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Go tiers if you want, but in general. At least the top 7 or 8, but do 15 or more players if you want to get to the Miami pick...and you can explain that it depends on who we have with first pick. Feel free to edit when you change your mind but probably better to make a new post and maybe quote your old one to show how it has changed.
Mine will surely change once I watch the rest of college conference play, conference tourneys, the overall NCAA tourney, and more video and read more analysis...I will say I am disappointed with the DX guys going to espn because they have become lazy and those videos are gone. They are insiders and I guarantee if they posted those videos with breakdowns, they would probably double insider subscribers.
My rough rankings now...and this is very tough after the top two, though everyone after one is tough..some playing worse in conference play.
My big board updated 5/11
Tier 1a It would be very hard to pass on either of these guys at #1 but I lean Doncic.
Doncic dominates very experienced older players...far more experienced than NCAA opponents, and at a young age. Played better in Eurocup and Euroleague when stakes were higher...seems to have the skills to come into the NBA and be productive as a starter on day 1, and maybe one of, if not the best player on a team...very versatile....shooting #s suffered as season went on likely due to a myriad of factors...fatigue/more defensive focus/and most of shots taken off the dribble, but with the extremely high volume of 3s, and ability to get to the line, and insane 2pt%, his TS% stll eclipses 61%, and with his extremely solid FT% and shooting history, I think his shot is fine. I'm sure he will have some trouble adjusting to the speed and athleticism in the NBA, but his IQ and winning mentality along with his desire to be the best makes me think he will adjust fine, even if it might take much of his rookie year.
Tier 1b
Ayton...So many skills and will put up instant numbers and I think he has the skills to be good defensively but having watched him all year, his team defensive awareness seems to be lacking, and I've really been thinking of wanting to have a team with shooters, play makers and a great defensive rim protecting big, so it leaves me a bit in a quandary. He can seem to be running through the motions off ball on offense and seeting weak screens too and he should really be setting hard ones with that body. But given his size, wingspan, athleticism, ability to stretch the floor and guard the perimeter, he certainly has the tools to be good defensively if the iq is there.
JJJ is the prototypical best fit in today's NBA as a big...great shooter, defense and rim protector..with tons of upside...He thrives at what is needed in today's NBA and is still very young...he is similar to Bender, in that he blocks shots (though he is better at that) and shoots 3s (better at that too) though of course him being better is at the college level so who knows in the pros, but I think they could both play 4 or 5 and play together and allow us to stretch the floor with great shooting, while also being solid defenders who can both switch, block shots and protect the rim. I think with him and Bender at the 4/5 we could have solid defense with guys who can block shots and switch on defense...really modern NBA guys. The only problem is his weaknesses (fouls and finishing are similar to Bender's).
Young (his shooting and passing are great, but the percentages dropping in conference play continue to get more and more concerning, though I know it is more defensive attention). He has some great passing..watching him live I was most impressed with his vision on the entire floor...throwing full court passes to guys for easy layups...but almost 7 turnovers a game...that can't happen. If it does in college who knows what it would be like in the NBA. Still, his ability to get to the line, have such an insane TS% (over 60% even after recent slump) on such high volume while also leading the nation is assists (though turnovers as well...Hardenesque there....getting to line and turnovers actually).
Tier 2
Carter...just will be a solid all around player and good defender. One of the best defenders and 3 pt shooters for a big in college. Nothing not to like, and I feel a very high floor.
Mikal Bridges...the 3 pt shooting, defense, over 7 ft wingspan...I like, but maybe not a fit
Porter if passes physical...with Bender looking like he can possibly play at the 5 (but we have other options there too..with later picks, FA, Sauce,etc), he could be a perfect fit at the 4. Of course I need to see him play, but given our desperate need for 3s and shooting, he could really help. With a clean bill of health if he returns back to form, I maybe put him at the top of this tier.
Tier 3
Bamba...if he could hit the 3, that'd be nice, but he is a tough one. Very bad assist rate. I didn't see much aggression when I saw him live..these bigs are tougher to evaluate in college, but the length cannot be denied. He seems pretty risky...like biggest bust potential of all these guys, but if his defense translates it could be good...I'd probably take Carter ahead of him at 7 though
Bagley...I know he has heart and works hard and is the guy scouts love, but I worry about adding another guy who can't shoot and doesn't play D. It's just tough with a guy who is a great inside scorer and rebounder, but what exactly is he, and he doesn't play much defense..worst of these bigs, and I don't think can play C..or shouldn't due to defense...we could use the rebounding...is he Blake Griffin? Amare? I don't know. If he can hit the 3 and especially play D, I would be higher on him. But at 33% from 3 in conference play (on low attempts - 8/24) and a 62% FT%, I don't think we can afford another non shooter.
Miles Bridges...can play PF, hit 3, rebound, take over a game if needed....can do a lot of good things...great work ethic and person as well....REALLY with he had another 3 inches on height and 4 inches on wingspan and could play PF...I think he is slighly under the radar
Mine will surely change once I watch the rest of college conference play, conference tourneys, the overall NCAA tourney, and more video and read more analysis...I will say I am disappointed with the DX guys going to espn because they have become lazy and those videos are gone. They are insiders and I guarantee if they posted those videos with breakdowns, they would probably double insider subscribers.
My rough rankings now...and this is very tough after the top two, though everyone after one is tough..some playing worse in conference play.
My big board updated 5/11
Tier 1a It would be very hard to pass on either of these guys at #1 but I lean Doncic.
Doncic dominates very experienced older players...far more experienced than NCAA opponents, and at a young age. Played better in Eurocup and Euroleague when stakes were higher...seems to have the skills to come into the NBA and be productive as a starter on day 1, and maybe one of, if not the best player on a team...very versatile....shooting #s suffered as season went on likely due to a myriad of factors...fatigue/more defensive focus/and most of shots taken off the dribble, but with the extremely high volume of 3s, and ability to get to the line, and insane 2pt%, his TS% stll eclipses 61%, and with his extremely solid FT% and shooting history, I think his shot is fine. I'm sure he will have some trouble adjusting to the speed and athleticism in the NBA, but his IQ and winning mentality along with his desire to be the best makes me think he will adjust fine, even if it might take much of his rookie year.
Tier 1b
Ayton...So many skills and will put up instant numbers and I think he has the skills to be good defensively but having watched him all year, his team defensive awareness seems to be lacking, and I've really been thinking of wanting to have a team with shooters, play makers and a great defensive rim protecting big, so it leaves me a bit in a quandary. He can seem to be running through the motions off ball on offense and seeting weak screens too and he should really be setting hard ones with that body. But given his size, wingspan, athleticism, ability to stretch the floor and guard the perimeter, he certainly has the tools to be good defensively if the iq is there.
