Game 19: Phoenix Suns at Detroit Pistons, Sunday, November 25, 2PM MST

[handsome salary]

Suns saving me tons of time this year. Record the game. See the final score later on and then erase it. Bottom of Western conference still. Another wait until next year season.

I really would try to get behind this team if I felt it was on the upswing but after years of watching the inept floundering from the front office I won't until they prove me wrong. I watched less than stellar stuff put together under JC but that had a 'they can turn it around' faith and this is now.

[Kerrsed]

We got to find a legit point ...

Book is great at it in spurts but it takes a toll on his body

Ayton statistically killed it ... but needs more energy, however it was the end of a road trip and he was going against 2 all stars ... I still think Ayton did well

Spoiler:

I'd take a healthy IT in a heartbeat.

When does he get back from injury?

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[Revived]

The Suns need to replace Canaan with Okobo or Melton in the rotation and then just live with the minor mistakes that the rookies will make because it's still better than a 28 year journeyman PG looking completely lost out there.

[JMac1]

Rubbish assessment.

Ayton doesn't have natural feel?

The guy has excellent finishing abilities down low has elite hands for his size and knowshow to score down low one on one.

The team treats him like the Rockets treat Capela.... A finisher.

But Ayton should be used as a first option as he can find open men and can make the pass.

Man. Why even respond to these guys? Waste of time. Easiest way to get And 1's is blame Ayton

**** on Igor is also another easy way to get And1's it seems

Wrong. Most Igor lovers post here more than Ayton supports.

[lilfishi22]

Man. Why even respond to these guys? Waste of time. Easiest way to get And 1's is blame Ayton

**** on Igor is also another easy way to get And1's it seems

Wrong. Most Igor lovers post here more than Ayton supports.

Not sure how you could objectively quantify that because I read all the posts as well.

[DaleyBlind]

Igor really pissing me off with his Cannan fetish. What a freak. Stop playing Cannan.

[bwgood77]

Seriously. His stats will look great again, but his effort on D was awful. He just watches people go by him or hit shots over him. Just incredibly passive.

I didn't understand why he allows offensive rebounds...especially when he is guarding Drummond well, right there, and doesn't even go for the rebound. Happened multiple times. If he tried harder he could lead the NBA in rebounding.

Could be he is being instructed by the coaching staff to defend, box out, and allow someone else to grab it.

Well it didn't look like that was what he was doing.

[darealjuice]

I didn't understand why he allows offensive rebounds...especially when he is guarding Drummond well, right there, and doesn't even go for the rebound. Happened multiple times. If he tried harder he could lead the NBA in rebounding.

Could be he is being instructed by the coaching staff to defend, box out, and allow someone else to grab it.

Well it didn't look like that was what he was doing.

I mean Drummond is one of the best rebounders in the game, it’s not like he’s an easy task on the boards for Ayton. Drummond averages 6 offensive boards per game and 16 total, which is about in line with what he did today.

[SlovenianDragon]

I still really want to see Ayton shoot the 3 when hes left at the top all alone...Still don't get why hes not. Coaching? Idk.

Hes taken I think 2? But they were desperate far out ones with the shot clock winding down so it doesn't count.

If I was the coach Id have him practicing that top of the arc 3 point shot so we can use that as a weapon. And maybe they are? And just letting him get comfortable with it? But if they aren't they are ruining his development by not letting him shoot the 3 ball.

I mean brook lopez was 0-12 Ayton cant possibly be that bad lol.

[gaspar]

Good to see that Igor has TJ's back.

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[grumpysaddle]

Good to see that Igor has TJ's back.

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Call him out on the ejection, but you need to have your player's back, Igor. He is most likely just frustrated as **** that he never seems to get calls when he's constantly hacked. They don't call it often, I think, because he usually knocks the shots down inside and doesn't flail around like a car lot dancing tube thing... He needs to take a page from Griffin's handbook of acting like he was being shot on every play.

Tired of the piss poor officiating against the Suns. Well, more tired of it than usual. It's been pretty awful as the Suns have been playing more competitively of late. Just blatant bias against the team no matter what set of refs.

Also, WHY THE **** IS CANAAN (heard someone call him Pointless Guard, which is a perfect nickname!) GETTING SO MANY MINUTES STILL? I could see if the Suns were playing .500 ball with him in, but they're on pace for 16 or 17 wins this season. It's high time to try something else. He's an obvious detriment to the team outside of that one game he was 5-5 from 3, and I'm too lazy to look, but he probably had a negative +/- that game still, if I had to guess. I haven't minded the Crawford minutes outside of a few times when he chucks a bit too much, but then he comes around with 3 3s in about 45 seconds. I don't hate Canaan in the way I hated Mike James or Shannon Brown. I mean, he seems like a nice enough dude and he's just playing because they are letting him play, but... he's gotta **** go. Melton or Okobo can't do any worse in the loss column than Canaan. Let's see what they've got in them.

[garrick]

Good to see that Igor has TJ's back.

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I was disappointed he didn't jaw out the officials after that play, still TJ needs to be better than that and not leave his team hanging.

[Archx]

I still really want to see Ayton shoot the 3 when hes left at the top all alone...Still don't get why hes not. Coaching? Idk.

Hes taken I think 2? But they were desperate far out ones with the shot clock winding down so it doesn't count.

If I was the coach Id have him practicing that top of the arc 3 point shot so we can use that as a weapon. And maybe they are? And just letting him get comfortable with it? But if they aren't they are ruining his development by not letting him shoot the 3 ball.

I mean brook lopez was 0-12 Ayton cant possibly be that bad lol.

