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The Elfrid Payton Thread

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With the addition of Elfrid Payton, does this change the FO's draft strategy?

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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#201 » by NavLDO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:15 am

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hollywood6964 wrote:I wouldn't. Not big enough of a sample size. Guys like Jeremy Lin should point to that.

If he plays really well, n we're not in a position to draft a top pg; 8m a year, 3 yr deal, with an option at 12m for Elfred in the 4th..


You are totally ignoring his other 234 GS at PG?? Because it was not with our players? The dude has proven to be a worthy starting PG in the NBA. All-Star? Absolutely not. But this gives McD the comfort of TRULY going after BPA in the draft, IMO. He doesn't have to [i]force a PG pick early.[/i]


Aside from the fact that I am a fan of Payton and think it's absurd to trade him at 23 on a career season, THIS really hits on why I am most upset we traded him away for peanuts. I would have rather ORL been able to pick BPA and let Elfrid walk if it's a PG (if that's the route we wanted to go and he was asking too much).
Ironically, we are in the same situation as we were when we drafted him. We are in dire need of a PG and any team picking before us has the ability to draft our target and squeeze us for something extra ala Philly w/ Saric and Payton. Just dumb.


And we have 2 1st Rd picks, and HAD 4, now HAVE 3, 2nd Rd picks...was that ONE 2nd Rd pick going to be truly critical in any trade situation/pkg McD needed to put forth on Draft night? Is he really ever going to say "darn it, I really wish I had that 2nd Rd pick back instead of Payton." I'm thinking...no.

What I'm most disappointed about is that McD didn't turn one of Dudley, Chandler, or Knight + another 2nd or + Chriss for Biyombo...or whatever would be a fair trade...since we could really use a defensive, rebounding presence in the middle that isn't 35YO or leaving at the end of the season. That, too, would've given us even MORE flexibility in the draft, taken about $4M off your books , (Chandler + 2nd or Duds + Chriss + 2nd), or would've taken between $1.5-2.5M off your books per year, plus given you, at least, the comfort of having a former starting Combo Guard in Knight on your roster, and some flexibility in the draft.

And BTW, Trae Young just went 0 for 9 from beyond the arc for his 4th straight mediocre game. Chances are, IMO, he'll slide back, as he's already doing on all the draft sites, to a mid-Lotto-level prospect. If you want Young, and your are picking 4th like you are now, you'll be fine, I suspect.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#202 » by NavLDO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:57 am

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JMac1 wrote:Not a fan....Plus it hurts the tank and I’d want Trae.....period. No back and forth this year.


You sure about that??

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trae-young-1/gamelog/2018/#20180203-20180210-sum:gamelog

I can understand wanting the highest draft pick possible, but Young has some flaws to his game, and he's coming back to earth, so chances are, he'll be available 7th...8th...9th, if Elfrid makes us that good.

I doubt it though. But if you REALLY want Young, I wouldn't worry about it. I suspect his true abilities are now showing, in addition to the incredible things he's done this year (I'm not taking away from that), and together, that will pit him somewhere between 5th-10th, when it's all said and done. His defensive limitations are starting to show through, and when he gets 'nit-picked' at the pre-draft process, I'd give a better than 50% chance that Young will be available for us to draft, if we want him.

Young amazes the F outta me on offense but his defense is super suspect and I don't think he's a slam dunk anymore. Like I mentioned in the other thread, if Young was available when we pick, depending on who else is available, he may not be the guy I go with. Not to say Payton is the reason we shouldn't draft Young but Payton is the type of guy who can elevate Booker's game because he has the size, passing, and some scoring and defense abilities.

I know we shouldn't pick based on needs but in my view, we already have our franchise guy and star in Booker and adding another star in the back court isn't necessarily gonna back fire but I'd like to add some talent up front via Doncic, Ayton, Porter, JJJr.


Spot on! If we draft 2, 3, or 4, and have a shot at Bagley, or Ayton? That might be the best choice for us. That said, I think Doncic and Porter might be pretty amazing for us, but neither solve the glaring need at Center. But Doncic can play anywhere from 1-3, and Porter Jr from 3-4, so if it's between one of those 2, (and we are picking, say 5th) , and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, and JJJ are gone, I'd rather grab Doncic than the next best rated Big, and we'll work out the Big in FA or trade.

