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2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 

Post#1 » by Qwigglez » Thu May 18, 2017 5:45 pm

gaspar wrote:Important dates:

June 12 - NBA Draft early entry entrant withdrawal deadline (5:00 pm ET)
June 22 - NBA Draft (7:00 pm ET), Suns picks: #4, #32 and #54
June 29 - Qualifying offer deadlines for Alex Len ($4,187,599) and Alan Williams ($1,671,382)
July 1-5 - NBA moratorium
July 3 - Leandro Barbosa’s $4 million guarantees for 2017-18 ($500,000 guaranteed)
July 7-17 - Las Vegas Summer League
July 9 - No-trade restriction lifts on Elijah Millsap
October 31 - Extension deadline for T.J. Warren
October 31 - Team options on Devin Booker, Dragan Bender and Marquese Chriss (for 2018-19 season)
January 10, 2018 - Elijah Millsap’s $1,524,305 guarantees for 2017-18
January 10, 2018 – Derrick Jones’ $1,312,611 guarantees for 2017-18


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Post#2 » by Frank Lee » Thu May 18, 2017 7:40 pm

Suppose Fox kills it in work outs.... suppose Jackson is gone at 3.... suppose Dallas has a standing offer for Bled for #9 and DPowell.... suppose we have no intention of paying Len 12Mill+ per year....

what do you suppose McDo does?

Draft Fox and Collins ??? Or even Jackson available at 4... take JJ and FrankNt ? Or stay the course and take Tatum or Isaac?
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Post#3 » by MrMiyagi » Thu May 18, 2017 8:24 pm

Frank Lee wrote:Suppose Fox kills it in work outs.... suppose Jackson is gone at 3.... suppose Dallas has a standing offer for Bled for #9 and DPowell.... suppose we have no intention of paying Len 12Mill+ per year....

what do you suppose McDo does?

Draft Fox and Collins ??? Or even Jackson available at 4... take JJ and FrankNt ? Or stay the course and take Tatum or Isaac?

I honestly don't think we need to draft a point guard, and if we real want one, there are some just as interesting prospects projected in the late first/early second (Jawun Evans, Edmond Sumner, Frank Jackson and Mason, Nigel Williams-Goss). I'd rather keep Bledsoe than trade him and draft a point guard early.

In my mind, we've got a perfect blend going right now, and I don't want to swing one way (too young) or the other (too old).
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Post#4 » by bhawk » Thu May 18, 2017 9:08 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Suppose Fox kills it in work outs.... suppose Jackson is gone at 3.... suppose Dallas has a standing offer for Bled for #9 and DPowell.... suppose we have no intention of paying Len 12Mill+ per year....

what do you suppose McDo does?

Draft Fox and Collins ??? Or even Jackson available at 4... take JJ and FrankNt ? Or stay the course and take Tatum or Isaac?

I honestly don't think we need to draft a point guard, and if we real want one, there are some just as interesting prospects projected in the late first/early second (Jawun Evans, Edmond Sumner, Frank Jackson and Mason, Nigel Williams-Goss). I'd rather keep Bledsoe than trade him and draft a point guard early.

In my mind, we've got a perfect blend going right now, and I don't want to swing one way (too young) or the other (too old).


Bledsoe vs. Fox is like like the devil you know vs. the devil you don't. I don't know if Fox makes the Suns better long term. I know Fox's knees are better, he is younger, he is passionate, his is a great defender at 175lbs, he is cheaper and can "grow-up" with Booker in the Suns org. I also know that our record shows that Bled + Book did NOT work.

While I am not decided, if you can get #8 from NY for Bledsoe - maybe we do it? Draft Fox or Smith at #4 then add another nice piece at #8. To me, Bledsoe just doesn't have IT... whatever IT is.
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Post#5 » by MathiasPW » Thu May 18, 2017 10:31 pm

bhawk wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:Suppose Fox kills it in work outs.... suppose Jackson is gone at 3.... suppose Dallas has a standing offer for Bled for #9 and DPowell.... suppose we have no intention of paying Len 12Mill+ per year....

what do you suppose McDo does?