JJJ is the prototypical best fit in today's NBA as a big...great shooter, defense and rim protector..with tons of upside...He thrives at what is needed in today's NBA and is still very young...he is similar to Bender, in that he blocks shots (though he is better at that) and shoots 3s (better at that too) though of course him being better is at the college level so who knows in the pros, but I think they could both play 4 or 5 and play together and allow us to stretch the floor with great shooting, while also being solid defenders who can both switch, block shots and protect the rim. I think with him and Bender at the 4/5 we could have solid defense with guys who can block shots and switch on defense...really modern NBA guys. The only problem is his weaknesses (fouls and finishing are similar to Bender's).
Young (his shooting and passing are great, but the percentages dropping in conference play continue to get more and more concerning, though I know it is more defensive attention). He has some great passing..watching him live I was most impressed with his vision on the entire floor...throwing full court passes to guys for easy layups...but almost 7 turnovers a game...that can't happen. If it does in college who knows what it would be like in the NBA. Still, his ability to get to the line, have such an insane TS% (over 60% even after recent slump) on such high volume while also leading the nation is assists (though turnovers as well...Hardenesque there....getting to line and turnovers actually).
Tier 2
Carter...just will be a solid all around player and good defender. One of the best defenders and 3 pt shooters for a big in college. Nothing not to like, and I feel a very high floor.
Mikal Bridges...the 3 pt shooting, defense, over 7 ft wingspan...I like, but maybe not a fit
Porter if passes physical...with Bender looking like he can possibly play at the 5 (but we have other options there too..with later picks, FA, Sauce,etc), he could be a perfect fit at the 4. Of course I need to see him play, but given our desperate need for 3s and shooting, he could really help. With a clean bill of health if he returns back to form, I maybe put him at the top of this tier.
Tier 3
Bamba...if he could hit the 3, that'd be nice, but he is a tough one. Very bad assist rate. I didn't see much aggression when I saw him live..these bigs are tougher to evaluate in college, but the length cannot be denied. He seems pretty risky...like biggest bust potential of all these guys, but if his defense translates it could be good...I'd probably take Carter ahead of him at 7 though
Bagley...I know he has heart and works hard and is the guy scouts love, but I worry about adding another guy who can't shoot and doesn't play D. It's just tough with a guy who is a great inside scorer and rebounder, but what exactly is he, and he doesn't play much defense..worst of these bigs, and I don't think can play C..or shouldn't due to defense...we could use the rebounding...is he Blake Griffin? Amare? I don't know. If he can hit the 3 and especially play D, I would be higher on him. But at 33% from 3 in conference play (on low attempts - 8/24) and a 62% FT%, I don't think we can afford another non shooter.
Miles Bridges...can play PF, hit 3, rebound, take over a game if needed....can do a lot of good things...great work ethic and person as well....REALLY with he had another 3 inches on height and 4 inches on wingspan and could play PF...I think he is slighly under the radar
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Doncic- easy number 1. He's just a damn fine player.
Ayton- I get the concerns but what he could become is just too good to pass up. If he hits his ceiling hes a guy other teams would have to game plan for.
Young- he could drop for me but a fun player.
JJJ- modern NBA big
Bamba- another swing for the fences guy. Can't teach his length
Porter- really have a hard time judging him. He could jump to 2 or fall to like
Bagley- question his fit in todays nba but **** at 7 he's a steal.
Sexson - love his pick and roll potential
Both bridges- good players just not as high on my board as the others. Some team is gonna be happy to get them mid lotto.
I like this lotto a lot, my favorite group in years.
Ayton- I get the concerns but what he could become is just too good to pass up. If he hits his ceiling hes a guy other teams would have to game plan for.
Young- he could drop for me but a fun player.
JJJ- modern NBA big
Bamba- another swing for the fences guy. Can't teach his length
Porter- really have a hard time judging him. He could jump to 2 or fall to like
Bagley- question his fit in todays nba but **** at 7 he's a steal.
Sexson - love his pick and roll potential
Both bridges- good players just not as high on my board as the others. Some team is gonna be happy to get them mid lotto.
I like this lotto a lot, my favorite group in years.
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My answers could change depending on how Payton meshes with the team the rest of the way. If he averages 16/8/4 on solid shooting and has chemistry then I'd likely avoid a guard since i feel the top prospects are close together.
2/11/18
Ayton- fills a need, dominant at times and getting 20/10. Not Hakeem, not d-rob, i see some Ewing in him, offensively and he would gobble up the rebounds for us with our forwards aversion to rebounding.
Young- love his game, amazing shooter amd passer. Good handle, would take the pressure off booker. Again, if Payton plays well the rest of the way I'd go big with our top pick.
Doncic- best euro prospect ever. Great shooter, passer, all around game. I have more doubts about his transition to point guard and defense than most others but I see the talent.
Bagley- I'm buying his hype. As a rookie he'll be better than faried. I see young amare(that rebounds) in him. If bender shows the ability to play center we'll need someone to average 12 RPG, Bagley could do that.
Bamba- if we fell this far I'd get someone I know can clean up defensive mistakes and be an anchor to our defense potentially being our gobert.
JJJ- i can tell hes more talented than chriss but I worry about the fouls he seems to pick up at a similar pace. Great shot blocker, meh rebounder, i can see the Myles turner resemblance.
Porter- need to see more, he's here for now.
3/13/18
1. ayton
2. Doncic
3. Bagley
4. JJJ
5. Trae
6. Porter
7. Bamba
8. Carter
9. Sexton
For our mid firsts
1. Shai
2. Porter
3. Gafford
4. Musa
5. Robinson
2/11/18
Ayton- fills a need, dominant at times and getting 20/10. Not Hakeem, not d-rob, i see some Ewing in him, offensively and he would gobble up the rebounds for us with our forwards aversion to rebounding.
Young- love his game, amazing shooter amd passer. Good handle, would take the pressure off booker. Again, if Payton plays well the rest of the way I'd go big with our top pick.
Doncic- best euro prospect ever. Great shooter, passer, all around game. I have more doubts about his transition to point guard and defense than most others but I see the talent.
Bagley- I'm buying his hype. As a rookie he'll be better than faried. I see young amare(that rebounds) in him. If bender shows the ability to play center we'll need someone to average 12 RPG, Bagley could do that.
