would have been better most of those years.


I doubt it. The way D'Antoni felt about rookies? No way.

I kind of think we are still paying a little bit for the lack of talent development during that era. We were so reliant on free agency that once our core had aged and moved on we had no one to transition to.

And then the dark years came....


He liked Barbosa and I think Diaw was a rookie or 2nd year guy when we go him. Banks was a dumb signing though. Of course the biggest both was not taking Iguodala, and signing Q instead....signing Q ultimately cost us 2 draft picks too (3 if you count Iggy), because you could see we would be near the cap, so even though we traded Q for Kurt Thomas, we eventually had to dump Thomas which cost us 2 picks.
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Post#138 » by Barkley6 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:07 pm

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If we would have taken Rondo in 2006 it probably would have been better most of those years.


I doubt it. The way D'Antoni felt about rookies? No way.

I kind of think we are still paying a little bit for the lack of talent development during that era. We were so reliant on free agency that once our core had aged and moved on we had no one to transition to.

And then the dark years came....


He liked Barbosa and I think Diaw was a rookie or 2nd year guy when we go him. Banks was a dumb signing though. Of course the biggest both was not taking Iguodala, and signing Q instead....signing Q ultimately cost us 2 draft picks too (3 if you count Iggy), because you could see we would be near the cap, so even though we traded Q for Kurt Thomas, we eventually had to dump Thomas which cost us 2 picks.


Yup. Which cost us Serge Ibaka.

Imagine if we'd have had Iggy on those SSOL teams. And then if we'd added Ibaka in 2008.

He did like Barbosa, but Diaw was a little bit of a necessity being the mother of invention. If Amare doesn't get hurt, there's no telling what might have happened with Diaw that year.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but we made so many bad GM moves those years....we could really have been a dynasty.

2004 offseason we draft Iggy and don't sign Q.
2005 offseason, we re-sign JJ, we sign Raja Bell, 2nd round we draft and keep Gortat. We make the trade for James Jones. We add Tim Thomas in the buy out market that year.
2006 offseason we re-sign Tim Thomas with the Marcus Banks money, and draft Rajon Rondo.
2007 offseason draft and keep Rudy Fernandez, trade the Alando Tucker pick. Add Grant Hill on the BAE.

At that point our roster is not only stacked at the top but deep as hell.

Nash-Barbosa-Rondo
JJ-Bell-Fernandez
Iggy-Hill-JJ
Marion-Tim Thomas
Amare-Gortat

We were THIS close to having that roster. I mean none of those are WILD moves or would have been head scratchers at the time. It also wouldn't have hurt our cap that much either, because Iggy, Gortat, Rondo and Fernandez would have all been on rookie deals for that 4 season span.

AND you would have had a core moving into the next era (2010 on) of Rondo, JJ, Iggy and Gortat. Which would have definitely been the basis for a playoff team.
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Post#139 » by bwgood77 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:12 pm

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I doubt it. The way D'Antoni felt about rookies? No way.

I kind of think we are still paying a little bit for the lack of talent development during that era. We were so reliant on free agency that once our core had aged and moved on we had no one to transition to.

And then the dark years came....


He liked Barbosa and I think Diaw was a rookie or 2nd year guy when we go him. Banks was a dumb signing though. Of course the biggest both was not taking Iguodala, and signing Q instead....signing Q ultimately cost us 2 draft picks too (3 if you count Iggy), because you could see we would be near the cap, so even though we traded Q for Kurt Thomas, we eventually had to dump Thomas which cost us 2 picks.


Yup. Which cost us Serge Ibaka.

Imagine if we'd have had Iggy on those SSOL teams. And then if we'd added Ibaka in 2008.

He did like Barbosa, but Diaw was a little bit of a necessity being the mother of invention. If Amare doesn't get hurt, there's no telling what might have happened with Diaw that year.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but we made so many bad GM moves those years....we could really have been a dynasty.