Plus, Miami's pick is now 14th, technically, but since they are a playoff team, it's 15th, right? Is that how it works? Anyway, if their pick remains in the teens, we can grab, in what I believe their relative value order to be...

Robert Williams (sliding because he's essentially a 6'9" Center...OK...he has a 7'4" Wingspan; I'm OK with that-look at his production!)
Omer Yurtseven
Daniel Gafford
Mitchell Robinson
Brandon McCoy
Chimezie Metu
Austin Wiley

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=daniel-gafford--brandon-mccoy--chimezie-metu--mitchell-robinson--robert-williams

Elfrid or Doncic or Booker/ Booker or Doncic or JJ / Warren or JJ or Doncic / Chriss or Bender / McCoy(??) or Bender or Sauce

I like that versatility. We sell that to Boogie, or even Jordan for a couple of years while McCoy or Yurtseven develops...
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#203 » by Mulhollanddrive » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:54 pm

On the hair thing is it just coincidence Payton and Jackson have the biggest hair and worst shooting?

Payton shoots FTs over his right shoulder because of it @ 61%.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#204 » by hollywood6964 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:46 pm

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You are totally ignoring his other 234 GS at PG?? Because it was not with our players? The dude has proven to be a worthy starting PG in the NBA. All-Star? Absolutely not. But this gives McD the comfort of TRULY going after BPA in the draft, IMO. He doesn't have to force a PG pick early.

No, I'm not. Take what I said in context.


I am, and I'm still not seeing the 234 games started in the NBA, before Lin rose to stardom, like Payton has--bad comparison is my point, so, yes, you are.

No, you're not. But that's ok.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#205 » by NavLDO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:25 pm

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I am, and I'm still not seeing the 234 games started in the NBA, before Lin rose to stardom, like Payton has--bad comparison is my point, so, yes, you are.

No, you're not. But that's ok.


Go ahead and please explain your correlation to Lin, then. Why did you bring him up as an example of being similar to Elfrid and no, you haven't already clarified or explained that, and if you did, please link so I can see how you specifically compared the two, and how Elfrid's 26 games with us correlates to Lin's 25 games in NY. Because other than that period, I can't possibly imagine what period you are talking about, because after that period in NY, is when people recognized he may not be as good as previously played.

But again, as I alluded, Lin did not have 234 NBA GS in his background, like Payton has, thus, the disregarding of that fact.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#206 » by NavLDO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:57 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:On the hair thing is it just coincidence Payton and Jackson have the biggest hair and worst shooting?

Payton shoots FTs over his right shoulder because of it @ 61%.


Yeah, I agree. If he wants to make a statement with his hair, fine, do it in 12 years when he's out of the league, like us former military types. After we get out, we can grow it any way we want...depending on the next career.

But especially if it affects his ability to shoot. That's ridiculous that he would allow something like a haircut affect his job performance.

I'm not saying that it does for sure... I'm just saying that if he recognizes that it does, I hope he fixes it.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#207 » by hollywood6964 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:26 pm

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I am, and I'm still not seeing the 234 games started in the NBA, before Lin rose to stardom, like Payton has--bad comparison is my point, so, yes, you are.

No, you're not. But that's ok.


Go ahead and please explain your correlation to Lin, then. Why did you bring him up as an example of being similar to Elfrid and no, you haven't already clarified or explained that, and if you did, please link so I can see how you specifically compared the two, and how Elfrid's 26 games with us correlates to Lin's 25 games in NY. Because other than that period, I can't possibly imagine what period you are talking about, because after that period in NY, is when people recognized he may not be as good as previously played.

But again, as I alluded, Lin did not have 234 NBA GS in his background, like Payton has, thus, the disregarding of that fact.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#208 » by Qwigglez » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:33 pm

NavLDO wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:On the hair thing is it just coincidence Payton and Jackson have the biggest hair and worst shooting?

Payton shoots FTs over his right shoulder because of it @ 61%.


Yeah, I agree. If he wants to make a statement with his hair, fine, do it in 12 years when he's out of the league, like us former military types. After we get out, we can grow it any way we want...depending on the next career.

But especially if it affects his ability to shoot. That's ridiculous that he would allow something like a haircut affect his job performance.

I'm not saying that it does for sure... I'm just saying that if he recognizes that it does, I hope he fixes it.