Bamba- if we fell this far I'd get someone I know can clean up defensive mistakes and be an anchor to our defense potentially being our gobert.
JJJ- i can tell hes more talented than chriss but I worry about the fouls he seems to pick up at a similar pace. Great shot blocker, meh rebounder, i can see the Myles turner resemblance.
Porter- need to see more, he's here for now.
3/13/18
1. ayton
2. Doncic
3. Bagley
4. JJJ
5. Trae
6. Porter
7. Bamba
8. Carter
9. Sexton
For our mid firsts
1. Shai
2. Porter
3. Gafford
4. Musa
5. Robinson
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Tier 1
Ayton - Elite Physical tools, will be an elite offensive player. Defense still a question mark.
Doncic - Looks like he should be an all round elite offensive player, vision/scoring/jump shot. Can be a major matchup nightmare if he plays PG with his size. Defense/Athleticism are question marks.
Tier 2
Bamba - Gobert potential defensively with a better jumpshot
Bagley - Great Athlete and rebounder, Offensive game still developing, not a great defender
Young - Could be Stephy Curry 2.0 or Jimmer
Tier 3
Porter Jr
Jackson Jr
Ayton - Elite Physical tools, will be an elite offensive player. Defense still a question mark.
Doncic - Looks like he should be an all round elite offensive player, vision/scoring/jump shot. Can be a major matchup nightmare if he plays PG with his size. Defense/Athleticism are question marks.
Tier 2
Bamba - Gobert potential defensively with a better jumpshot
Bagley - Great Athlete and rebounder, Offensive game still developing, not a great defender
Young - Could be Stephy Curry 2.0 or Jimmer
Tier 3
Porter Jr
Jackson Jr
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I am not a huge Ayton fan, but I do think he is the guy that makes the most sense ultimately for the Suns
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DaleyBlind wrote:Tier 1
Ayton - Elite Physical tools, will be an elite offensive player. Defense still a question mark.
Doncic - Looks like he should be an all round elite offensive player, vision/scoring/jump shot. Can be a major matchup nightmare if he plays PG with his size. Defense/Athleticism are question marks.
Tier 2
Bamba - Gobert potential defensively with a better jumpshot
Bagley - Great Athlete and rebounder, Offensive game still developing, not a great defender
Young - Could be Stephy Curry 2.0 or Jimmer
Tier 3
Porter Jr
Jackson Jr
Pretty much the same here, I only got Bamba in tier 3, he is reaaaalllllyyyy skinny, he will need at least 2-3 years to get an NBA body, and a lot of ppl will be calling him bust during his first and second year.
I have Doncic ahead of Ayton in the first tier, becouse the level of competition he is facing daily, for 2-3 years now, and still leading his team 1st place in spanish league, and 5th (2 games out of 2nd) in Euroleague, plus was 1/B after Dragic's 1/A in the European championship winning squad last summer.
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Tier 1
Doncic/Trae
Tier 2
Ayton/Bagley
Not sure about it after these four prospects. Probably Porter if he is completely healthy.
Doncic/Trae
Tier 2
Ayton/Bagley
Not sure about it after these four prospects. Probably Porter if he is completely healthy.
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1. Doncic
2. Ayton
3. Young
4. Porter
5. JJJ
6. Bamba
7. Bagley (yea i don't want him)
2. Ayton
3. Young
4. Porter
5. JJJ
6. Bamba
7. Bagley (yea i don't want him)
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1. Ayton.
2. Trae.
3. Doncic.
4. Porter (depending on back)
5. Bagley. Tough between him and 3J. Take the player who is most ready to contribute now.
6. 3J
7. Bamba. I have these last three very close.
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2. Trae.
3. Doncic.
4. Porter (depending on back)
5. Bagley. Tough between him and 3J. Take the player who is most ready to contribute now.
6. 3J
7. Bamba. I have these last three very close.
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1. Doncic
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2. Young
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3. Ayton
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4. Porter Jr*
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5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Jackson Jr
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2. Young
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3. Ayton
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4. Porter Jr*
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5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Jackson Jr
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Djedefre wrote:1. Doncic
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2. Young
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4. Porter Jr*
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5. Bamba
6. Bagley
7. Jackson Jr
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8. whoever McD likes and takes here

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Tier 1
Doncic - Most proven, should help the team from his 1st game, his passing and shooting would be great addition.
Tier 2
Young - Crazy stats but turnovers and shot selection are worrisome, how would he fit on a team where he is not a lone star? Could he be solid defender?
Ayton - Exciting and scary at the same time (just like Young), can he use his tools on defense?
JJJ - Very young, son of a former player, plays great defense, the best shooter from top big men, I could see McD liking him very much. Fouls too much. If Bender will continue his good play he may be not the good fit as they are similar.
Tier 3
Porter - Big unknown, would be risky to draft injured player when others shows so much in the college, also another forward is not the biggest Suns need. But could use a good shooter.
Bamba - I don't like him as much as some posters, rim protection is nice but he is too limited. His leanness is a bit scary.
Tier 4
Bagley - It would be great to have a star from Arizona on the Suns but he is the worst fit from all the top prospects. Team already has too much forwards and too much players who can't shoot.
Doncic - Most proven, should help the team from his 1st game, his passing and shooting would be great addition.
Tier 2
Young - Crazy stats but turnovers and shot selection are worrisome, how would he fit on a team where he is not a lone star? Could he be solid defender?
Ayton - Exciting and scary at the same time (just like Young), can he use his tools on defense?
JJJ - Very young, son of a former player, plays great defense, the best shooter from top big men, I could see McD liking him very much. Fouls too much. If Bender will continue his good play he may be not the good fit as they are similar.
Tier 3
Porter - Big unknown, would be risky to draft injured player when others shows so much in the college, also another forward is not the biggest Suns need. But could use a good shooter.
Bamba - I don't like him as much as some posters, rim protection is nice but he is too limited. His leanness is a bit scary.
Tier 4
Bagley - It would be great to have a star from Arizona on the Suns but he is the worst fit from all the top prospects. Team already has too much forwards and too much players who can't shoot.
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I can't say I'm a drafting expert here, but from what I've seen from players and what I know about the Suns, I have a pretty strong opinion about who I want to take with what may be our most important pick in decades.
Tier 1: Transcendant Superstars.
De'Andre Ayton
One look at Ayton and you can tell he is going to have a good career in the NBA. He has a built frame and the strength of an ox, but he is lean enough to be extremely mobile. His physical tools are going to ensure that he will be a 70+ percent scorer by the basket and a beast on the boards. The near identical conference/non-conference play is good evidence for this.
