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Serious question. Do we still NEED a PG?

Cannon is not an allstar, but you can't complain too much about his play. He's hitting 37.7% of this 3's, averaging less then 2 turnovers, and looks pretty solid. He's not an elite at getting to the rim, but he nails open shots. He's not a great passer, but he's not a Brandon Knight turnover machine either.

Meanwhile, I think Okobo has looked fantastic...YES Fantastic...in his limited playing time.

We also have Melton who I don't think has looked as good as Okobo, but still looks good and deserves a bit more burn.

So with all 3 PG's playing solid/impressive/good-with-potential, do we still HAVE to trade for a PG?

I say no.

If we can snag someone for the right price...SURE. Let's do it. But if we have to finish the season with these 3 + pointBook, I'm OK with it.

Canaan's %s only look that good because he was on fire shooting the other night. He isn't that bad, but should not be starting, or probably be a backup if you are a good team. I think Okobo will quickly improve, and maybe Melton. We need one, but I am not sure there are any good trades out there we could make prior to Dec 15th or we probably would have made one. Come 12/15, we will see what all these guys are looking like. I feel like Ariza may not want to be here so maybe there will be a trade out there that makes sense...we have certainly brought up a lot of ideas. If any team feels they have a surplus of PGs but needs an experienced wing, maybe they make a trade, but of course we only mention teams with expiring PG contracts so we can still go after one in FA, so that basically leaves the Indy ones, Rubio and Hill (which would probably have to be a 3 way trade as I don't think they'd want Ariza or him to go there (no that it matters what he thinks))...there are some other restricted ones too and of course the bigger names but I doubt it's worth trading for them or they would be traded anyway.

Yes clearly, we have the worst point guard rotation in the league and we're far from guaranteed that our second rounders develop into starting-caliber players. Canaan has played fairly well for the circumstances, but he's a bad defender and bad playmaker at the point guard.

Okobo has looked alright, can't say I'd call him fantastic so far though. His defense definitely needs work and he's not shooting the ball too well. Melton's played well defensively, but his offense still has a long way to go. I like them, but neither are sure things.

Yes. Yes! YES!

Even in the 3 wins we're still clearly lacking a 2nd competent ball handler who can take pressure off Booker. Okobo right now is whatever. He's still a G-league level guy and so is Melton. Canaan is barely a 2nd stringer but for what he is, he's been playing well. If we want to stay mediocre, we don't need a PG. But if we want to elevate the player we have, make the system work as intended and become more competitive, we absolutely cannot rely on our current rotation of PG's.

Agree or Disagree

Canaan and Okobo have done better then Brandon Knight?

(I say AGREE) (but that's not a high bar)

Yes.

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Yes but we're not desperate enough to do a lopsided trade. If the right trade comes along, great, if not let's hold on until the off season and fish something out of the PG-heavy free agency pool.

I'd like to see Okobo get more minutes before we pull the trigger on a trade, because the answer is yes, we need a point guard, but we might have one.

LukasBMW wrote:Agree or Disagree

Canaan and Okobo have done better then Brandon Knight?

(I say AGREE) (but that's not a high bar)

That's unfair to say considering Knight has yet to play a game this season. Let's wait till he plays before proclaiming who has done better, eh?

I don't feel that an crap shot at the draft is going to do us any good given how bad our track record with the draft is. remember how KJ was stuck behind Mark Price and despite paying a steep price for him how acquiring him turned the franchise around almost instantly. Rozier could be the our next KJ, I understand the intrigue that comes with draft picks because the possibility of it turning into something magnificent but 1 million in my pocket right now is worth more than the 10 millions that i might or might not get in the future. When a known commodity like Rozier is available, he is worth more than that draft pick that might turn out to be the next Lebron in a 1 in a million shot or as easily the next Bender or Chriss.

LukasBMW wrote:Cannon is not an allstar, but you can't complain too much about his play. He's hitting 37.7% of this 3's, averaging less then 2 turnovers, and looks pretty solid. He's not an elite at getting to the rim, but he nails open shots. He's not a great passer, but he's not a Brandon Knight turnover machine either.

Canaan only looked decent in the Spurs win because he got lucky and hit virtually every shot he took. Still had only one assist, and the lowest +/- of the starters.

If he can keep shooting 90% the rest of the way, fine he's usable. Otherwise, regular Canaan is maybe a serviceable backup PG, not a starter. His court vision sucks, passing sucks, instincts to identify mismatches is non-existent, and he is short.

I'm someone who thinks you can definitely win with just average PG play, but Canaan is not close to that.

Yes, we need a PG.

