The Draft (Postseason Edition): 1/16/31/59 (NEW POLL)

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saintEscaton · Post #424 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:42 pm

Main concern with Jackson is high foul rate, inability to finish down low for a big man(low compared to even guards) but some of that can be attributed to being played out of position as a PF by Izzo. Also he seems to shoot from his chest which limits his off the dribble/pull up ability and he can't really create for himself or others as a playmaker. Bamba is the superior 1v1 man defender/shot alterer and more raw potential due to measurables but Jackson is over a full year younger and could also l be a future DPOY candidate showing ability to switch onto smaller players farther away from the rim and as a helpside enforcer.

JMac1 · Post #425 » by **JMac1** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:02 pm

It would be interesting if we fell to 3 and MPJ medical was clean.......

Post #426 » by **ATTL** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:55 pm

So can luka be a similar player to simmons?

Sunsfan12 · Post #427 » by **Sunsfan12** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:09 pm

ATTL wrote:So can luka be a similar player to simmons?

I think there are definitely some similarities. Simmons is the better rebounder and Doncic the better shooter. Both can control an offense at a large size ala LeBron.

Villalobos · Post #428 » by **Villalobos** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:10 pm

ATTL wrote:So can luka be a similar player to simmons?

Similar in a big point guard, yeah, I think so, but he's not as fast and athletic and strong as Simmons. So he won't be able to get to the rim or rebound like Simmons. On the other hand, he can actually shoot.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #429 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:30 pm

Simmons is so big strong and fast he's a tough comp for anyone short of LeBron.

How about this comp for doncic... a 6 8 version of goran dragic?

BobbieL · Post #430 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:10 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Simmons is so big strong and fast he's a tough comp for anyone short of LeBron.

How about this comp for doncic... a 6 8 version of goran dragic?

can't go wrong with either Ayton or Doncic

but when I see a guy like Anthony Davis - with the size, athleticism - those big guys with that skill set, are hard to find. please let the Suns get a top 2 pick

WeekapaugGroove · Post #431 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 10:46 pm

BobbieL wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Simmons is so big strong and fast he's a tough comp for anyone short of LeBron.

How about this comp for doncic... a 6 8 version of goran dragic?

can't go wrong with either Ayton or Doncic

but when I see a guy like Anthony Davis - with the size, athleticism - those big guys with that skill set, are hard to find. please let the Suns get a top 2 pick

Im with you that they are both excellent prospects. I prefer doncic but would understand if they pick Ayton.

Now I don't see an AD comp with Ayton. Davis foundation of his game is defense and on o he's more perimeter oriented. Ayton is more of a physical presence and real C. To me he's more like pre injury andrew bynum or any of those beasts from the heyday of c's. A nightmare matchup for todays smaller cs if he pans out.

Actually the guy who is more Davis is... gulp JJJ. Davis was a better prospect but there are similarities in their games.

TheLogician · Post #432 » by **TheLogician** » Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:30 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Simmons is so big strong and fast he's a tough comp for anyone short of LeBron.

How about this comp for doncic... a 6 8 version of goran dragic?

can't go wrong with either Ayton or Doncic

but when I see a guy like Anthony Davis - with the size, athleticism - those big guys with that skill set, are hard to find. please let the Suns get a top 2 pick

Im with you that they are both excellent prospects. I prefer doncic but would understand if they pick Ayton.

Now I don't see an AD comp with Ayton. Davis foundation of his game is defense and on o he's more perimeter oriented. Ayton is more of a physical presence and real C. To me he's more like pre injury andrew bynum or any of those beasts from the heyday of c's. A nightmare matchup for todays smaller cs if he pans out.

Actually the guy who is more Davis is... gulp JJJ. Davis was a better prospect but there are similarities in their games.

Davis is not perimeter oriented. He gets most of his points around the basket and at the line. Bynum never had Ayton's stroke, pre or post-injury. Ayton is Boogie without the character problems. He is a modern C through and through.

BobbieL · Post #433 » by **BobbieL** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:46 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Simmons is so big strong and fast he's a tough comp for anyone short of LeBron.

How about this comp for doncic... a 6 8 version of goran dragic?

can't go wrong with either Ayton or Doncic

but when I see a guy like Anthony Davis - with the size, athleticism - those big guys with that skill set, are hard to find. please let the Suns get a top 2 pick

Im with you that they are both excellent prospects. I prefer doncic but would understand if they pick Ayton.