While Ayton's physical tools are overwhelming, what really sets him apart is his skill and touch. Ayton shoots 74% from the line already, which is important because he is 8th in the Pac-10 in FTA. He has a jumper that is growing and while not a sharpshooter, can hit those face-up and turnaround jumpers that will separate him from other guys his size. He has the foundation for a versatile offensive arsenal.
I don't think he will be a game-changing defender, but what excites me is his ability to defend without fouling. Ayton averages 2.5 PFs a game (3.0 per 40), and we know from Marquese's profoundly disappointing play just how important staying out of foul trouble is to maintaining a nice long career in the NBA. A slight issue I found offensively is that he rarely drives to the basket on face-up opportunities, preferring to shoot most of the time. It's something to keep an eye on, but I think he will have easier time with better spacing and coaching at the next level. Also, he got off to a very hot start, but his most recent play has been slightly more human, and tons of draft evaluators seem very easily swayed by first impressions, so I take the continual placement of Ayton at number 1 on most draft boards with a huge grain of salt.
Luka Doncic
The Slovenian Supernova that is Luka Doncic averages 23 PTS, 6.6 AST, and 8 REBs per 36 in the second most competitive league in the world at 18 years of age. His ball handling is transcendent for his size, allowing him to break down most wings and shoot over most guards. He is only shooting 33% from 3, but at a high and consistent volume of 5 attempts per game. From inside the arc he shoots an impressive 59%, with picky and crafty shot selection and ability to finish with both hands (possibly the most underrated offensive skill as of late). What has everybody talking, however, is Luka's incredible passing. He has the vision and IQ to make the right reads in very short intervals of time, often being able to bail himself out driving full speed to the basket or in mid-air. This will be incredibly useful handling the ball in pnr scenarios, where he really does remind me of an inverse LeBron, creating from outside-in instead of inside-out. I can see him becoming a tremendous playmaker.
His major weaknesses as of now are his average leaping ability and lateral quickness. He will not be able to finish at the rim at an elite level on high volume like Lebron, so his game will have to come from elite outside shooting, which he may struggle with early on as he's proven to be a bit streaky. His shooting must be good enough to make teams pay when they put shorter guards on him, because he's going to really have to work hard on offense when being defended by Paul George/Jimmy Butler/Josh Jackson types if he isn't quick enough to get by them. Defensively, he suffers from a problem that most oversized PGs share, which is that he isn't quick enough to contain the Dennis Smith/Kyrie/Westbrook types of uber explosive guards, so his team must have another guard or wing to switch onto the PG. Lonzo doesn't have this privilege, but the Suns might w/ JJ. Luka has his weaknesses but the sheer talent he displays is unprecedented for his age. He seems like he could be a perfect fit here, and I would personally take him with the number one pick as of today (although it really is close).
Tier 2: Potential All-Star Talent
Michael Porter Jr.
If this young post scorer was healthy this year, he may have moved into tier 1. As of now, his lack of play at the collegiate level replaces a near-guaranteed conference topping statline with a bunch of question marks. I say near-guaranteed because MPJr has one of the purest scoring games I have seen in years. He gets a lot of his offense from the high post, and scores with his beautiful turnaround jumpshot and infinitely deep supply of crafty fakes and subversions. At 6-10 with a 7-1 wingspan and a high release point, he has enough size to shoot over most non-centers, and he has the speed to easily take frontcourt players off the dribble. His footwork is crisp for his age, and he doesn't seem to be afraid of shooting through contact and in tough game situations. He is also athletic and big enough to fill lanes and finish in spectacular fashion in the open floor. At his best I see him as a more athletically gifted Jayson Tatum, which should drop the pants of everyone who is watching that young man light it up on the Celtics. Defensively he has all the tools, but I haven't seen enough to really judge either way.
I've seen people compare MPJr to Kevin Durant and Garnett, and I absolutely see the mix of size, speed and skill that would put him in the same tier as those players, but I really want to see what role coaches put him in before jumping on that bandwagon. I don't think he is quite as fast as Durant is, or quite as strong as Garnett is. Injury history is really the biggest concern - anything to do with the spine really scares me. That is why the news that he may come back this season is so game changing. We may just get the taste we need to inspire confidence taking him top 3. He might just become the best player of the draft, but we need to see more first.
Mohammed Bamba
I knew the Muslim population of France is growing exorbitantly, but I didn't think you would convert Rudy!
In all seriousness, Mo Bamba is the spitting image of the stifle tower and will likely become a similarly efficient player. He is averaging 14 PTS and !!!!!!!!5 BLOCKS!!!!!!!!! per 40 for the Longhorns, and his borderline-human physical tools will allow him to continue his tradition of paint tyranny. He is shooting an okay and improving 67% from the line and is even taking threes, albeit at a very low volume and even lower efficiency. I see him with the same offensive limitations as Gobert as well, and will likely just become an inside presence, but the development of that corner three could put another weapon in his incredibly long arms. He must fill out as well, but it seems those Texas steaks are doing him some good already. He is much surer thing than the likes of Bagley and JJJ in my mind, as his role is already carved out and his means of filling that rebounding, rim-protecting, oop-finishing role seems to already be there. While he may never make an all star game, he can be an all-star level game changer in his less flashy but equally important role. As a Suns fan I really think we need another creator, but his fit as a defensive anchor and rim protector is undeniably a need for us.
Jaren Jackson Jr
I was a bit iffy about Jonathan Isaac last year, and JJJ is a very comparable player. Their statlines are nearly indistinguishable, with one key difference. JJJ is a better rim protector, averaging a Bamba-challenging 3.8 blocks per game in conference play (an unbelievable 6.7 per 40), and although he logged less steals per game, I believe he has the same versatility as Isaac. JJJ may end up being the best defender in the draft, and that says a lot considering the subject of the paragraph above is there too. JJJ has 1-on-1 defensive chops, can fill passing lanes, protect the rim at an elite level, and even rotate on the perimeter for brief stretches. Another key difference between the two is 3pt shooting, where Jaren has consistently improved each month, culminating in a ridiculous 53% January (3 attempts per game). That is extremely promising for reaching a versatile, Draymond Green type of role.