2004 offseason we draft Iggy and don't sign Q.
2005 offseason, we re-sign JJ, we sign Raja Bell, 2nd round we draft and keep Gortat. We make the trade for James Jones. We add Tim Thomas in the buy out market that year.
2006 offseason we re-sign Tim Thomas with the Marcus Banks money, and draft Rajon Rondo.
2007 offseason draft and keep Rudy Fernandez, trade the Alando Tucker pick. Add Grant Hill on the BAE.

At that point our roster is not only stacked at the top but deep as hell.

Nash-Barbosa-Rondo
JJ-Bell-Fernandez
Iggy-Hill-JJ
Marion-Tim Thomas
Amare-Gortat

We were THIS close to having that roster. I mean none of those are WILD moves or would have been head scratchers at the time. It also wouldn't have hurt our cap that much either, because Iggy, Gortat, Rondo and Fernandez would have all been on rookie deals for that 4 season span.

AND you would have had a core moving into the next era (2010 on) of Rondo, JJ, Iggy and Gortat. Which would have definitely been the basis for a playoff team.


If you don't sign Q to that dumb bit contract, you can extend JJ in 2004 and where they were only $5 million off over 6 years...you have him through 2009-10....since Iggy is only a rookie deal. This was partly Colangelo's fault for signing Q though.

But between JJ and Iggy I think our ballhandling is fine if Nash is out...and our defense is far better with Iggy instead of Q.
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Post#140 » by Barkley6 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:18 pm

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He liked Barbosa and I think Diaw was a rookie or 2nd year guy when we go him. Banks was a dumb signing though. Of course the biggest both was not taking Iguodala, and signing Q instead....signing Q ultimately cost us 2 draft picks too (3 if you count Iggy), because you could see we would be near the cap, so even though we traded Q for Kurt Thomas, we eventually had to dump Thomas which cost us 2 picks.


Yup. Which cost us Serge Ibaka.

Imagine if we'd have had Iggy on those SSOL teams. And then if we'd added Ibaka in 2008.

He did like Barbosa, but Diaw was a little bit of a necessity being the mother of invention. If Amare doesn't get hurt, there's no telling what might have happened with Diaw that year.

Obviously hindsight is 20/20, but we made so many bad GM moves those years....we could really have been a dynasty.

2004 offseason we draft Iggy and don't sign Q.
2005 offseason, we re-sign JJ, we sign Raja Bell, 2nd round we draft and keep Gortat. We make the trade for James Jones. We add Tim Thomas in the buy out market that year.
2006 offseason we re-sign Tim Thomas with the Marcus Banks money, and draft Rajon Rondo.
2007 offseason draft and keep Rudy Fernandez, trade the Alando Tucker pick. Add Grant Hill on the BAE.

At that point our roster is not only stacked at the top but deep as hell.

Nash-Barbosa-Rondo
JJ-Bell-Fernandez
Iggy-Hill-JJ
Marion-Tim Thomas
Amare-Gortat

We were THIS close to having that roster. I mean none of those are WILD moves or would have been head scratchers at the time. It also wouldn't have hurt our cap that much either, because Iggy, Gortat, Rondo and Fernandez would have all been on rookie deals for that 4 season span.

AND you would have had a core moving into the next era (2010 on) of Rondo, JJ, Iggy and Gortat. Which would have definitely been the basis for a playoff team.


If you don't sign Q to that dumb bit contract, you can extend JJ in 2004 and where they were only $5 million off over 6 years...you have him through 2009-10....since Iggy is only a rookie deal. This was partly Colangelo's fault for signing Q though.

But between JJ and Iggy I think our ballhandling is fine if Nash is out...and our defense is far better with Iggy instead of Q.


Fully agree. Q was a good fit for that system, no doubt, but he was a one trick pony. He would have NEVER been signed to that deal in the modern era, he shot 39% overall and 35% from 3 the year before we signed him. He was insanely inefficient averaging 17ppg on 16 shots, 11 of which were from 2 point range.

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