Draft Fox and Collins ??? Or even Jackson available at 4... take JJ and FrankNt ? Or stay the course and take Tatum or Isaac?

I honestly don't think we need to draft a point guard, and if we real want one, there are some just as interesting prospects projected in the late first/early second (Jawun Evans, Edmond Sumner, Frank Jackson and Mason, Nigel Williams-Goss). I'd rather keep Bledsoe than trade him and draft a point guard early.

In my mind, we've got a perfect blend going right now, and I don't want to swing one way (too young) or the other (too old).


Bledsoe vs. Fox is like like the devil you know vs. the devil you don't. I don't know if Fox makes the Suns better long term. I know Fox's knees are better, he is younger, he is passionate, his is a great defender at 175lbs, he is cheaper and can "grow-up" with Booker in the Suns org. I also know that our record shows that Bled + Book did NOT work.

While I am not decided, if you can get #8 from NY for Bledsoe - maybe we do it? Draft Fox or Smith at #4 then add another nice piece at #8. To me, Bledsoe just doesn't have IT... whatever IT is.

Wasnt it more like Bled + Knight didn't work? I ask because my fragile memory says Knight lost us the season, and when he was relegated to the end of the bench we became competitive before shutting Bledsoe down.
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Post#6 » by bhawk » Thu May 18, 2017 10:36 pm

MathiasPW wrote:
bhawk wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:I honestly don't think we need to draft a point guard, and if we real want one, there are some just as interesting prospects projected in the late first/early second (Jawun Evans, Edmond Sumner, Frank Jackson and Mason, Nigel Williams-Goss). I'd rather keep Bledsoe than trade him and draft a point guard early.

In my mind, we've got a perfect blend going right now, and I don't want to swing one way (too young) or the other (too old).


Bledsoe vs. Fox is like like the devil you know vs. the devil you don't. I don't know if Fox makes the Suns better long term. I know Fox's knees are better, he is younger, he is passionate, his is a great defender at 175lbs, he is cheaper and can "grow-up" with Booker in the Suns org. I also know that our record shows that Bled + Book did NOT work.

While I am not decided, if you can get #8 from NY for Bledsoe - maybe we do it? Draft Fox or Smith at #4 then add another nice piece at #8. To me, Bledsoe just doesn't have IT... whatever IT is.

Wasnt it more like Bled + Knight didn't work? I ask because my fragile memory says Knight lost us the season, and when he was relegated to the end of the bench we became competitive before shutting Bledsoe down.


Good point. Knight was a train wreck. Bled and Book did play well for that late season stretch. I'm on the fence... my gut says go with youth and cash in your Bledsoe cards.
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Post#7 » by darealjuice » Thu May 18, 2017 10:50 pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see us move on from Bledsoe for the right offer and take a PG in this draft. There doesn't seem to be the same level of PG talent coming out in the draft over the next few years, and Bledsoe only has 2 years left on his contract before he's on the open market and we have to pay him a lot to stay or we're left empty handed. It would make sense if we tried to capitalize on his health, good contract with 2 years remaining, and great season now, especially because we saw this year that it'll be a hard bargain to make the playoffs even with him playing his best ball.
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Post#8 » by bhawk » Thu May 18, 2017 11:13 pm

darealjuice wrote:I wouldn't be surprised to see us move on from Bledsoe for the right offer and take a PG in this draft. There doesn't seem to be the same level of PG talent coming out in the draft over the next few years, and Bledsoe only has 2 years left on his contract before he's on the open market and we have to pay him a lot to stay or we're left empty handed. It would make sense if we tried to capitalize on his health, good contract with 2 years remaining, and great season now, especially because we saw this year that it'll be a hard bargain to make the playoffs even with him playing his best ball.


