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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#401 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:17 am

The tank battle is fierce this season. We might get 8 teams with 20 to 25 wins. I know they flip a coin to break ties between two teams. How does it work with three or more? Draw out of a hat?
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#402 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:26 am

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Mulhollanddrive wrote:8 teams are now tracking for 25 wins or less.


I have a feeling even though we have the toughest schedule, we may win our games against those teams when we DO play them, since we are trying out our new lineup. It will be interesting.

I'm fairly fine with anyone in the top 7 though...Bamba and Bagley slightly less, but the rest I'm really happy with. If the FO really buys in on Payton, they may even pass up Doncic even if we get #1 (though I wasn't sure McD would take him anyway there).

What makes you think Doncic isn't on the top of McD's big board?


I don't know. I've never thought he was, but I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if Bagley is atop his board. It's kind of a crapshoot guessing what others think though.
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#403 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:29 am

Even if we finish 6th and got jumped in the lottery to pick 7th we would still get one of Young, Porter, Jackson, Bamba.
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#404 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:29 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:The tank battle is fierce this season. We might get 8 teams with 20 to 25 wins. I know they flip a coin to break ties between two teams. How does it work with three or more? Draw out of a hat?


I asked the question in two places actually. I don't have any idea. I know they combine lotto balls with tied teams so you have equal chance so the coin flip usually only decides if neither gets selected top 3 (and for the case if their are an odd number of balls or combinations I guess...who gets the extra one).
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#405 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:33 am

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I have a feeling even though we have the toughest schedule, we may win our games against those teams when we DO play them, since we are trying out our new lineup. It will be interesting.

I'm fairly fine with anyone in the top 7 though...Bamba and Bagley slightly less, but the rest I'm really happy with. If the FO really buys in on Payton, they may even pass up Doncic even if we get #1 (though I wasn't sure McD would take him anyway there).

What makes you think Doncic isn't on the top of McD's big board?


I don't know. I've never thought he was, but I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if Bagley is atop his board. It's kind of a crapshoot guessing what others think though.

Fair enough. I personally don't think he's averse to euro players and I'd imagine Doncic is at the top of his big board
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#406 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:44 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:What makes you think Doncic isn't on the top of McD's big board?


I don't know. I've never thought he was, but I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised if Bagley is atop his board. It's kind of a crapshoot guessing what others think though.

Fair enough. I personally don't think he's averse to euro players and I'd imagine Doncic is at the top of his big board


I don't think he's averse at all to them but given our roster I think he might lean elsewhere...hope not if we get the top pick or 2 and he's there.
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#407 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:19 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:The tank battle is fierce this season. We might get 8 teams with 20 to 25 wins. I know they flip a coin to break ties between two teams. How does it work with three or more? Draw out of a hat?


I asked the question in two places actually. I don't have any idea. I know they combine lotto balls with tied teams so you have equal chance so the coin flip usually only decides if neither gets selected top 3 (and for the case if their are an odd number of balls or combinations I guess...who gets the extra one).


I obviously want the suns to have the best odds but I have to admit it would be kind of cool if like 5 teams tied for the worst record and all had the same amount of lotto balls.
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#408 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:35 am

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:The tank battle is fierce this season. We might get 8 teams with 20 to 25 wins. I know they flip a coin to break ties between two teams. How does it work with three or more? Draw out of a hat?


I asked the question in two places actually. I don't have any idea. I know they combine lotto balls with tied teams so you have equal chance so the coin flip usually only decides if neither gets selected top 3 (and for the case if their are an odd number of balls or combinations I guess...who gets the extra one).


I obviously want the suns to have the best odds but I have to admit it would be kind of cool if like 5 teams tied for the worst record and all had the same amount of lotto balls.


Probably the best CBA expert on the forums chimed in here viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1675451

If he doesn't know I don't know if the answer is out there....so it will be interesting to see how it is determined if it happens. I guess a tweet to Coons is the next best bet.

I guess rolling a dice would make sense....if you have 3, you assign each two numbers, and winner gets first, then you assign three numbers each (or flip a coin) to determine last.

