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1UPZ wrote:Good to see Waiters playing to his potential he was a top 5 pick afterall...
By eye test, Josh is a stud. You can tell he gets frustrated when he doesnt get the ball when he has repeatedly shown he can break the defense and create plays or shot for himself or others.... better than the Suns current PG rotation.
And I thought the turnovers were high when he was playing SF!
cosmofizzo wrote:1UPZ wrote:Good to see Waiters playing to his potential he was a top 5 pick afterall...
By eye test, Josh is a stud. You can tell he gets frustrated when he doesnt get the ball when he has repeatedly shown he can break the defense and create plays or shot for himself or others.... better than the Suns current PG rotation.
Josh at PG?
Josh is a SF who can play SG. That's about it I think.
1UPZ wrote:Josh Jackson has shown he can dribble and is quick enough to blow pass many... many players.
Practice more dribbling and with a play maker mentality... and you have a Point Forward Shut Down defender.... who is not bad at the 3pt also... he can only get better if he keeps at it... and Josh has the competitive nature to get better.
gaspar wrote:1UPZ wrote:Josh Jackson has shown he can dribble and is quick enough to blow pass many... many players.
Practice more dribbling and with a play maker mentality... and you have a Point Forward Shut Down defender.... who is not bad at the 3pt also... he can only get better if he keeps at it... and Josh has the competitive nature to get better.
When? Surely not in his short NBA career. I've seen a lot of Archie Goodwin in his game so far. A lot of dribbling that doesn't get him anywhere because no one respects his jumpshot and a lot of out of control drives that result in a turnover or a blocked shot.
I'm not sure why people want to jerk him around so much. He started the season as a PF, then he was moved to SF, now people want him be a PG. Let him learn how to play his natural SF position first and then we can think about trying something else.
bwgood77 wrote:gaspar wrote:1UPZ wrote:Josh Jackson has shown he can dribble and is quick enough to blow pass many... many players.
Practice more dribbling and with a play maker mentality... and you have a Point Forward Shut Down defender.... who is not bad at the 3pt also... he can only get better if he keeps at it... and Josh has the competitive nature to get better.
When? Surely not in his short NBA career. I've seen a lot of Archie Goodwin in his game so far. A lot of dribbling that doesn't get him anywhere because no one respects his jumpshot and a lot of out of control drives that result in a turnover or a blocked shot.
I'm not sure why people want to jerk him around so much. He started the season as a PF, then he was moved to SF, now people want him be a PG. Let him learn how to play his natural SF position first and then we can think about trying something else.
Exactly what I was thinking about saying yesterday....let him play the position he's used to and become good at that...adapting to the nba is tough enough for rookies without changing their position.
JMac1 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:gaspar wrote:When? Surely not in his short NBA career. I've seen a lot of Archie Goodwin in his game so far. A lot of dribbling that doesn't get him anywhere because no one respects his jumpshot and a lot of out of control drives that result in a turnover or a blocked shot.
I'm not sure why people want to jerk him around so much. He started the season as a PF, then he was moved to SF, now people want him be a PG. Let him learn how to play his natural SF position first and then we can think about trying something else.
Exactly what I was thinking about saying yesterday....let him play the position he's used to and become good at that...adapting to the nba is tough enough for rookies without changing their position.
It's not about his position.....who cares what "position" he is playing? It's about what he is asked to do when he is on the court. He should be asked to do the things he is good at and familiar with. Once he advances in other areas, then he can do those things as well. Asking him to stand around the corner shooting threes is dumb. Guarding "4's" is dumb (Porzingis...really?). I understand his frustrations and why he forces things when he is on the court, because of limited opportunities and a short choke chain. His minutes has gone 24 13 and 11 the last three games..... You can blame JJ all you want, however, people tend to underestimate the impact of poor coaching as well. JJ needs growth without a doubt, but a good coach can accelerate that growth. Also, JJ does have a special type of demeanor that says handle with care....alas Rand Moss. Some players are just not Pete Rose Charlie Hustle types and need a little therapy when developing them as a person and player. Figure out what works for JJ turn him quick. I love that type of demeanor, maybe because I'm familiar with it. The best players I've been around have been those type of guys who had good guidance and respect for their teammates and coaches. JJ is going to need a good coach, because he looks a little "hard headed."