The weaknesses I find are firstly his limited offensive weapons beyond finishing. JJJ has athleticism and a fantastic motor, but his inability to create on the block will hold him back. He's gonna get a lot of his offense off of outlet passes and cuts into the paint, and his physical tools aren't quite as overpowering as Ayton/Bamba's. The biggest weakness as of now is his propensity for fouling. JJJ averages 5.9 fouls per 40 in conference play, which is nearly double the fouls tallied by Bamba and Ayton and triple the rate of Bagley. Like I mentioned earlier, Chriss serves as an example of what happens to foul prone bigs early in their careers. Chriss averaged about 1 more foul per 40, but JJJ's rate is still high enough to be a big red flag.
Finally, JJJ is the youngest player towards the top of the draft, turning 19 in September. He is half a year younger than both Bagley and Doncic, and will likely be the youngest player in the NBA come season's start.
These next two are in the same tier, but to me are more boom and more bust than the previous two. Call it Tier Alt-2..?
Marvin Bagley III
Although just a few months ago MB3 was heralded as a clear top 3 pick, his draft stock has recently felt a bit of turbulence as weaknesses began to show themselves in his game. Marvin is a clear example of one of those guys who would be totally unstoppable if he developed a jumpshot. He is already averaging 21 PPG over a blistering 121 ORTG, and that is with leaving points at the line (only 62% FT) and on the perimeter (31% on mostly wide open looks). Everything else is there. He is budding with his back towards the basket, with a nice dropstep and a beautiful left-handed (his strong hand) hook. His touch around the rim is feathery, and it is complimented by an athletic package that is more than enough to hold his own at the next level. He has speed and enough handles in the open floor to be a freight train in transition. Although streaky he can get a mid-range jumper going and it opens up the rest of his game, and he knows how to get to the line (7 FTAs per), I'm extremely impressed with his rebounding as well, averaging 4.4 offensive boards in conference play. He is certainly in contention for best athlete of the bunch. He is young, only turning 19 in March (half a month younger than Luka), and has plenty of time to put that jumper together. If he does that and adds a better right hand he could become one of the best offensive bigs in the game.
Defensively he has been slightly disappointing thus far. Although he stays out of foul trouble that is just as indicative of his less than stellar defensive motor as it is his incredible physical tools. He hasn't shown the same shot-blocking prowess of other bigs on this list, but his 1.4 steals per game is nice. Although not a defensive anchor, Bagley can be a versatile defender and is able to switch on both forward spots very comfortably as of now. Time will tell if he gains enough weight to guard NBA centers.
Overall, while MB3s play has been dipping as the season goes on, he is an incredibly young, incredibly athletic and talented player who is first in the conference in PER and must absolutely be considered as soon as Doncic and Ayton are off the board. The Suns need more shooting, but it would be tough to pass up on a power forward as gifted as this - especially a home grown one - and especially with the cashmere softness shown by the pair of top 10 picks we gambled on 2 years ago.
Trae Young
Finally, the player most of the board has been drooling over. Trae Young is obviously making history right now, and although my overhype detectors went off last year with the last freshman PG sensation, Trae Young might actually be worth a top 5 pick in the draft.
Trae's biggest strength is not his shooting, as most people think; it is actually his ability to get to the line. Trae is crafty, commands limitless space, and has impressive handles. He uses fakes nearly constantly, and is always weaving left and right when going towards the basket, as opposed to Josh Jackson-like straight line drives. He has a James Harden-like quality to him, and by the way uses the same cheesy shooting through the defender's arm move. In conference play, Trae takes 11.7 FTs a game, at free throw rate that sits snuggly between Curry and Harden's. Getting to the line is indicative of high scoring and high efficiency scoring, and breeds consistency. He also makes them when he gets there (83%). This puts him in stark contrast to that last guy from UCLA, who averaged 2.7 FTs a game.
That of course isn't to say his shooting isn't phenomenal. For all the threes he takes (11 attempts a game!!!!) and the level of difficulty he's taking them at it is incredible he can maintain 36% in conference. His form is textbook, his release is lightning quick, and he can take shots either from a standstill, moving left and right, and even stepping back. His shot selection has been wild as of late, but I'm sure he will reign it in when he's on a team with talent on it. The transition 3 will be a consistent weapon for him, and a lineup with him on it will be much better pushing the pace because of the defensive attention he commands. I'm excited to see him coming off of screens and curls. He is quick enough to get free, and I'm sure he will be relieved getting open shots for once.
Trae's passing has been very up and down. He shows great vision, and has a good touch on his passes, but gets very ambitious and looks to make THE pass instead of the RIGHT pass. While it is impressive that he reads through plays and understands where the ball needs to be to score, he must learn more restraint. While he can be a very good passer at the next level, Nash comparisons seem extremely premature. Averaging 9 assists is great if it doesn't come with 7 turnovers, but those turnovers are also a product of the insane amount of possessions Trae must handle the ball in.
Driving to the basket shows a bit of an area of concern for Trae and that is finishing inside. He is small and light at the college level, and he cannot play above the rim like a Donovan Mitchel or Dennis Smith can, which puts him at a huge disadvantage. I've seen him make brilliant moves to the basket, only to get his shot obliterated by a rim protector. The more he learns to make pocket passes to cutting teammates the more efficient he will be in those scenarios, bc as of now it seems like he will struggle in the NBA.
This recent game against Iowa was also a bit concerning. He got outplayed by Lindell Wigginton and locked up by a bad defensive team, and if that continues against more PG rivals it will become a deal-breaker for me. This is something Trae may have in common with that bust out in LA, if you remember how hard he got embarrassed against De'Aaron Fox. (sorry for all the unmitigated Zo hate, but I **** CALLED IT)
The biggest weakness for Trae is his defense. He is certainly quick, but he doesn't have the strength or athleticism to stay with bigger guards. One thing that must be noted is that Trae attacks on offense for the majority of games, and will inevitably take a few plays off out of exhaustion. That will improve with a smaller role in the league. Even so, with below average size and length, he doesn't project to be a particularly good defender in the league.
As primary ball handlers become bigger and bigger, Trae may not the most future-proof kind of player. Big backcourts have become a winning strategy, and I think the 6-7" Luka is a better option on both ends for us. NBA lineups are trending towards five 6-7" guys, and the Suns can get very close to that with Luka instead of Trae.
As it stands I am of the mind that we should take the BPA, so my board for the Suns looks like this:
1: Luka Doncic
2: De'Andre Ayton
3: Michael Porter
4: Trae Young
5: Mohamed Bamba
6: Marvin Bagley
7: Jaren Jackson Jr
Oh, also: this is the longest post you are ever gonna get from me bc it took like 3 hours to write. Enjoy it while I ice my hands.
Tier 1: Transcendant Superstars.