Great point. The next few guard classes are not that impressive. Sexton and Duval next year... maybe they turn out, but Fox and Smith are better prospects. Bledsoe on the open market, demanding MAX money... wow. Can you imagine ANOTHER summer of Bledsoe and Rich Paul? No thank you.
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Post#9 » by blee732 » Thu May 18, 2017 11:13 pm

I really like Bled but totally agree that now is the time to trade him. Every day that passes, his value drops a bit more b/c I think he has hit his ceiling and there's less time for teams to benefit from his reasonable contract.

But I'm not a fan of drafting a PG unless it's either Fultz or Ball. Otherwise, I would rather give Knight a chance to win back the starting spot (to increase his trade value so we can finally get rid of him).
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Post#10 » by RaisingArizona » Thu May 18, 2017 11:15 pm

I wish we could get Fox and Issac. Somebody need Bled in the range that Fox may go?
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Post#11 » by Waylay13 » Thu May 18, 2017 11:21 pm

lets be clear on one thing that before Fox is ready to start in the NBA he is going to need to get up to around 200 lbs at the low end; right now he is 170 that is going to take a lot of effort and time. He may end up being a great player but dont think that it is going to happen this year or even next as his game is simply not built to not take contact.
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Post#12 » by bhawk » Thu May 18, 2017 11:43 pm

Waylay13 wrote:lets be clear on one thing that before Fox is ready to start in the NBA he is going to need to get up to around 200 lbs at the low end; right now he is 170 that is going to take a lot of effort and time. He may end up being a great player but dont think that it is going to happen this year or even next as his game is simply not built to not take contact.


He is thin. No doubt. His speed, defense and quickness, however, is elite. John Wall esque? He also (more of less) shut down Lonzo Ball who weighs in at 190lbs. I hate that he can't shoot. Maybe we take the explosive Dennis Smith instead?

I can't see Philly taking Fox for the reasons above. I think our choices at #4 will be one of Jackson or Tatum. If we trade Bledsoe then it could be Fox or Smith. Maybe we pick up Tatum and then trade Bledsoe for #8 and Frank Ntilkitna?
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Post#13 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri May 19, 2017 12:14 am

I like bledsoe but if the knicks offered the 8th pick then of course you take it. Thats not even a question imo.

I think bledsoes trade value is probably a pick somewhere in the teens unfortunately.

It all comes down to the suns comfort level with giving bledsoe another contract. If they are then you keep him. If not then they should probably take what they can get over the next 12 months.

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Post#14 » by Frank Lee » Fri May 19, 2017 1:02 am

Similar thoughts Weeka

There is a lot to like about fox. Elite speed, athleticism, defense. Plus, I really think Ulis can start while this kid adjusts to the big leagues. HE could be the best PG from this draft in a year (plus 15 lbs ;-) )

I just think McDo will be tempted with offers, and he is no stranger to pulling the trigger.
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Post#15 » by bhawk » Fri May 19, 2017 1:34 am

Here is a gem... Fox over Lonzo... maybe Fox DOES get drafted by Philly?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/m/b23c8404-f292-33a2-88e2-0e735d6b975d/ss_drafting-lonzo-ball-ahead-of.html

"Fox heard the comments, and he took Lonzo Ball to the woodshed in Memphis. Fox blazed his way to 39 points and making his opponent look like a clown on defense. Fox shot 13-20 as Lonzo tried his best to defend him. Fox was faster, he was more athletic, and he was able to get to the basket anytime he wanted. In contrast, Ball looked slow and unable to create his own shot against Fox. Ball finished the game with 10 points and a smack to the ego."

"Fox is better... done... end of story.... period. Fox is faster, he’s a better shooter, he has just as good instincts for the game, and he’s a better scorer."
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Post#16 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri May 19, 2017 6:11 am

Getting rid of Bledsoe just about guarantees less than 30 wins and McDonough would most likely be sacked.

Selecting Fox might be the right move but there is no incentive for our GM to do so.