Now I don't see an AD comp with Ayton. Davis foundation of his game is defense and on o he's more perimeter oriented. Ayton is more of a physical presence and real C. To me he's more like pre injury andrew bynum or any of those beasts from the heyday of c's. A nightmare matchup for todays smaller cs if he pans out.

Actually the guy who is more Davis is... gulp JJJ. Davis was a better prospect but there are similarities in their games.

I should have been clearer when I mentioned Davis and Ayton. It was more about the size/athleticism of a 7 footer and how those guys are rare and far between. And if you get one, they can still dominate a game . Bill Walton has compared Ayton to David Robinson with his athleticism at the Center position. That's a pretty good comp and if the Suns were to get Ayton - I would truly be okay with that

Post #434 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:48 am

I'm off the JJJ train. I don't think we have the roster to make great use of him, he's kinda similar to Bender of you really think about it (3&D, weak finisher and questionable aggressiveness) and I think he's a little too raw.

Villalobos · Post #435 » by **Villalobos** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:06 am

I was OK with JJJr if the Suns got Bud to develop him. Without that, nopenopenope.

thamadkant · Post #436 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:08 am

saintEscaton wrote:Main concern with Jackson is high foul rate, inability to finish down low for a big man(low compared to even guards) but some of that can be attributed to being played out of position as a PF by Izzo. Also he seems to shoot from his chest which limits his off the dribble/pull up ability and he can't really create for himself or others as a playmaker. Bamba is the superior 1v1 man defender/shot alterer and more raw potential due to measurables but Jackson is over a full year younger and could also l be a future DPOY candidate showing ability to switch onto smaller players farther away from the rim and as a helpside enforcer.

Bamba has 5 inch longer wingspan than Jackson Jr which is ridiculous so he literally just have to jump slightly to make his man alter his shot. But with that said... He's easy to bully down low... He is about 2 years away from being a proper shot altered down low. Jackson Jr is better roaming around as a defender... He covers ground very very well due to his length and moves laterally well for a 6'11 guy.

My take is ... JJJ offensively will be 3 years way from being legit there... Meanwhile he will just be a open lane dunker or spot shooter outside... But defensively he would be guarding multiple positions well already. Bamba in the other hand would be bullied down low in both ends until he develops better strength. Like Capela... It took him 2 to 3 years before he could get strong enough to hold his ground and hence get minutes.

JMac1 · Post #437 » by **JMac1** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:10 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I'm off the JJJ train. I don't think we have the roster to make great use of him, he's kinda similar to Bender of you really think about it (3&D, weak finisher and questionable aggressiveness) and I think he's a little too raw.

My sentiments as well. I’d rather take MPJ at 4 if not Trae.

A healthy MPJ or Trae at 4.

Ayton
Bagley
Doncic
Trae
MPJ

All have star potential no one else in this draft is higher than those guys. Bamba possibly.

saintEscaton · Post #438 » by **saintEscaton** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:14 am

Ayton, Donicic, MPJ, Trae, Bagley, Bamba, JJr in that order for me

Mjee · Post #439 » by **Mjee** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:26 am

No thanks to JJJ .... we don’t need projects

thamadkant · Post #440 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:37 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I'm off the JJJ train. I don't think we have the roster to make great use of him, he's kinda similar to Bender of you really think about it (3&D, weak finisher and questionable aggressiveness) and I think he's a little too raw.

Bender with BALLS... isnt that what is lacking with Bender?

JJJ is also a WAY better shot blocker and athlete.... not even close. He's got Anthony Davis like athleticism.

He's 18 years old, rich american dude... i dont think he'll be passive as Bender.

For me... Pick 1 and 2, basically Ayton and Doncic, which ever falls to Suns.

Pick 3 and 4.... High Risk, might aswell grab someone who WILL be part of the core and cornerstone. And to me, Suns need a high potential Shot blocker who can guard multiple positions... Bamba aint that, but Jackson Jr ticks the boxes.

NOW.... if Michael Porter really wows his workouts, I see him being the pick as well... and make moves to make him fit.

Trae Young, same as Porter... depends on his workouts and if Suns can maneuver moves.

Who do you want us to draft?