De'Andre Ayton
One look at Ayton and you can tell he is going to have a good career in the NBA. He has a built frame and the strength of an ox, but he is lean enough to be extremely mobile. His physical tools are going to ensure that he will be a 70+ percent scorer by the basket and a beast on the boards. The near identical conference/non-conference play is good evidence for this.
While Ayton's physical tools are overwhelming, what really sets him apart is his skill and touch. Ayton shoots 74% from the line already, which is important because he is 8th in the Pac-10 in FTA. He has a jumper that is growing and while not a sharpshooter, can hit those face-up and turnaround jumpers that will separate him from other guys his size. He has the foundation for a versatile offensive arsenal.
I don't think he will be a game-changing defender, but what excites me is his ability to defend without fouling. Ayton averages 2.5 PFs a game (3.0 per 40), and we know from Marquese's profoundly disappointing play just how important staying out of foul trouble is to maintaining a nice long career in the NBA. A slight issue I found offensively is that he rarely drives to the basket on face-up opportunities, preferring to shoot most of the time. It's something to keep an eye on, but I think he will have easier time with better spacing and coaching at the next level. Also, he got off to a very hot start, but his most recent play has been slightly more human, and tons of draft evaluators seem very easily swayed by first impressions, so I take the continual placement of Ayton at number 1 on most draft boards with a huge grain of salt.
Luka Doncic
The Slovenian Supernova that is Luka Doncic averages 23 PTS, 6.6 AST, and 8 REBs per 36 in the second most competitive league in the world at 18 years of age. His ball handling is transcendent for his size, allowing him to break down most wings and shoot over most guards. He is only shooting 33% from 3, but at a high and consistent volume of 5 attempts per game. From inside the arc he shoots an impressive 59%, with picky and crafty shot selection and ability to finish with both hands (possibly the most underrated offensive skill as of late). What has everybody talking, however, is Luka's incredible passing. He has the vision and IQ to make the right reads in very short intervals of time, often being able to bail himself out driving full speed to the basket or in mid-air. This will be incredibly useful handling the ball in pnr scenarios, where he really does remind me of an inverse LeBron, creating from outside-in instead of inside-out. I can see him becoming a tremendous playmaker.
His major weaknesses as of now are his average leaping ability and lateral quickness. He will not be able to finish at the rim at an elite level on high volume like Lebron, so his game will have to come from elite outside shooting, which he may struggle with early on as he's proven to be a bit streaky. His shooting must be good enough to make teams pay when they put shorter guards on him, because he's going to really have to work hard on offense when being defended by Paul George/Jimmy Butler/Josh Jackson types if he isn't quick enough to get by them. Defensively, he suffers from a problem that most oversized PGs share, which is that he isn't quick enough to contain the Dennis Smith/Kyrie/Westbrook types of uber explosive guards, so his team must have another guard or wing to switch onto the PG. Lonzo doesn't have this privilege, but the Suns might w/ JJ. Luka has his weaknesses but the sheer talent he displays is unprecedented for his age. He seems like he could be a perfect fit here, and I would personally take him with the number one pick as of today (although it really is close).
Tier 2: Potential All-Star Talent
Michael Porter Jr.
If this young post scorer was healthy this year, he may have moved into tier 1. As of now, his lack of play at the collegiate level replaces a near-guaranteed conference topping statline with a bunch of question marks. I say near-guaranteed because MPJr has one of the purest scoring games I have seen in years. He gets a lot of his offense from the high post, and scores with his beautiful turnaround jumpshot and infinitely deep supply of crafty fakes and subversions. At 6-10 with a 7-1 wingspan and a high release point, he has enough size to shoot over most non-centers, and he has the speed to easily take frontcourt players off the dribble. His footwork is crisp for his age, and he doesn't seem to be afraid of shooting through contact and in tough game situations. He is also athletic and big enough to fill lanes and finish in spectacular fashion in the open floor. At his best I see him as a more athletically gifted Jayson Tatum, which should drop the pants of everyone who is watching that young man light it up on the Celtics. Defensively he has all the tools, but I haven't seen enough to really judge either way.
I've seen people compare MPJr to Kevin Durant and Garnett, and I absolutely see the mix of size, speed and skill that would put him in the same tier as those players, but I really want to see what role coaches put him in before jumping on that bandwagon. I don't think he is quite as fast as Durant is, or quite as strong as Garnett is. Injury history is really the biggest concern - anything to do with the spine really scares me. That is why the news that he may come back this season is so game changing. We may just get the taste we need to inspire confidence taking him top 3. He might just become the best player of the draft, but we need to see more first.
Mohammed Bamba
I knew the Muslim population of France is growing exorbitantly, but I didn't think you would convert Rudy!
In all seriousness, Mo Bamba is the spitting image of the stifle tower and will likely become a similarly efficient player. He is averaging 14 PTS and !!!!!!!!5 BLOCKS!!!!!!!!! per 40 for the Longhorns, and his borderline-human physical tools will allow him to continue his tradition of paint tyranny. He is shooting an okay and improving 67% from the line and is even taking threes, albeit at a very low volume and even lower efficiency. I see him with the same offensive limitations as Gobert as well, and will likely just become an inside presence, but the development of that corner three could put another weapon in his incredibly long arms. He must fill out as well, but it seems those Texas steaks are doing him some good already. He is much surer thing than the likes of Bagley and JJJ in my mind, as his role is already carved out and his means of filling that rebounding, rim-protecting, oop-finishing role seems to already be there. While he may never make an all star game, he can be an all-star level game changer in his less flashy but equally important role. As a Suns fan I really think we need another creator, but his fit as a defensive anchor and rim protector is undeniably a need for us.
Jaren Jackson Jr
I was a bit iffy about Jonathan Isaac last year, and JJJ is a very comparable player. Their statlines are nearly indistinguishable, with one key difference. JJJ is a better rim protector, averaging a Bamba-challenging 3.8 blocks per game in conference play (an unbelievable 6.7 per 40), and although he logged less steals per game, I believe he has the same versatility as Isaac. JJJ may end up being the best defender in the draft, and that says a lot considering the subject of the paragraph above is there too. JJJ has 1-on-1 defensive chops, can fill passing lanes, protect the rim at an elite level, and even rotate on the perimeter for brief stretches. Another key difference between the two is 3pt shooting, where Jaren has consistently improved each month, culminating in a ridiculous 53% January (3 attempts per game). That is extremely promising for reaching a versatile, Draymond Green type of role.