I'm hoping it does. Not only his shooting but his passing. His hair likely blocks some percentage of his vision. It's like he's playing with a handicap right now purposely and once he takes care of it he will be unstoppable!
Really though, I think he has solid shooting form on his catch and shoot three. His free throws will be alot better once he chops that hair. Look back at Kidds early career and his FT%. Right there with Payton. He eventually became an 80% FT shooter. KIDD had that ugly Justin Timberlake highlights back then too :D
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#209 » by Downtown » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:54 pm

Hi guys. Blazers fan here from Vancouver that's visiting Scottsdale for a week. Love your city. Anyways I thought I'd post while I'm here. I wanted to go to a Suns game but unfortunately the timing isn't good since I'm leaving in a few days. I did see them in Los Angeles last week but that was before Payton.

As an outsider I have to say that I like the general core of your team with Elfrid and can envision a great pathway going forward. A second round pick to get him? Unbelievable. Obviously the young talent is there but the maturity, hunger, and drive needs to be brought out. Living on the west coast I get a lot of Suns games on tv. One thing that stands out is that while your team can play good basketball they really need to learn how to pick it up a couple notches in fourth quarters when games are decided.

But we've already seen how well Payton has meshed with Jackson and if that chemistry is there with Booker you've got the makings of a team on the upswing. If there's one negative note My opinion is that Chriss isn't the big man to go forward with. I just don't see the leadership and drive in him. I'd explore ways to best use him as a trade asset on draft day.

I would definitely try to re-sign Payton IF he continues his current level the rest of the season since I don't think he's going to get any huge offers that would be out of your reasonable price range and at age 23 he has both youth and experience.

Anyways good luck and I'll definitely be returning to Scottsdale next year. And FYI Jay Triano used to live in my neighbourhood back in his days as the PR guy when we had the Grizzles in Vancouver so I'm hoping he sticks with you even as an assistant.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#210 » by woosah » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:20 pm

I don't think anyone posted this over here so I thought I'd share:

http://hoopshype.com/2018/02/14/elfrid-payton-on-being-traded-from-magic-to-suns-phoenixs-young-core-and-his-interest-in-re-signing/

You haven’t gotten the chance to play with Devin Booker yet because he’s dealing with a hip injury, but I know fans in Phoenix are excited to see the two of you together. How excited are you to play alongside Devin and how good can you guys be as a backcourt pairing?

EP: I’m very excited to play with him. He’s a really great talent – someone who can shoot the ball extremely well, someone who can really score from anywhere on the court. I’m looking forward to trying to make the game even easier for him. I also think I can feed off of him because I know he’s going to draw a ton of attention from defenses. That will leave a lot of open opportunities for me, so I have to knock those shots down. I think we can be really good together. We definitely have a chance to be special. With Devin and TJ, those are guys who can really fill it up and put a ton of points on the board. I can’t wait until we’re all out there together.


You mentioned your shooting. That’s something that has been discussed a lot since you entered the NBA. This season, you’re hitting career-highs from the field (52.6 percent) and three-point range (38 percent). How confident are you in your shot now and what are the biggest differences for you this year?

EP: I think the biggest difference is just that I’m actually attempting the threes. I’m definitely more confident in my shot now, so I’m shooting more. I know all of the work that I put in over the summer and all of the work that I continue to put in each and every day, so I’m not hesitating to shoot it. Also, my teammates see the hard work and they were encouraging me to shoot more too. The fact that my teammates have that kind of confidence in me and my shot has been a big help.



It's mostly about his feelings toward Orlando on the trade but the last half or so he talks about Phoenix (not just those quotes above), how his game fits and wanting to re-sign.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#211 » by JMac1 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:52 pm

NavLDO wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
NavLDO wrote:
You sure about that??

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/trae-young-1/gamelog/2018/#20180203-20180210-sum:gamelog

I can understand wanting the highest draft pick possible, but Young has some flaws to his game, and he's coming back to earth, so chances are, he'll be available 7th...8th...9th, if Elfrid makes us that good.

I doubt it though. But if you REALLY want Young, I wouldn't worry about it. I suspect his true abilities are now showing, in addition to the incredible things he's done this year (I'm not taking away from that), and together, that will pit him somewhere between 5th-10th, when it's all said and done. His defensive limitations are starting to show through, and when he gets 'nit-picked' at the pre-draft process, I'd give a better than 50% chance that Young will be available for us to draft, if we want him.

