2018 Draft Night Discussion

saintEscaton · Post #1641 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:48 pm

Villalobos wrote:wonder what the chances are McD goes full Billy King when this roster inevitably doesn't look that great this season

YOU GET AN UNPROTECTED PICK

YOU GET AN UNPROTECTED PICK

4/13, same odds as Lebron signing with the Lakers

Post #1642 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:48 pm

Villalobos wrote:wonder what the chances are McD goes full Billy King when this roster inevitably doesn't look that great this season

YOU GET AN UNPROTECTED PICK

YOU GET AN UNPROTECTED PICK

I am scared he will end up dealing one of our own picks to S&T Gordon or something.

Post #1643 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:50 pm

JMac1 wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Well it's quite possible he's just not a good gm.

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yep, and he learned from the best in the business.
Makes no sense at all.

We have

Booker
Jackson
Ayton
Bridges
Warren
Knight (still a solid player when healthy)
Bender
Okobo
Chriss
Daniels

versus what did we have before he got here? I know as Suns fans we aren't allowed to covet our players like Laker and Celtic and Knick fans until they have retired and been inducted into the HOF, however, I think McD has put a lot of talent in the cupboard. Where were we when Nash left and for how long? Since 2014 he has been jamming. We had to tank and it worked! Now the true test starts today.

Sarver didn't embrace the new style rebuild until two years ago.

Yeah, he's gotten some talent. I'd hope so drafting in the lottery every year and usually in the high lottery.

saintEscaton · Post #1644 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:51 pm

There is a real conflict of interest between McD's job security and the long term wellbeing of this team. Hope it gets resolved for the good of us all.

Moochthemonkey · Post #1645 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:51 pm

Villalobos wrote:wonder what the chances are McD goes full Billy King when this roster inevitably doesn't look that great this season

YOU GET AN UNPROTECTED PICK

YOU GET AN UNPROTECTED PICK

JMac1 · Post #1646 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:53 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:The whole Brooklyn fiasco of a trade with Boston has really changed people's views of trading future picks.

It's a great example of the danger of doing it but it was also a bit of an anomaly and probably has people overrating future picks.

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It was one pick, and not even our own.... I am agreeing with you BTW.

JMac1 · Post #1647 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:54 pm

saintEscaton wrote:There is a real conflict of interest between McD's job security and the long term wellbeing of this team. Hope it gets resolved for the good of us all.

Are you guys going to go on all season or 3 years with this? Just curious.... :noway:

WeekapaugGroove · Post #1648 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:58 pm

JMac1 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:The whole Brooklyn fiasco of a trade with Boston has really changed people's views of trading future picks.

It's a great example of the danger of doing it but it was also a bit of an anomaly and probably has people overrating future picks.

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It was one pick, and not even our own.... I am agreeing with you BTW.

Yeah it's certainly better that it's not their own pick.

I'm not killing yesterday's trade just acknowledging it was absolutely a risky move.

Was just saying in general because we've seen some disastorous trades involving future picks the last few years it's got everyone spooked.

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sunsbum · Post #1649 » by **sunsbum** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:59 pm

JMac1 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:There is a real conflict of interest between McD's job security and the long term wellbeing of this team. Hope it gets resolved for the good of us all.

Are you guys going to go on all season or 3 years with this? Just curious....

Some of these dudes still cry about the Andre Iggy pick.

Blackification · Post #1650 » by **Blackification** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:01 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
Blackification wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
And Mikal was laughing....he's probably a huge Philly/Embiid fan.

I tuned in a little late...did anyone ask Mikal a question? I kind of felt bad for Mikal when they asked Ayton what it meant to be staying here at home and he talked about him and his mom and stuff....wondered what was going through Mikal's head.

He had some questions asked early on, he talked about his reaction to the trade and all that.

I read that Embiid and Ayton are friends and they were working out together last week. Can't remember where though. Ayton knows Embiid is a troll and he is smart to not take the bait. Dave King starting off on the wrong foot.

Read on Twitter

Mikal laughing like don't kill him.

JMac1 · Post #1651 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:01 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:
yep, and he learned from the best in the business.
Makes no sense at all.

We have

Booker
Jackson
Ayton
Bridges
Warren
Knight (still a solid player when healthy)
Bender
Okobo
Chriss
Daniels

versus what did we have before he got here? I know as Suns fans we aren't allowed to covet our players like Laker and Celtic and Knick fans until they have retired and been inducted into the HOF, however, I think McD has put a lot of talent in the cupboard. Where were we when Nash left and for how long? Since 2014 he has been jamming. We had to tank and it worked! Now the true test starts today.

Sarver didn't embrace the new style rebuild until two years ago.

Yeah, he's gotten some talent. I'd hope so drafting in the lottery every year and usually in the high lottery.

Doesn't matter how...... He directed the tank to get us the 4th 4th and 1st pick. so there that...We could have picked 10-14 for four straight years like we use to. Just saying.

I swear to god. This board is so negative its disgusting. We get the number 1 pick, "how can I complain and whine" we have a great draft "how can I complain and whine"

You figure at some point we could collectively be happy for at least 5 mins........... :nonono:

Sad. I feel so bad for some people here. Life must suck to be so negative and complain about simple Simon ****. I know I am the bad guy for posting this. Most come here looking for people to whine and complain to to find common solace....

I don't need this ****. This board sucks the life out of me sometimes.