The weaknesses I find are firstly his limited offensive weapons beyond finishing. JJJ has athleticism and a fantastic motor, but his inability to create on the block will hold him back. He's gonna get a lot of his offense off of outlet passes and cuts into the paint, and his physical tools aren't quite as overpowering as Ayton/Bamba's. The biggest weakness as of now is his propensity for fouling. JJJ averages 5.9 fouls per 40 in conference play, which is nearly double the fouls tallied by Bamba and Ayton and triple the rate of Bagley. Like I mentioned earlier, Chriss serves as an example of what happens to foul prone bigs early in their careers. Chriss averaged about 1 more foul per 40, but JJJ's rate is still high enough to be a big red flag.
Finally, JJJ is the youngest player towards the top of the draft, turning 19 in September. He is half a year younger than both Bagley and Doncic, and will likely be the youngest player in the NBA come season's start.
These next two are in the same tier, but to me are more boom and more bust than the previous two. Call it Tier Alt-2..?
Marvin Bagley III
Although just a few months ago MB3 was heralded as a clear top 3 pick, his draft stock has recently felt a bit of turbulence as weaknesses began to show themselves in his game. Marvin is a clear example of one of those guys who would be totally unstoppable if he developed a jumpshot. He is already averaging 21 PPG over a blistering 121 ORTG, and that is with leaving points at the line (only 62% FT) and on the perimeter (31% on mostly wide open looks). Everything else is there. He is budding with his back towards the basket, with a nice dropstep and a beautiful left-handed (his strong hand) hook. His touch around the rim is feathery, and it is complimented by an athletic package that is more than enough to hold his own at the next level. He has speed and enough handles in the open floor to be a freight train in transition. Although streaky he can get a mid-range jumper going and it opens up the rest of his game, and he knows how to get to the line (7 FTAs per), I'm extremely impressed with his rebounding as well, averaging 4.4 offensive boards in conference play. He is certainly in contention for best athlete of the bunch. He is young, only turning 19 in March (half a month younger than Luka), and has plenty of time to put that jumper together. If he does that and adds a better right hand he could become one of the best offensive bigs in the game.
Defensively he has been slightly disappointing thus far. Although he stays out of foul trouble that is just as indicative of his less than stellar defensive motor as it is his incredible physical tools. He hasn't shown the same shot-blocking prowess of other bigs on this list, but his 1.4 steals per game is nice. Although not a defensive anchor, Bagley can be a versatile defender and is able to switch on both forward spots very comfortably as of now. Time will tell if he gains enough weight to guard NBA centers.
Overall, while MB3s play has been dipping as the season goes on, he is an incredibly young, incredibly athletic and talented player who is first in the conference in PER and must absolutely be considered as soon as Doncic and Ayton are off the board. The Suns need more shooting, but it would be tough to pass up on a power forward as gifted as this - especially a home grown one - and especially with the cashmere softness shown by the pair of top 10 picks we gambled on 2 years ago.
Trae Young
Finally, the player most of the board has been drooling over. Trae Young is obviously making history right now, and although my overhype detectors went off last year with the last freshman PG sensation, Trae Young might actually be worth a top 5 pick in the draft.
Trae's biggest strength is not his shooting, as most people think; it is actually his ability to get to the line. Trae is crafty, commands limitless space, and has impressive handles. He uses fakes nearly constantly, and is always weaving left and right when going towards the basket, as opposed to Josh Jackson-like straight line drives. He has a James Harden-like quality to him, and by the way uses the same cheesy shooting through the defender's arm move. In conference play, Trae takes 11.7 FTs a game, at free throw rate that sits snuggly between Curry and Harden's. Getting to the line is indicative of high scoring and high efficiency scoring, and breeds consistency. He also makes them when he gets there (83%). This puts him in stark contrast to that last guy from UCLA, who averaged 2.7 FTs a game.
That of course isn't to say his shooting isn't phenomenal. For all the threes he takes (11 attempts a game!!!!) and the level of difficulty he's taking them at it is incredible he can maintain 36% in conference. His form is textbook, his release is lightning quick, and he can take shots either from a standstill, moving left and right, and even stepping back. His shot selection has been wild as of late, but I'm sure he will reign it in when he's on a team with talent on it. The transition 3 will be a consistent weapon for him, and a lineup with him on it will be much better pushing the pace because of the defensive attention he commands. I'm excited to see him coming off of screens and curls. He is quick enough to get free, and I'm sure he will be relieved getting open shots for once.
Trae's passing has been very up and down. He shows great vision, and has a good touch on his passes, but gets very ambitious and looks to make THE pass instead of the RIGHT pass. While it is impressive that he reads through plays and understands where the ball needs to be to score, he must learn more restraint. While he can be a very good passer at the next level, Nash comparisons seem extremely premature. Averaging 9 assists is great if it doesn't come with 7 turnovers, but those turnovers are also a product of the insane amount of possessions Trae must handle the ball in.
Driving to the basket shows a bit of an area of concern for Trae and that is finishing inside. He is small and light at the college level, and he cannot play above the rim like a Donovan Mitchel or Dennis Smith can, which puts him at a huge disadvantage. I've seen him make brilliant moves to the basket, only to get his shot obliterated by a rim protector. The more he learns to make pocket passes to cutting teammates the more efficient he will be in those scenarios, bc as of now it seems like he will struggle in the NBA.
This recent game against Iowa was also a bit concerning. He got outplayed by Lindell Wigginton and locked up by a bad defensive team, and if that continues against more PG rivals it will become a deal-breaker for me. This is something Trae may have in common with that bust out in LA, if you remember how hard he got embarrassed against De'Aaron Fox. (sorry for all the unmitigated Zo hate, but I **** CALLED IT)
The biggest weakness for Trae is his defense. He is certainly quick, but he doesn't have the strength or athleticism to stay with bigger guards. One thing that must be noted is that Trae attacks on offense for the majority of games, and will inevitably take a few plays off out of exhaustion. That will improve with a smaller role in the league. Even so, with below average size and length, he doesn't project to be a particularly good defender in the league.
As primary ball handlers become bigger and bigger, Trae may not the most future-proof kind of player. Big backcourts have become a winning strategy, and I think the 6-7" Luka is a better option on both ends for us. NBA lineups are trending towards five 6-7" guys, and the Suns can get very close to that with Luka instead of Trae.
As it stands I am of the mind that we should take the BPA, so my board for the Suns looks like this:
1: Luka Doncic
2: De'Andre Ayton
3: Michael Porter
4: Trae Young
5: Mohamed Bamba
6: Marvin Bagley
7: Jaren Jackson Jr
Oh, also: this is the longest post you are ever gonna get from me bc it took like 3 hours to write. Enjoy it while I ice my hands.