If you have 4, assign 4 numbers, and if a number not assigned comes up, repeat, etc....that would work.
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#409 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:08 pm

And they still only lost by 6. Also NY blew a 26 point lead at halftime....they really want to get into this thing.

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Post#410 » by EricAnderson » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:40 pm

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darealjuice wrote:The result is literally all that matters. If the pick ends up being the 10th pick in the draft, you have zero reason to think it would have been any different if we retained rights to the pick. Your hypothetical has zero relation to really anything, I'm surprised you took the time to type that out.


Of course not, it shows an underlying inability of our front office to evaluates the assets it holds vs. the assets it is acquiring. You can only get lucky so many times.

Just like a poker player playing weak hands and misreading his opponents doesn't all of a sudden become a good player simply because he's lucking out on the river; this trade was a bad trade then, and it is a bad trade now - just because the Lakers beat odds in the draft doesn't make it a good trade all of a sudden.

If we traded our current unprotected pick to the Clippers for the Pistons unprotected pick that would be a bad trade. Then on draft night, if the pistons pick beats 98% odds and becomes the #1 pick, and our pick 99.9% odds to become the 9th pick, are we going to congratulate McD for making a great trade? Afterall, "the result is literally all that matters".

This reasoning is very short-sighted.


I don't care if the Lakers get the 12th pick...it's still a bad trade....and going with the luck thing...that pick could still end up a top 3 draft pick on lotto Knight.

Knight for the 12th pick in this draft is a terrible trade all by itself. But yeah, the Lakers pick could have easily conveyed last year. Either way a terrible trade. And the 4-6 pick last year might not end up any better than whatever that Lakers pick turns into this year either.

I agree with you though....even if this trade ends up looking "not as bad", it was still a terrible trade and McD's worst move, unless you want to assess passing on certain guys in the draft, but that's more of a crapshoot.

I think McD would tell anyone on his death bed that was a horrible trade. You think we have Knightmares about it....I imagine he thinks about it every time he looks at the top of this draft, particularly before the Lakers went on a mini winning streak.


Yeah even at the time it made zero sense..it just screamed desperation from ownership to win now even though Knight didn't help that.

But at least with the Lakers playing well they could turn this trade from a historically bad trade to just a bad trade

You can still get a solid player at 10- 12 but chances of getting a franchise changing one are very slim
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#411 » by JMac1 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:55 pm

bwgood77 wrote:And they still only lost by 6. Also NY blew a 26 point lead at halftime....they really want to get into this thing.

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Post#412 » by darealjuice » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:39 pm

Was reading this article about Isaac's injury and his upcoming return, and saw this excerpt that made me laugh:

What should be great for the Magic will be getting a host of talented players back in the coming weeks. Nikola Vucevic (fractured left hand) and Aaron Gordon (strained left hip flexor) are hoping to be back by Orlando’s Feb. 22 home game against the New York Knicks, while Isaac and Terrence Ross (knee sprain) could soon follow. The Magic believe that the return of three starting-quality players and the team’s top reserve will give them a big boost over the final 25 games of the season.


I'm sure the Magic are just dying for a big boost to close out the season :lol: It be nice if they would move on out of the tank race for us.
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#413 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:35 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:And they still only lost by 6. Also NY blew a 26 point lead at halftime....they really want to get into this thing.

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Crazy...As long as we have a shot at JJJ I really don’t care. Top 6, I don’t like Bamba.


Would you take JJJ #1?
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#414 » by bwgood77 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:36 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:The tank battle is fierce this season. We might get 8 teams with 20 to 25 wins. I know they flip a coin to break ties between two teams. How does it work with three or more? Draw out of a hat?


I asked the question in two places actually. I don't have any idea. I know they combine lotto balls with tied teams so you have equal chance so the coin flip usually only decides if neither gets selected top 3 (and for the case if their are an odd number of balls or combinations I guess...who gets the extra one).


I obviously want the suns to have the best odds but I have to admit it would be kind of cool if like 5 teams tied for the worst record and all had the same amount of lotto balls.


Got the answer here...

viewtopic.php?f=4&p=63480938#p63478868
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#415 » by JMac1 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:49 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:And they still only lost by 6. Also NY blew a 26 point lead at halftime....they really want to get into this thing.

