Saberestar wrote: bwgood77 wrote:
Saberestar wrote:I think the value is gonna be a little bit higher...something like Melton + Milwaukee pick for Dinwiddie.
Arthur + Mil pick for Cory Joseph can be a decent trade if we want Melton on the roster.
Yeah, if you're looking at ast/to ratio and DBPM both, then Cory Joseph is 3-1 with a slightly positive DBPM last year. DBPM doesn't really totally measure how good you are at defense.
One thing about Cory Joseph....every team he's played on has been a really good team. In San Antonio from 2011-2015, then 2 years in Toronto then he goes to Indy and they have a breakout season. I'm not saying he's really the reason, but he's been around a lot of coaches, teams and players that know how to win. I'm not entirely sure how much of an upgrade he is though or what I'd trade for him. I haven't watched him a lot.
Yeah, I have observed that too.
And other thing that I like is that he has not been just a simple backup the last couple of years. He played 25 mpg two seasons ago and 27 mpg for the Pacers last season.
He is an efficient player that is not flashy but makes his job done on both sides of the court. If the price is not high I would trade for him.
I've had a problem identifying a good trade for Joseph. I could see them being interested in TJ as a 3/4, but that's worth way more than one year of Joseph (IMO), and we'd still need to make up the $$$ gap between Cory and TJ. I'm not willing to part with a first for him. Evans is likely to spend time at the 1, which makes Collison and Joseph redundant, but I just don't know what the Pacers would want what we'd be willing to give up. All of our young players aside from possibly Reed/Okobo/Melton (and excluding Holmes) are too valuable to trade for him. Arthur and two seconds? McD has paid two seconds for a rental before (B. Wright).
It sure seems like next year's FA class will have a lot of pretty decent PG's available. Basically every player we've discussed is among that group - Tyus Jones, Rubio, Walker, Rozier, Joseph, Lin if he plays a full season, Delon Wright, McConnell, Brogdon, Dinwiddie, Beverley.... Irving, Dragic, Teague as well if they opt out. Certainly, one of those teams must not plan to keep their PG beyond this season.
I am starting to come around about our logjam at the SF. With Anderson needing minutes, you can't just shove all of Ariza's minutes in at the 4. I expect him and Anderson to play less for us than they did with the Rockets, but still. I'm convinced Bender will play, too. Either JJ's living in the backcourt or Warren's gotta be moved for a point guard. If I'm generating a rotation with the roster we have, I'm leaning toward a Booker/Jackson backcourt. If I'm looking to start Jackson, trading Warren for a PG won't get me any closer - all it does is clear space for JJ to be our sixth man. We have plenty of backup PGs and don't really need another. But if the plan was to go Booker/JJ at the guard spots, wouldn't the FO have said so already??
The FO is keeping us very much in the dark about what's going on, which leads me to believe we're in meaningful trade discussions, or for some technical reason the team has to wait to pull the trigger on a deal they've had lined up for several weeks. We have the pieces to do something pretty massive. I just wish I knew what was going on!!!