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http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

some interesting take aways for the suns, which fit very well with the eye test and most of us can see every game.

Devin Booker is the worst defender on the team so far. 408th in the NBA overall.
Josh Jackson has the second worst Offensive RPM in the whole NBA.
He is negative on Offense AND Defense. He got an image of an above avg defender, but has not shown any of it so far.

Our best player overall is Mikal Bridges.
So there you have it.

schnakenpopanz wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

some interesting take aways for the suns, which fit very well with the eye test and most of us can see every game.

Devin Booker is the worst defender on the team so far. 408th in the NBA overall.
Josh Jackson has the second worst Offensive RPM in the whole NBA.
He is negative on Offense AND Defense. He got an image of an above avg defender, but has not shown any of it so far.

Our best player overall is Mikal Bridges.
So there you have it.

Yeah, I posted this yesterday in the trade thread. Bridges and Booker the top two, slightly outside of top 100 as of yesterday at least, and TJ at 160 and I think Ayton at 218.

Ayton in C rankings was disappointing though...I think 40th and most below him are scrubs.

And then JJ 428th overall out of 430 (bottom two were #2 picks Bagley and Parker).

This was all as of yesterday though so before last night's game..so probably some things changed a bit.

This captures how I feel about RPM pretty well (found it on another board):

As for RPM, something is wrong with that formula if Giannis is #23 and Gasol is #1. They create the formulas by fiddling with key Constants based upon subjective opinion of what the outcome should be. These are not 100% Objective measures, more like 70% objective and 30% subjectivity built in via tweaking the numbers until the stars align -- pun intended.

Jstock12 wrote:This captures how I feel about RPM pretty well (found it on another board):

As for RPM, something is wrong with that formula if Giannis is #23 and Gasol is #1. They create the formulas by fiddling with key Constants based upon subjective opinion of what the outcome should be. These are not 100% Objective measures, more like 70% objective and 30% subjectivity built in via tweaking the numbers until the stars align -- pun intended.

None of them are perfect, but Gasol is legit playing crazy good right now averaging 17/10/4/1.7 stl/1.1 blk, 41.1% from 3. Giannis is still poor 3 pt and free throw shooter...I mean barely over 10% from 3.

Giannis is obviously the better player and I'm not sure Gasol can keep that up, but Memphis is playing very well.

I do wonder how Gasol ends up so much better on the defensive side (4.72-1.85), though, given he has fewer rebounds and blocks, though he does surprisingly have more steals.

It probably just comes down to the opponent scoring less when he's out there. I mean he was in the conversation for DPOY in years past.

Jstock12 wrote:This captures how I feel about RPM pretty well (found it on another board):

As for RPM, something is wrong with that formula if Giannis is #23 and Gasol is #1. They create the formulas by fiddling with key Constants based upon subjective opinion of what the outcome should be. These are not 100% Objective measures, more like 70% objective and 30% subjectivity built in via tweaking the numbers until the stars align -- pun intended.

I agree. My general view of 'advanced stats' is the more team oriented the sport the less reliable they are. They are the most accurate in baseball because it boils down to a lot of one on one performance; football is the least accurate because their are more players involved in a given play and it can have some unintended consequences. Basketball is somewhere in between; they are a good tool but should shouldn't be viewed as the end all be all to measure players. I do think we're better at measuring individual offense vs individual defense.

Now all that said I love all the new tech that's out there to measure performance and some of the synergy stuff is super cool. We're just starting to scratch the surface of this though.

Also some things that get called 'advanced stats' like true shooting percentage shouldn't fall in that grouping because it's just simple math.

Jstock12 wrote:This captures how I feel about RPM pretty well (found it on another board):

As for RPM, something is wrong with that formula if Giannis is #23 and Gasol is #1. They create the formulas by fiddling with key Constants based upon subjective opinion of what the outcome should be. These are not 100% Objective measures, more like 70% objective and 30% subjectivity built in via tweaking the numbers until the stars align -- pun intended.

There's no advanced stat out there that is perfect and 100% objective. But it's far better than any opinion which is by definition 100% subjective. I don't throw the baby out with the bath water when I see an anomaly

bwgood77 wrote:

schnakenpopanz wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

some interesting take aways for the suns, which fit very well with the eye test and most of us can see every game.

Devin Booker is the worst defender on the team so far. 408th in the NBA overall.
Josh Jackson has the second worst Offensive RPM in the whole NBA.
He is negative on Offense AND Defense. He got an image of an above avg defender, but has not shown any of it so far.

Our best player overall is Mikal Bridges.
So there you have it.

Yeah, I posted this yesterday in the trade thread. Bridges and Booker the top two, slightly outside of top 100 as of yesterday at least, and TJ at 160 and I think Ayton at 218.

Ayton in C rankings was disappointing though...I think 40th and most below him are scrubs.

And then JJ 428th overall out of 430 (bottom two were #2 picks Bagley and Parker).

This was all as of yesterday though so before last night's game..so probably some things changed a bit.

I wish Ayton was higher offensively. He's sandwiched right between Pau, Baynes and Cody Zeller. Defensively, it's about where I expected, poor. But at least it's better than Bamba who is somehow significantly worse than every C but Kanter.