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Crazy...As long as we have a shot at JJJ I really don’t care. Top 6, I don’t like Bamba.


Would you take JJJ #1?


Eeeeeee! No. I’d take Ayton and trade back from 2 to 4, that’s where I think he’d go. I might trade back from one like the Celts did. But Ayton is supposed to be a game changer so I’d probably just play the best odds.
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Post#416 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:49 am

Bottom 9 matchups remaining:

Phoenix - Sacramento, @Atlanta, @Memphis, @Dallas, @Orlando
Atlanta - Phoenix, Chicago, Orlando, @Sacramento
Dallas - Phoenix, Memphis, @NY, @Sacramento, @Chicago, @Orlando, @Brooklyn
Orlando - Phoenix, Memphis, NY, Dallas, Chicago, Brooklyn, @Atlanta, @NY, @Sacramento
Sacramento - NY, Atlanta, Orlando, Dallas, Brooklyn, @Phoenix, @Memphis
Memphis - Phoenix, Sacramento, Chicago, @Dallas, @Chicago, @Orlando, @Brooklyn
Brooklyn - Memphis, Dallas, Chicago, Chicago, @Sacramento, @Chicago, @Orlando
Chicago - Memphis, Brooklyn, @Memphis, @NY, @Atlanta, @Orlando, @Brooklyn, @Brooklyn
NY - Dallas, Chicago, @Sacramento, @Chicago, @Orlando
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Post#417 » by Bogyo » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:28 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Bottom 9 matchups remaining:

Phoenix - Sacramento, @Atlanta, @Memphis, @Dallas, @Orlando
Atlanta - Phoenix, Chicago, Orlando, @Sacramento
Dallas - Phoenix, Memphis, @NY, @Sacramento, @Chicago, @Orlando, @Brooklyn
Orlando - Phoenix, Memphis, NY, Dallas, Chicago, Brooklyn, @Atlanta, @NY, @Sacramento
Sacramento - NY, Atlanta, Orlando, Dallas, Brooklyn, @Phoenix, @Memphis
Memphis - Phoenix, Sacramento, Chicago, @Dallas, @Chicago, @Orlando, @Brooklyn
Brooklyn - Memphis, Dallas, Chicago, Chicago, @Sacramento, @Chicago, @Orlando
Chicago - Memphis, Brooklyn, @Memphis, @NY, @Atlanta, @Orlando, @Brooklyn, @Brooklyn
NY - Dallas, Chicago, @Sacramento, @Chicago, @Orlando


Thanks for the work, I've been meaning to look this up last night.
I was looking for it as I feel that after the all star break with a healthy Book, improved (and pissed off, chip on his shoulder) JJ and Bender we will beat most of these teams fairly easy. Not necessarily a good thing for our draft pick, I hope we can stay in top5.
Couple of losses for Miami and Milwaukee would help as well, although I'm not counting on the latter... But we could really do some work with say 3/12/16/33/51/58
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Re: 2018 Draft Pick Watch (MIA, MIL etc.) 

Post#418 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:27 pm

Mark Cuban admitted to telling players on the Mavericks that losing games at this point in the season represents the best course for the franchise.

“I’m probably not supposed to say this, but, like, I just had dinner with a bunch of our guys the other night and here we are, you know, we weren’t competing for the playoffs I was like, ‘Look, losing is our best option,’” Cuban said on Dr. J's show. “Adam [Silver] would hate hearing that, but I at least sat down and I explained it to them. And I explained what our plans were going to be this summer, that we’re not going to tank again, this was, like, a year-and-a-half tanking and that was too brutal for me. But being transparent, I think that’s the key to being kind of a players owner and having stability."


https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2018/02/19/mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-admits-telling-players-tanking-best-option
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Post#419 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:01 pm

bwgood77 wrote:And they still only lost by 6. Also NY blew a 26 point lead at halftime....they really want to get into this thing.

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Uh. Oh. We are going to win this one. It would just be too hard to lose it.
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Post#420 » by darealjuice » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:03 pm

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AG and Vucci Mane coming back for the Magic just in time for the final tank stretch

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