Young amazes the F outta me on offense but his defense is super suspect and I don't think he's a slam dunk anymore. Like I mentioned in the other thread, if Young was available when we pick, depending on who else is available, he may not be the guy I go with. Not to say Payton is the reason we shouldn't draft Young but Payton is the type of guy who can elevate Booker's game because he has the size, passing, and some scoring and defense abilities.

I know we shouldn't pick based on needs but in my view, we already have our franchise guy and star in Booker and adding another star in the back court isn't necessarily gonna back fire but I'd like to add some talent up front via Doncic, Ayton, Porter, JJJr.


Spot on! If we draft 2, 3, or 4, and have a shot at Bagley, or Ayton? That might be the best choice for us. That said, I think Doncic and Porter might be pretty amazing for us, but neither solve the glaring need at Center. But Doncic can play anywhere from 1-3, and Porter Jr from 3-4, so if it's between one of those 2, (and we are picking, say 5th) , and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, and JJJ are gone, I'd rather grab Doncic than the next best rated Big, and we'll work out the Big in FA or trade.

Plus, Miami's pick is now 14th, technically, but since they are a playoff team, it's 15th, right? Is that how it works? Anyway, if their pick remains in the teens, we can grab, in what I believe their relative value order to be...

Robert Williams (sliding because he's essentially a 6'9" Center...OK...he has a 7'4" Wingspan; I'm OK with that-look at his production!)
Omer Yurtseven
Daniel Gafford
Mitchell Robinson
Brandon McCoy
Chimezie Metu
Austin Wiley

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=daniel-gafford--brandon-mccoy--chimezie-metu--mitchell-robinson--robert-williams

Elfrid or Doncic or Booker/ Booker or Doncic or JJ / Warren or JJ or Doncic / Chriss or Bender / McCoy(??) or Bender or Sauce

I like that versatility. We sell that to Boogie, or even Jordan for a couple of years while McCoy or Yurtseven develops...


Well, one reason I vacillate often on players is because of their play and the personnel here is so fluid. Also, I’m open minded and willing to admit when I’m wrong. So far, Payton has proved me wrong and I’m very happy that he has. The guy looks like a stud after his first two games. If he cans be a consistent player at this level, our PG searching days are over. He won’t be Chris Paul, but he’d be perfect for what we need. I’d be happy with Ayton or JJ or Bagley or the other Duke guy...Mitchell?!I

I love Trae, recent bad play and all, over the first six players are very close (not feeling Bamba) so you take best fit as the tie breaker. LOve Bender, but he is inconsistent so we need a 4/5 or 5 if we continue with TJ at the 4, which I prefer.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#212 » by NavLDO » Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:56 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:Young amazes the F outta me on offense but his defense is super suspect and I don't think he's a slam dunk anymore. Like I mentioned in the other thread, if Young was available when we pick, depending on who else is available, he may not be the guy I go with. Not to say Payton is the reason we shouldn't draft Young but Payton is the type of guy who can elevate Booker's game because he has the size, passing, and some scoring and defense abilities.

I know we shouldn't pick based on needs but in my view, we already have our franchise guy and star in Booker and adding another star in the back court isn't necessarily gonna back fire but I'd like to add some talent up front via Doncic, Ayton, Porter, JJJr.


Spot on! If we draft 2, 3, or 4, and have a shot at Bagley, or Ayton? That might be the best choice for us. That said, I think Doncic and Porter might be pretty amazing for us, but neither solve the glaring need at Center. But Doncic can play anywhere from 1-3, and Porter Jr from 3-4, so if it's between one of those 2, (and we are picking, say 5th) , and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, and JJJ are gone, I'd rather grab Doncic than the next best rated Big, and we'll work out the Big in FA or trade.

Plus, Miami's pick is now 14th, technically, but since they are a playoff team, it's 15th, right? Is that how it works? Anyway, if their pick remains in the teens, we can grab, in what I believe their relative value order to be...