SuperSunsFan wrote:I don't feel that an crap shot at the draft is going to do us any good given how bad our track record with the draft is. remember how KJ was stuck behind Mark Price and despite paying a steep price for him how acquiring him turned the franchise around almost instantly. Rozier could be the our next KJ, I understand the intrigue that comes with draft picks because the possibility of it turning into something magnificent but 1 million in my pocket right now is worth more than the 10 millions that i might or might not get in the future. When a known commodity like Rozier is available, he is worth more than that draft pick that might turn out to be the next Lebron in a 1 in a million shot or as easily the next Bender or Chriss.

I am probably the biggest KJ fan around other than GMAT and Rozier is FAR FAR FAR from the caliber of player of KJ. That is extremely insulting.

bwgood77 wrote:

SuperSunsFan wrote:I don't feel that an crap shot at the draft is going to do us any good given how bad our track record with the draft is. remember how KJ was stuck behind Mark Price and despite paying a steep price for him how acquiring him turned the franchise around almost instantly. Rozier could be the our next KJ, I understand the intrigue that comes with draft picks because the possibility of it turning into something magnificent but 1 million in my pocket right now is worth more than the 10 millions that i might or might not get in the future. When a known commodity like Rozier is available, he is worth more than that draft pick that might turn out to be the next Lebron in a 1 in a million shot or as easily the next Bender or Chriss.

I am probably the biggest KJ fan around other than GMAT and Rozier is FAR FAR FAR from the caliber of player of KJ. That is extremely insulting.

I wasn't comparing KJ's ability to Rozier, I was merely comparing the situations that Rozier is available and could be have like KJ was because he is quality PG playing behind a superstar PG. Rozier might never be a superstar but he will be a very serviceable Point guard in the league for a long time, did you see what he did in the playoffs last year? It is a no brainer to get him if the price is no more than a top 5 protected pick with JJ.

Yes, they need someone who's good in the pick and roll with ayton, play some d to check the other teams best guard, and hit some outside shots so the other team stays honest. Finding a guy who can do all 3 won't be easy but that should be the goal.

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SuperSunsFan wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:

SuperSunsFan wrote:I don't feel that an crap shot at the draft is going to do us any good given how bad our track record with the draft is. remember how KJ was stuck behind Mark Price and despite paying a steep price for him how acquiring him turned the franchise around almost instantly. Rozier could be the our next KJ, I understand the intrigue that comes with draft picks because the possibility of it turning into something magnificent but 1 million in my pocket right now is worth more than the 10 millions that i might or might not get in the future. When a known commodity like Rozier is available, he is worth more than that draft pick that might turn out to be the next Lebron in a 1 in a million shot or as easily the next Bender or Chriss.

I am probably the biggest KJ fan around other than GMAT and Rozier is FAR FAR FAR from the caliber of player of KJ. That is extremely insulting.

I wasn't comparing KJ's ability to Rozier, I was merely comparing the situations that Rozier is available and could be have like KJ was because he is quality PG playing behind a superstar PG. Rozier might never be a superstar but he will be a very serviceable Point guard in the league for a long time, did you see what he did in the playoffs last year? It is a no brainer to get him if the price is no more than a top 5 protected pick with JJ.

Rozier has been mostly terrible with a few great playoff games making people vastly overrate him. Under almost zero circumstances do I trade our own pick this year.

bwgood77 wrote:

SuperSunsFan wrote:

bwgood77 wrote:
I am probably the biggest KJ fan around other than GMAT and Rozier is FAR FAR FAR from the caliber of player of KJ. That is extremely insulting.

I wasn't comparing KJ's ability to Rozier, I was merely comparing the situations that Rozier is available and could be have like KJ was because he is quality PG playing behind a superstar PG. Rozier might never be a superstar but he will be a very serviceable Point guard in the league for a long time, did you see what he did in the playoffs last year? It is a no brainer to get him if the price is no more than a top 5 protected pick with JJ.

Rozier has been mostly terrible with a few great playoff games making people vastly overrate him. Under almost zero circumstances do I trade our own pick this year.

remember Dragic in the 2010 playoffs? he broke out as A player that year in the playoffs but kind off appeared to be regressing the next year continued to play behind Nash and that was when Suns traded him for Brooks. perhaps the regression was a result of him feeling disheartened for not being rewarded for the great performance in the playoffs. but that performance in the playoffs was no fluke,the quality was evidently there and once he adjusted and given the chance to start in Houston and later back in phoenix he flourished into a fine player and never looked back. Rozier is at a similar stage in his career. a young player doesn't just suddenly play great in the playoffs by luck, they have to have great potential to perform at that level consistently through out the whole playoffs, this is the perfect time to buy low, at the very least he could be a Reggie Jackson or Bledsoe for us which isn't bad to have in the backcourt with Booker. I would prefer a great passing Point guard with great shooting like Nash too but those players don't exist no more, even Paul is 34 and and a passing point with no shot like rubio are no longer effective in today's league.

Yes how this is even a question? Don't get too excited after one win.

I hope the only reason Suns haven't traded for a PG yet is because they are waiting for Ariza to be tradeable.

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