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Im hoping for bookends, one from each catagory, starting with lowest number available in one, than the lowest from other:
BIGGS:
1) Ayton
3) Bagley (more of a 4)
5) Porter (more of a 4)
6) Bamba
7) Jjj
9) Carter
10) Williams
14) Robinson
15) McCook
PGS:
2) Doncic
4) Trae Young
8) Colin Sexton
11) Shai
12) Anfernee Simmons (tweener)
13) Brown (tweener)
Perfect world, Miami gets the number 12 (i think 12-14 is realistic) and we end up with Ayton and Colin Sexton.
BIGGS:
1) Ayton
3) Bagley (more of a 4)
5) Porter (more of a 4)
6) Bamba
7) Jjj
9) Carter
10) Williams
14) Robinson
15) McCook
PGS:
2) Doncic
4) Trae Young
8) Colin Sexton
11) Shai
12) Anfernee Simmons (tweener)
13) Brown (tweener)
Perfect world, Miami gets the number 12 (i think 12-14 is realistic) and we end up with Ayton and Colin Sexton.
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Basing my tiers on the subjective feeling I get when I imagine drafting each guy.
Unreservedly Stoked:
1. Doncic: Versatile, proven winner, polished beyond his years, fits our team. Seems like his ceiling is Larry Bird and his floor is...maybe Tyreke Evans? Should have an immediate impact and a long career.
Totally down:
2. JJJ: Love this guy. Maybe less star potential than Ayton/Young/Porter but should be a true two-way player, which I really value. Prime Ibaka does seem like the best comparison but JJJ is a little bigger and should be able to play more C. His defense helps offset Booker's average D, his shooting spaces the floor for everyone while making it easier to accommodate weaker shooters like Warren and Payton, and his FT shooting is a great bonus too. I also like that he's showing all this at such a young age. No worries about him fitting into a front-court rotation with Bender/Chriss even though they do have similarities.
3. Ayton: Just some minor reservations about his defense and whether he can be as good as AD/KAT/Embiid. There seems to be less margin for error than there used to be for that type of center, by which I mean if you're not on that superstar level then you're basically on a level with guys like Vucevic, a solid player who no one really misses when he's gone.
Cautiously excited:
4. Porter: This certainly depends on his health but for this purpose I'm assuming our medical staff says he's fine. I know the least about him which also means I don't know as much about his weaknesses as I do for other guys. He's also not the greatest fit and taking him might require moving guys I really like, but that star potential is there and I think since JJ can play 2/3 and Bender can play 4/5, Porter can fit in as a 3/4. I love Warren but don't want him playing much at 4 so I see him eventually in that 6th man role others have described, so I think it can work with Porter.
5. Young I worry about his defense, turnovers, and adjustment to the NBA but his production is undeniable and the splash brothers potential is just delicious.
6. Bamba He's super intriguing but also seems to have the highest potential to totally bust out of all these top prospects (I guess now that our future is coming into more focus I'm more risk-averse would have been in other recent drafts).
Excitedly cautious:
7. Bagley
8. Mikal Bridges
9. Wendell Carter
10. Sexton
Unreservedly Stoked:
1. Doncic: Versatile, proven winner, polished beyond his years, fits our team. Seems like his ceiling is Larry Bird and his floor is...maybe Tyreke Evans? Should have an immediate impact and a long career.
Totally down:
2. JJJ: Love this guy. Maybe less star potential than Ayton/Young/Porter but should be a true two-way player, which I really value. Prime Ibaka does seem like the best comparison but JJJ is a little bigger and should be able to play more C. His defense helps offset Booker's average D, his shooting spaces the floor for everyone while making it easier to accommodate weaker shooters like Warren and Payton, and his FT shooting is a great bonus too. I also like that he's showing all this at such a young age. No worries about him fitting into a front-court rotation with Bender/Chriss even though they do have similarities.
3. Ayton: Just some minor reservations about his defense and whether he can be as good as AD/KAT/Embiid. There seems to be less margin for error than there used to be for that type of center, by which I mean if you're not on that superstar level then you're basically on a level with guys like Vucevic, a solid player who no one really misses when he's gone.
Cautiously excited:
4. Porter: This certainly depends on his health but for this purpose I'm assuming our medical staff says he's fine. I know the least about him which also means I don't know as much about his weaknesses as I do for other guys. He's also not the greatest fit and taking him might require moving guys I really like, but that star potential is there and I think since JJ can play 2/3 and Bender can play 4/5, Porter can fit in as a 3/4. I love Warren but don't want him playing much at 4 so I see him eventually in that 6th man role others have described, so I think it can work with Porter.
5. Young I worry about his defense, turnovers, and adjustment to the NBA but his production is undeniable and the splash brothers potential is just delicious.
6. Bamba He's super intriguing but also seems to have the highest potential to totally bust out of all these top prospects (I guess now that our future is coming into more focus I'm more risk-averse would have been in other recent drafts).
Excitedly cautious:
7. Bagley
8. Mikal Bridges
9. Wendell Carter
10. Sexton
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1. Young
2. Ayton
3. JJJ
4. Bagely
5. Doncic
6. Porter
7. Bamba
2. Ayton
3. JJJ
4. Bagely
5. Doncic
6. Porter
7. Bamba
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Well I'm glad you took those three hours because that was a fantastic post.
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Re: What is your draft big board?
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Re: What is your draft big board?
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Re: What is your draft big board?
1: Luka Doncic
2: De'Andre Ayton
3: Trae Young
4: Marvin Bagley
5: Mohamed Bamba
6: Michael Porter
7: Jaren Jackson Jr
8: Wendell Carter
9: Kevin Knox
10: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Yes, i feel that Sexton will fall out of the top 10.
2: De'Andre Ayton
3: Trae Young
4: Marvin Bagley
5: Mohamed Bamba
6: Michael Porter
7: Jaren Jackson Jr
8: Wendell Carter
9: Kevin Knox
10: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
Yes, i feel that Sexton will fall out of the top 10.
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Re: What is your draft big board?
1. Ayton
2. Porter Jr.
3. Bagley
4. Doncic
5. Young
6. Knox
7. Bamba
8. Carter
9. Sexton
10. Jackson Jr.
..... everyone else
2. Porter Jr.
3. Bagley
4. Doncic
5. Young
6. Knox
7. Bamba
8. Carter
9. Sexton
10. Jackson Jr.
..... everyone else