Robert Williams (sliding because he's essentially a 6'9" Center...OK...he has a 7'4" Wingspan; I'm OK with that-look at his production!)
Omer Yurtseven
Daniel Gafford
Mitchell Robinson
Brandon McCoy
Chimezie Metu
Austin Wiley

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=daniel-gafford--brandon-mccoy--chimezie-metu--mitchell-robinson--robert-williams

Elfrid or Doncic or Booker/ Booker or Doncic or JJ / Warren or JJ or Doncic / Chriss or Bender / McCoy(??) or Bender or Sauce

I like that versatility. We sell that to Boogie, or even Jordan for a couple of years while McCoy or Yurtseven develops...


Well, one reason I vacillate often on players is because of their play and the personnel here is so fluid. Also, I’m open minded and willing to admit when I’m wrong. So far, Payton has proved me wrong and I’m very happy that he has. The guy looks like a stud after his first two games. If he cans be a consistent player at this level, our PG searching days are over. He won’t be Chris Paul, but he’d be perfect for what we need. I’d be happy with Ayton or JJ or Bagley or the other Duke guy...Mitchell?!I

I love Trae, recent bad play and all, over the first six players are very close (not feeling Bamba) so you take best fit as the tie breaker. LOve Bender, but he is inconsistent so we need a 4/5 or 5 if we continue with TJ at the 4, which I prefer.


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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#213 » by Qwigglez » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:09 am

I think with Payton, depending on how well he meshes with Booker, we may not even need to consider a PG in this draft. I like the idea of having a defensive minded PG that looks to distribute next to Booker. Between Ayton and JJJ, we should be set after this draft and shouldn't look to tank anymore.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#214 » by NavLDO » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:17 am

JMac1 wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:Young amazes the F outta me on offense but his defense is super suspect and I don't think he's a slam dunk anymore. Like I mentioned in the other thread, if Young was available when we pick, depending on who else is available, he may not be the guy I go with. Not to say Payton is the reason we shouldn't draft Young but Payton is the type of guy who can elevate Booker's game because he has the size, passing, and some scoring and defense abilities.

I know we shouldn't pick based on needs but in my view, we already have our franchise guy and star in Booker and adding another star in the back court isn't necessarily gonna back fire but I'd like to add some talent up front via Doncic, Ayton, Porter, JJJr.


Spot on! If we draft 2, 3, or 4, and have a shot at Bagley, or Ayton? That might be the best choice for us. That said, I think Doncic and Porter might be pretty amazing for us, but neither solve the glaring need at Center. But Doncic can play anywhere from 1-3, and Porter Jr from 3-4, so if it's between one of those 2, (and we are picking, say 5th) , and Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, and JJJ are gone, I'd rather grab Doncic than the next best rated Big, and we'll work out the Big in FA or trade.

Plus, Miami's pick is now 14th, technically, but since they are a playoff team, it's 15th, right? Is that how it works? Anyway, if their pick remains in the teens, we can grab, in what I believe their relative value order to be...

Robert Williams (sliding because he's essentially a 6'9" Center...OK...he has a 7'4" Wingspan; I'm OK with that-look at his production!)
Omer Yurtseven
Daniel Gafford
Mitchell Robinson
Brandon McCoy
Chimezie Metu
Austin Wiley

http://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=daniel-gafford--brandon-mccoy--chimezie-metu--mitchell-robinson--robert-williams

Elfrid or Doncic or Booker/ Booker or Doncic or JJ / Warren or JJ or Doncic / Chriss or Bender / McCoy(??) or Bender or Sauce

I like that versatility. We sell that to Boogie, or even Jordan for a couple of years while McCoy or Yurtseven develops...


Well, one reason I vacillate often on players is because of their play and the personnel here is so fluid. Also, I’m open minded and willing to admit when I’m wrong. So far, Payton has proved me wrong and I’m very happy that he has. The guy looks like a stud after his first two games. If he cans be a consistent player at this level, our PG searching days are over. He won’t be Chris Paul, but he’d be perfect for what we need. I’d be happy with Ayton or JJ or Bagley or the other Duke guy...Mitchell?!I

I love Trae, recent bad play and all, over the first six players are very close (not feeling Bamba) so you take best fit as the tie breaker. LOve Bender, but he is inconsistent so we need a 4/5 or 5 if we continue with TJ at the 4, which I prefer.


