Draft Discussion Part 3

JMac1 · Post #1 » by **JMac1** » Tue May 30, 2017 7:12 pm

Issac couldn't dunk until he was a Junior in high school!?! Smh. That dude has zero explosion, unless he was 5'7 when he was a Junior......

Told you guys I didn't like his body. That is my bust pick from this draft.

LukasBMW · Post #2 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue May 30, 2017 7:44 pm

Saberestar wrote:I do not like Jarrett Allen, good measurements but he plays slow and his motor is just mediocre.

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Agree. He does not look any more athletic or faster then Alex Len. That's a problem. LOL.

Saberestar · Post #3 » by **Saberestar** » Tue May 30, 2017 9:24 pm

Read on Twitter

I think that Knight + #54 for Devin Harris ($4.4M T.O.) can be a fair trade for both sides.

NTB · Post #4 » by **NTB** » Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 pm

Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

I think that Knight + #54 for Devin Harris ($4.4M T.O.) can be a fair trade for both sides.

That pick is waay later lol. Dallas would want #32.

Saberestar · Post #5 » by **Saberestar** » Tue May 30, 2017 10:33 pm

NTB wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

Read on Twitter

I think that Knight + #54 for Devin Harris ($4.4M T.O.) can be a fair trade for both sides.

That pick is waay later lol. Dallas would want #32.

Yeah, probably, but I would not trade #32 to just get rid of Knight.

DirtyDez · Post #6 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue May 30, 2017 10:51 pm

JMac1 wrote:Issac couldn't dunk until he was a Junior in high school!?! Smh. That dude has zero explosion, unless he was 5'7 when he was a Junior......

Told you guys I didn't like his body. That is my bust pick from this draft.

That's about as significant as KD not being able to bench his body weight. A lot of these guys are late bloomers. From the USA Today arrival I read on him he was still 6'3" back then.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/98911474/

LukasBMW · Post #7 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue May 30, 2017 11:42 pm

I wonder if the Bulls, Pacers, or Hawks would do #16, #18, or #19 for Brandon Knight? I'll even throw in #54.

So essentially we trade the Laker pick and half of PJ Tucker for a mid 1st. I could live with that...kinda.

AtheJ415 · Post #8 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed May 31, 2017 1:52 am

JMac1 wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
I agree with you as far a BPA, but in this draft at four, who is really BPA? If it's too close to call, you use fit as the deciding factor.....at least I would, with all things prettt much equal. I think that's why Tatum over Fox and DSJ (Jack not falling). Right now Issac is more projection that production, so for me he is a tier below.

Edit: Now Ginobli and Dark has me back on the Fox or DSJ train...... I just gotta stick with Tatum and see PG13

Isaac's advanced stats actually project out the best. He is very productive, just didn't take many shots in college. Produced at everything else though. We don't need a top scorer with this pick when we already have Warren and Booker.

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Advanced stats are cool, however, I like what a player actually did. For me, everything you stated still falls under projection.

What he did actually projects the stats. They aren't made up. They are derived from his actual production in college. It would be like saying 4+3=7 is made up because you had to combine 2 numbers to get the 3rd.

The only thing Isaac did poorly was volume scoring. He scored when he shot the ball, and excelled at everything else.

AtheJ415 · Post #9 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed May 31, 2017 2:19 am

I don't think dumping Knight now is the right move. If we can get a mid-first then do it, but we shouldn't be attaching any of our top 2 picks in this draft or any future 1st to dump him. Reason being, we have plenty of cap space to begin with, and being aggressive in FA makes 0 sense for this team. If we add Blake Griffin/Hayward/etc., we still aren't competing, and even if we want to add them there are better ways to clear that space (trade Chandler, for instance, for a future pick).