Goes back to ownership strategy why give your roster builder a 1 year extension to build for 3 years time?
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Post#17 » by DaleyBlind » Fri May 19, 2017 6:44 am

Frank Lee wrote:Suppose Fox kills it in work outs.... suppose Jackson is gone at 3.... suppose Dallas has a standing offer for Bled for #9 and DPowell.... suppose we have no intention of paying Len 12Mill+ per year....

what do you suppose McDo does?

Draft Fox and Collins ??? Or even Jackson available at 4... take JJ and FrankNt ? Or stay the course and take Tatum or Isaac?


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Post#18 » by DaleyBlind » Fri May 19, 2017 7:00 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Getting rid of Bledsoe just about guarantees less than 30 wins and McDonough would most likely be sacked.

Selecting Fox might be the right move but there is no incentive for our GM to do so.

Goes back to ownership strategy why give your roster builder a 1 year extension to build for 3 years time?


Why does everyone assume McDonough is going to get sacked when we lose under 30 games next year?? Ive seen it posted on other Suns boards and heard it on 1 particular podcast.

He has us going in the right direction, he has amassed good young talent and drafted possiibly a franchise player.
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Post#19 » by Saberestar » Fri May 19, 2017 8:11 am

Read on Twitter


On another interview he said exactly those five players too and that he wants them to interact with the prospects to see the chemistry and fit.
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Post#20 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Fri May 19, 2017 12:28 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Read on Twitter


On another interview he said exactly those five players too and that he wants them to interact with the prospects to see the chemistry and fit.


Yes. He has also said that Devin wants to be part of the process and Ryan sees that as a good thing and wants prospects to hang out with his core. If Ulis (PG), Devin (SG), TJ (SF), Marquese (PF) and Bender (?) are your guys, who fits? One of them would have to be moved to the bench. I have expressed my thoughts on this a bit - I don't think grabbing another PG works, because Ulis has earned the time - whomever we draft would probably be worse than Ulis for at least a year or two, and you couldn't play Fox or DSJ next to Ulis... it just doesn't work. (Plus, FWIW, I'd take Duval over this year's PG crop, based on what little I've seen). You take Tatum and you're telling TJ he's destined for the bench - right when you're trying to extend him. You're also telling Dragan that he has to play center, despite the fact that it's pretty clear (to me, at least) that he is not a center.

In terms of fit, a lot of that analysis hinges upon Dragan. I think that you could have him supplant TJ in the starting line-up in time without ruffling any feathers, in large part because it's not so utterly predictable than TJ would be benched, as it would be with Tatum, but also because Dragan is multipositional and can play alongside any or all of these guys, and furthermore because Dragan could be used as a super sixth for several years, if that's the best path forward.

If you're going guard, I think you need someone who can play next to either Devin or Ulis. Devin can play small ball 3 or big ball 1, so a shooting guard is not out of the realm of possibility, IMO. If you got a 2/3, that could work also. But a 3/4 would not, because those spots are so completely covered that any time taken by a draftee would be time taken from a core guy. A center would work, since none of our core players imagines himself to be a center.

One problem here is that anyone you draft at 4, everyone will expect to be a starter one day - most importantly, the draftee himself. Certain guys it'll be easier to put on the bench for a while, but others (Jackson, Tatum, DSJ) I don't think could be. So it's delicate.

This thought process, in my mind eliminates pure SFs (Tatum), tweener forwards (Isaac) and pure PGs (Fox, DSJ). Of the top 10 guys, that leaves just Monk, Collins and Ntilikina. But then, Ryan also said that the area where we needed the most improvement was defense. Monk is not a defensive force, but he is also what we wished BK would be - a shooter who works primarily off the ball. Collins has those impressive BP40 numbers, and Ntilikina has those elite defensive tools.

If this comes down to getting Booker's blessing, one way for him to make sure no one feels threatened is to draft a guy who plays primarily his position, since there's no question that Booker is our centerpiece. Monk is also the only one of those three whose range covers our draft slot. It's not as emotionally compelling an argument as **** the Lakers (w/Fox), but I think it is the more complete one. So... how about Monk?

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