If we had a PG reliant offense then I understand not having him and Booker bring the ball up, but we don't. So like Frank said put Booker JJ and Warren on the court together with Bender and Len. This is the time when you experiment.
And get Okafor!
gaspar wrote:1UPZ wrote:Josh Jackson has shown he can dribble and is quick enough to blow pass many... many players.
Practice more dribbling and with a play maker mentality... and you have a Point Forward Shut Down defender.... who is not bad at the 3pt also... he can only get better if he keeps at it... and Josh has the competitive nature to get better.
When? Surely not in his short NBA career. I've seen a lot of Archie Goodwin in his game so far. A lot of dribbling that doesn't get him anywhere because no one respects his jumpshot and a lot of out of control drives that result in a turnover or a blocked shot.
I'm not sure why people want to jerk him around so much. He started the season as a PF, then he was moved to SF, now people want him be a PG. Let him learn how to play his natural SF position first and then we can think about trying something else.
JMac1 wrote:bwgood77 wrote:gaspar wrote:When? Surely not in his short NBA career. I've seen a lot of Archie Goodwin in his game so far. A lot of dribbling that doesn't get him anywhere because no one respects his jumpshot and a lot of out of control drives that result in a turnover or a blocked shot.
I'm not sure why people want to jerk him around so much. He started the season as a PF, then he was moved to SF, now people want him be a PG. Let him learn how to play his natural SF position first and then we can think about trying something else.
Exactly what I was thinking about saying yesterday....let him play the position he's used to and become good at that...adapting to the nba is tough enough for rookies without changing their position.
It's not about his position.....who cares what "position" he is playing? It's about what he is asked to do when he is on the court. He should be asked to do the things he is good at and familiar with. Once he advances in other areas, then he can do those things as well. Asking him to stand around the corner shooting threes is dumb. Guarding "4's" is dumb (Porzingis...really?). I understand his frustrations and why he forces things when he is on the court, because of limited opportunities and a short choke chain. His minutes has gone 24 13 and 11 the last three games..... You can blame JJ all you want, however, people tend to underestimate the impact of poor coaching as well. JJ needs growth without a doubt, but a good coach can accelerate that growth. Also, JJ does have a special type of demeanor that says handle with care....alas Rand Moss. Some players are just not Pete Rose Charlie Hustle types and need a little therapy when developing them as a person and player. Figure out what works for JJ turn him quick. I love that type of demeanor, maybe because I'm familiar with it. The best players I've been around have been those type of guys who had good guidance and respect for their teammates and coaches. JJ is going to need a good coach, because he looks a little "hard headed."
If we had a PG reliant offense then I understand not having him and Booker bring the ball up, but we don't. So like Frank said put Booker JJ and Warren on the court together with Bender and Len. This is the time when you experiment.
And get Okafor!
1UPZ wrote:And some will mention the turn overs or forced plays....
Yes.
I agree.
But those were from frustrations.
I cringed too.
You can tell he gets frustrated by just looking at his gestures. When he gets ignored when open or when he's at an advantageous position... the next play when he does get the ball, he forces it.
Its frustration.
He sees a lesser player mess up a play and it really ticks competitive players off.
If It was a Booker or a star player hogging the ball it would be understandable. But Josh seeing lesser players than him ignore him... That's infuriating.
A good coach will see that and try to fix it. A bad coach will just let things play through and see how it goes.
bwgood77 wrote:Jackson has worst rookie offensive rating and 2nd worst net rating after his college teammate Frank Mason, but he hasn't played much.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2018/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/ortg/All/asc/1/Regular_Season?rookies=
WeekapaugGroove wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Jackson has worst rookie offensive rating and 2nd worst net rating after his college teammate Frank Mason, but he hasn't played much.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/stats/2018/Advanced_Stats/Qualified/ortg/All/asc/1/Regular_Season?rookies=
Not a good look. Sometimes these stats can be deceiving but he hasn't really passed the eye test either. He really needs a breakout game to boost his confidence and get him on track.
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