Particularly if we are planning on moving Bledsoe, part of the benefit is that it moves Knight up in the rotation, and maybe he quits pouting like a baby and rehabilitates his value enough to get rid of him without attaching something.

darealjuice · Post #10 » by **darealjuice** » Wed May 31, 2017 4:45 am

Read on Twitter

This guy charted NBA 3s for the top guards in the draft. Dame and Curry probably included because of their similarity to DSJ and Lonzo's numbers.

sunsbum · Post #11 » by **sunsbum** » Wed May 31, 2017 4:47 am

Dudes, stop talking about trading Tyson. He's the backbone of this team and still produced quite well.

Saberestar · Post #12 » by **Saberestar** » Wed May 31, 2017 5:36 am

The Suns have no scheduled workouts for the rest of the week.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2017/05/31/phoenix-suns-nba-draft-semi-ojeleye/356859001/

AtheJ415 · Post #13 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed May 31, 2017 6:09 am

sunsbum wrote:Dudes, stop talking about trading Tyson. He's the backbone of this team and still produced quite well.

That's funny because that would explain why this team is slow, broken, and lacking substance aside from 5-6 somewhat promising youngsters. He is the backbone of a horrible team that already has 2 young centers who could develop with increased time and will likely draft another C. He is the leader of the 2nd worst/least promising position group on said horrible team, and was probably outplayed by Alan Williams. If he's the backbone, we should trade him and try to find another backbone.

sunsbum · Post #14 » by **sunsbum** » Wed May 31, 2017 6:24 am

AtheJ415 wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Dudes, stop talking about trading Tyson. He's the backbone of this team and still produced quite well.

That's funny because that would explain why this team is slow, broken, and lacking substance aside from 5-6 somewhat promising youngsters. He is the backbone of a horrible team that already has 2 young centers who could develop with increased time and will likely draft another C. He is the leader of the 2nd worst/least promising position group on said horrible team, and was probably outplayed by Alan Williams. If he's the backbone, we should trade him and try to find another backbone.

No, he's the backbone of a young up and coming team that looks to him for his savy CHAMPIONSHIP knowledge. You could put almost any center in the league on this team for half a year and we'd end up losing close to as many games.

Alex Len isn't going to get better because he's not a great basketball player. Alan Williams is already exactly what Alan Williams is going to be in this league unless he gets a jumpshot.

Devin Booker thinks the world of him, he's a smart kid. Internet guy looks at a young team of 20 y/o's and blames Tyson Chandler. You're silly.

AtheJ415 · Post #15 » by **AtheJ415** » Wed May 31, 2017 6:39 am

sunsbum wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Dudes, stop talking about trading Tyson. He's the backbone of this team and still produced quite well.

That's funny because that would explain why this team is slow, broken, and lacking substance aside from 5-6 somewhat promising youngsters. He is the backbone of a horrible team that already has 2 young centers who could develop with increased time and will likely draft another C. He is the leader of the 2nd worst/least promising position group on said horrible team, and was probably outplayed by Alan Williams. If he's the backbone, we should trade him and try to find another backbone.

No, he's the backbone of a young up and coming team that looks to him for his savy CHAMPIONSHIP knowledge. You could put almost any center in the league on this team for half a year and we'd end up losing close to as many games.

Alex Len isn't going to get better because he's not a great basketball player. Alan Williams is already exactly what Alan Williams is going to be in this league unless he gets a jumpshot.

Devin Booker thinks the world of him, he's a smart kid. Internet guy looks at a young team of 20 y/o's and blames Tyson Chandler. You're silly.

This type of stuff gets said all the time by silly internet fans, and they are wrong quite often. If you want to write off a young player go for it. I won't say a player's potential is decided this early ever.

Also, Alan Williams is exactly what he is and that is already arguably better than Tyson. His DBPM is 4.0 (much higher than Tyson's) and he already rebounds at a better rate than Tyson.

Finally, the real question you ought to ask is Tyson vs. the pick for him in 3-5 years. If you think his leadership is worthwhile, okay, but winning games next year shouldn't be the priority. We aren't ready for that. Our best interest is to continue to develop the youngsters and hope for another high pick.