Blackification · Post #1652 » by **Blackification** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:02 pm

https://www.nba.com/suns/now

Lindsey is doing one on one interviews. Worth it just for Lindsey

saintEscaton · Post #1653 » by **saintEscaton** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:03 pm

Fine everything is rainbows and butterflies for now

Moochthemonkey · Post #1654 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:03 pm

saintEscaton wrote:There is a real conflict of interest between McD's job security and the long term wellbeing of this team. Hope it gets resolved for the good of us all.

-long term wellbeing? does tanking for three straight years not mean much to you?
-McD has obtained 7 draft picks out of Scola/Gortat/Thomas/Dragic/Bledsoe/Morris
-What other teams have accumulated this much since 2013?
-4 of these obtained firsts have been traded: 1 was a misstep, 3 were used to move higher up in the draft. The bottom line is none where to used to trade for expirings or old players. To suggest McD has been or is closing in to being Billy King, is unfounded

I'm not saying McD is a good GM by any stretch but you should relax that opinion for now.

Mjee · Post #1655 » by **Mjee** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:03 pm

On the bright side, I am super happy with our picks this year. 2021 Miami pick???? Who cares?????????

I am excited to see McD make some moves in FA

JMac1 · Post #1656 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:04 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:The whole Brooklyn fiasco of a trade with Boston has really changed people's views of trading future picks.

It's a great example of the danger of doing it but it was also a bit of an anomaly and probably has people overrating future picks.

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It was one pick, and not even our own.... I am agreeing with you BTW.
Yeah it's certainly better that it's not their own pick.

I'm not killing yesterday's trade just acknowledging it was absolutely a risky move.

Was just saying in general because we've seen some disastorous trades involving future picks the last few years it's got everyone spooked.

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I get that but why get spooked three years before you have to?

Post #1657 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:07 pm

sunsbum wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:There is a real conflict of interest between McD's job security and the long term wellbeing of this team. Hope it gets resolved for the good of us all.

Are you guys going to go on all season or 3 years with this? Just curious....

Some of these dudes still cry about the Andre Iggy pick.

Yeah, that was a terrible trade.

jcsunsfan · Post #1658 » by **jcsunsfan** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:07 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
JMac1 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:The whole Brooklyn fiasco of a trade with Boston has really changed people's views of trading future picks.

It's a great example of the danger of doing it but it was also a bit of an anomaly and probably has people overrating future picks.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

It was one pick, and not even our own.... I am agreeing with you BTW.
Yeah it's certainly better that it's not their own pick.

I'm not killing yesterday's trade just acknowledging it was absolutely a risky move.

Was just saying in general because we've seen some disastorous trades involving future picks the last few years it's got everyone spooked.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using RealGM mobile app

Risky depends on how you look at it. The sure thing is drafting Mikal now. There is about a 10% chance the player we would have drafted with the 2021 pick would be better than Mikal. Miami's future record is unknown, how the lotto falls out is unknown, whether we make a good choice or not is unknown, how long that player (a high schooler by then?) will take is unknown. But our needs are very much present. We need players now, especially if we are going to keep Booker happy.

But there is an outside chance that pick could produce a generational player. I think most like the trade but think we could have protected the pick. If we had managed top 3 protection, most people would be thrilled. But for me, if it was unprotected or no deal, I make the deal. Its a legit gripe of Suns fans. I don't think we have ever protected a pick that we traded.

JMac1 · Post #1659 » by **JMac1** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:13 pm

saintEscaton wrote:Fine everything is rainbows and butterflies for now

See, that's the type of thinking I am talking about. And yea, I am calling you out. Why does things have to be extremes? No middle ground?

Focusing on the positive. Never heard of that? Come see me, I 'll teach you how it is done.

Post #1660 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:14 pm

JMac1 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
JMac1 wrote:

We have

Booker
Jackson
Ayton
Bridges
Warren
Knight (still a solid player when healthy)
Bender
Okobo
Chriss
Daniels

versus what did we have before he got here? I know as Suns fans we aren't allowed to covet our players like Laker and Celtic and Knick fans until they have retired and been inducted into the HOF, however, I think McD has put a lot of talent in the cupboard. Where were we when Nash left and for how long? Since 2014 he has been jamming. We had to tank and it worked! Now the true test starts today.

Sarver didn't embrace the new style rebuild until two years ago.

Yeah, he's gotten some talent. I'd hope so drafting in the lottery every year and usually in the high lottery.

Doesn't matter how...... He directed the tank to get us the 4th 4th and 1st pick. so there that...We could have picked 10-14 for four straight years like we use to. Just saying.

I swear to god. This board is so negative its disgusting. We get the number 1 pick, "how can I complain and whine" we have a great draft "how can I complain and whine"

You figure at some point we could collective be happy for at least 5 mins........... Sad. I feel so bad for some people here. Life must suck to be so negative and complain about simple Simon ****. I know I am the bad guy for posting this. Most come here looking for people to whine and complain to to find common solace....

I don't need this ****. This board sucks the life out of me sometimes.

I'm super stoked about this draft. I love Mikal. I love Ayton, and heck, I first posted here about Elie Oboko a few months ago when Wilber told me I had wasted my time on a write up for a guy that won't even get drafted.

I won't lie and say it's not a lot to give to move up, but I'm pretty tired of waiting too. Hopefully it's not the #1 pick and LeBron James son or something,...but ultimately the pick could be anywhere. Typically I don't think it's the type of asset you use to move up that many spots, but that doesn't mean I'm not happy and excited.

Mikal is going to be a big difference maker to this team. He's a winner, efficient shooter and great defender with great length. Back when I though we might be drafting 5th-7th long ago, I started thinking why not just take him at one point? viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1661738

So I'm quite high on him.