On a serious note, (now that I'm not on my phone and can type something more reminiscent of one of my famed novellas), I had secretly hoped, after news broke the Summer before last (which of course, I have been unable to find anywhere as of late), that Warren had a little mini-growth spurt, and is over 6'9" now, and closer to 235, that he would be moved over to PF a little more of a permanent nature.

The closest I found was his stating he grew to 6'9" in this article; but I thought there was something more 'official'.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2016/10/02/tj-warrens-8-month-hoop-void-ends-phoenix-suns/91447750/

But point is, since he's not much of an outside shooter anyway, and he's big and strong enough to 'back down' some of these other PFs, if he wanted to, I was hoping, especially after last year's draft, we would see more of him on the court at the 4, and now with JJ and Booker this year.

But that is kind of also the thinking behind my post about our versatility, and how I'd love to see that continue with our 1st Rd draft picks this year. Again, if we were somehow able to snag Doncic, JJJ, or Michael Porter, we increase that Flexibility in this hyped 'positionless' basketball thing. Let's say it's JJJ draft first, and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander next...AND (no, this isn't a stretch at all; Payton came into the NBA hyped on his Defensive capability, both in Size/Length, and actual proven play; he is vastly improving his shot to where he has a legit Combo Guard potential) we actually play consider playing SGA with Payton.

Elfrid or SGA or Booker/ Booker or JJ or SGA or Elfrid / Warren or JJ / JJJ or Chriss or Bender / JJJ or Bender or Chriss or Sauce

But that lineup there is a nice, what, nine man rotation?
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#215 » by Mulhollanddrive » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:59 am

9th triple double of his career today.

Averaging 20-8-8 on 57% FG for us.

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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#216 » by Hesh » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:07 am

What was your initial reaction when you found out you were traded? That has to be tough, especially when you’re told that you probably aren’t getting dealt and then it happens anyway.

EP: Yeah, it was tough. I was just like, “Dang, this is crazy.” I was definitely a little bit shocked. But then when they told me I was going to Phoenix, I started getting excited about the opportunity.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#217 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:44 pm

Hesh wrote:What was your initial reaction when you found out you were traded? That has to be tough, especially when you’re told that you probably aren’t getting dealt and then it happens anyway.

EP: Yeah, it was tough. I was just like, “Dang, this is crazy.” I was definitely a little bit shocked. But then when they told me I was going to Phoenix, I started getting excited about the opportunity.


He should have been excited. As I mentioned on a previous post there was no better situation in the whole league for him to come in get heavy minutes and earn a contract extension. I'm happy he recognized this and so far he's been delivering.

I get some of the long term fit concerns but it can't be denied that he looks like a real player. Thats something thats lacking in the organization.
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#218 » by Kerrsed » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:42 pm

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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#219 » by Christine-In-AZ » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:09 am

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ChrisInAZ wrote:Really enjoyed watching Elfrid Payton's play last night. Nice!

Wowed by how many (here and at BSoTS) are already scheming a Suns future with Payton at PG after just one game. Really people?

Check out this two page Tyler Ulis thread from 11 month's ago- https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1540738

One visitor from Orlando asks how we'd feel about a Tyler Ulis plus a future first for Aaron Gordon trade? So the hot take wasn't just a fan phenomenon, but it burned many in the tribe.

10 games would be premature...but 1?

Tyler Ulis before his ankle surgery was a very good player. Nobody will deny that. However after that ankle surgery, he has lost all his quickness and his entire game is affected by it.

That ankle surgery can end up being a career ended for Ulis.


It was deemed "minor surgery" at the time- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2708996-suns-tyler-ulis-underwent-minor-surgery-for-ankle-injury

So this ankle surgery is why Tyler Ulis is no longer a good NBA player. Why is this not written about? Or is it? Do you have citations?
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Re: The Elfrid Payton Thread 

Post#220 » by bwgood77 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:21 am



Yeah, it must be hard not to like him...so I'd say it's weird so many Magic fans don't like him, but then I remember many fans' player evaluations of our guys too..quick takes..

I liked this...

EP: I feel like I still have a very high ceiling. Obviously, my shooting has gotten better this year, but I still feel like I can become a way better shooter. And there are still so many different things that I’m learning about the game and so many areas where I know I can improve. For example, I’m finding little tricks to get to the free-throw line more and get my team in the bonus. I’m also working hard to improve on the defensive end. I feel like my ceiling is still pretty high and I have a lot of room for growth.

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