Zelaznyrules · Post #16 » by **Zelaznyrules** » Wed May 31, 2017 7:08 am

sunsbum wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Dudes, stop talking about trading Tyson. He's the backbone of this team and still produced quite well.

That's funny because that would explain why this team is slow, broken, and lacking substance aside from 5-6 somewhat promising youngsters. He is the backbone of a horrible team that already has 2 young centers who could develop with increased time and will likely draft another C. He is the leader of the 2nd worst/least promising position group on said horrible team, and was probably outplayed by Alan Williams. If he's the backbone, we should trade him and try to find another backbone.

No, he's the backbone of a young up and coming team that looks to him for his savy CHAMPIONSHIP knowledge. You could put almost any center in the league on this team for half a year and we'd end up losing close to as many games.

Alex Len isn't going to get better because he's not a great basketball player. Alan Williams is already exactly what Alan Williams is going to be in this league unless he gets a jumpshot.

Devin Booker thinks the world of him, he's a smart kid. Internet guy looks at a young team of 20 y/o's and blames Tyson Chandler. You're silly.

Tyson really started showing his age last season. We'll, actually he showed it his last season in Dallas but it became even more obvious in the 16/17 season. He's still an effective rebounder but he gives us very little beyond that on the court. I'd say he's reached the point where his locker room and practice value far exceeds his court value. We don't have a pressing need to trade him but he's not starting caliber any more.

sunsbum · Post #17 » by **sunsbum** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:13 am

Zelaznyrules wrote:
sunsbum wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:

That's funny because that would explain why this team is slow, broken, and lacking substance aside from 5-6 somewhat promising youngsters. He is the backbone of a horrible team that already has 2 young centers who could develop with increased time and will likely draft another C. He is the leader of the 2nd worst/least promising position group on said horrible team, and was probably outplayed by Alan Williams. If he's the backbone, we should trade him and try to find another backbone.

No, he's the backbone of a young up and coming team that looks to him for his savy CHAMPIONSHIP knowledge. You could put almost any center in the league on this team for half a year and we'd end up losing close to as many games.

Alex Len isn't going to get better because he's not a great basketball player. Alan Williams is already exactly what Alan Williams is going to be in this league unless he gets a jumpshot.

Devin Booker thinks the world of him, he's a smart kid. Internet guy looks at a young team of 20 y/o's and blames Tyson Chandler. You're silly.

Tyson really started showing his age last season. We'll, actually he showed it his last season in Dallas but it became even more obvious in the 16/17 season. He's still an effective rebounder but he gives us very little beyond that on the court. I'd say he's reached the point where his locker room and practice value far exceeds his court value. We don't have a pressing need to trade him but he's not starting caliber any more.

Yes, I understand Tyson isnt the player he used to be.. He's a former Olympian, NBA Champ and Defensive POY. He knows what it takes to win at the highest level regardless of where his body is now. He's still a great asset as a player but more so as a teamate and hes teaching these kids how to play the right way. Every single one of these young guys are going to be asked the question "who had the biggest influence on your game your first years in the league" You know Tyson Chandlers name will be the first out of every one of their mouths.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #18 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:39 am

Anyone else see that bit by Haller at azcentral - the Suns aren't having any more workouts the rest of the week?

What gives?

Saberestar · Post #19 » by **Saberestar** » Wed May 31, 2017 10:47 am

cosmofizzo wrote:Anyone else see that bit by Haller at azcentral - the Suns aren't having any more workouts the rest of the week?

What gives?

Yeah, it can be true because we are not near the draft day yet.

But we can probably have some "secret" workouts during these days too...IDK.

JoRain · Post #20 » by **JoRain** » Wed May 31, 2017 11:10 am

cosmofizzo wrote:Anyone else see that bit by Haller at azcentral - the Suns aren't having any more workouts the rest of the week?

What gives?

didn't McD said in the interview that this year they are going to try to visit prospects much more rather than inviting them in? could be the rest of the week are planned visits.

Who would you rather have, Jackson or Tatum?