I was very surprised when i saw how automatic his mid range shot is. I wonder why he is not taking more of those. Bring his defender more towards him and create space under the basket. I mean Ayton has a lot of tools, but right now he is not using them enough or a lot even. Just waiting for easy baskets will not get you wins at the end of the day.

[Saberestar]

Good to see that Igor has TJ's back.

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Call him out on the ejection, but you need to have your player's back, Igor. He is most likely just frustrated as **** that he never seems to get calls when he's constantly hacked. They don't call it often, I think, because he usually knocks the shots down inside and doesn't flail around like a car lot dancing tube thing... He needs to take a page from Griffin's handbook of acting like he was being shot on every play.

Tired of the piss poor officiating against the Suns. Well, more tired of it than usual. It's been pretty awful as the Suns have been playing more competitively of late. Just blatant bias against the team no matter what set of refs.

Also, WHY THE **** IS CANAAN (heard someone call him Pointless Guard, which is a perfect nickname!) GETTING SO MANY MINUTES STILL? I could see if the Suns were playing .500 ball with him in, but they're on pace for 16 or 17 wins this season. It's high time to try something else. He's an obvious detriment to the team outside of that one game he was 5-5 from 3, and I'm too lazy to look, but he probably had a negative +/- that game still, if I had to guess. I haven't minded the Crawford minutes outside of a few times when he chucks a bit too much, but then he comes around with 3 3s in about 45 seconds. I don't hate Canaan in the way I hated Mike James or Shannon Brown. I mean, he seems like a nice enough dude and he's just playing because they are letting him play, but... he's gotta **** go. Melton or Okobo can't do any worse in the loss column than Canaan. Let's see what they've got in them.

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[bwgood77]

Also, WHY THE **** IS CANAAN (heard someone call him Pointless Guard, which is a perfect nickname!) GETTING SO MANY MINUTES STILL? I could see if the Suns were playing .500 ball with him in, but they're on pace for 16 or 17 wins this season. It's high time to try something else. He's an obvious detriment to the team outside of that one game he was 5-5 from 3, and I'm too lazy to look, but he probably had a negative +/- that game still, if I had to guess. I haven't minded the Crawford minutes outside of a few times when he chucks a bit too much, but then he comes around with 3 3s in about 45 seconds. I don't hate Canaan in the way I hated Mike James or Shannon Brown. I mean, he seems like a nice enough dude and he's just playing because they are letting him play, but... he's gotta **** go. Melton or Okobo can't do any worse in the loss column than Canaan. Let's see what they've got in them.

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It's too bad Okobo and Melton were worse when in, but it might be time to try them. Canaan still hitting over 35% from 3 though. Better than Book even.

We simply just lack options, and with TJ out it hurt more.

http://bkref.com/tiny/IT4zc

[grumpysaddle]

Also, WHY THE **** IS CANAAN (heard someone call him Pointless Guard, which is a perfect nickname!) GETTING SO MANY MINUTES STILL? I could see if the Suns were playing .500 ball with him in, but they're on pace for 16 or 17 wins this season. It's high time to try something else. He's an obvious detriment to the team outside of that one game he was 5-5 from 3, and I'm too lazy to look, but he probably had a negative +/- that game still, if I had to guess. I haven't minded the Crawford minutes outside of a few times when he chucks a bit too much, but then he comes around with 3 3s in about 45 seconds. I don't hate Canaan in the way I hated Mike James or Shannon Brown. I mean, he seems like a nice enough dude and he's just playing because they are letting him play, but... he's gotta **** go. Melton or Okobo can't do any worse in the loss column than Canaan. Let's see what they've got in them.

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It's too bad Okobo and Melton were worse when in, but it might be time to try them. Canaan still hitting over 35% from 3 though. Better than Book even.

We simply just lack options, and with TJ out it hurt more.

http://bkref.com/tiny/IT4zc

The problem with saying Canaan is shooting better from 3 than Booker is that Canaan often is left wiiiiiide open for his attempts, whereas Booker rarely gets more than a foot of space. I'd say he's the most guarded player in the league. Other teams' defenses have pretty much been "stop Booker at all costs, make the rest of the Suns beat you". And he's still putting up numbers. Ayton should start taking some of that pressure off if he gets more aggressive in looking for his own baskets, but so far he's a pick and roll or pop guy. He needs to look to drive when he gets it on the top of the key more often, which will collapse the defense and hopefully give Booker some more open looks, though, like i said, the other teams might still just say "stick to Booker like glue, no doubling off him ever".

[bwgood77]

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It's too bad Okobo and Melton were worse when in, but it might be time to try them. Canaan still hitting over 35% from 3 though. Better than Book even.

We simply just lack options, and with TJ out it hurt more.

http://bkref.com/tiny/IT4zc

The problem with saying Canaan is shooting better from 3 than Booker is that Canaan often is left wiiiiiide open for his attempts, whereas Booker rarely gets more than a foot of space. I'd say he's the most guarded player in the league. Other teams' defenses have pretty much been "stop Booker at all costs, make the rest of the Suns beat you". And he's still putting up numbers. Ayton should start taking some of that pressure off if he gets more aggressive in looking for his own baskets, but so far he's a pick and roll or pop guy. He needs to look to drive when he gets it on the top of the key more often, which will collapse the defense and hopefully give Booker some more open looks, though, like i said, the other teams might still just say "stick to Booker like glue, no doubling off him ever".

True, which is why more ball movement and getting him open looks off screens is important. You cannot have a guy like Booker who's best skill in shooting to be shooting 32.3% from 3. People can't really cheat off Ayton, and shouldn't cheat off of Ariza, Warren or Bridges, so he shouldn't be double teamed as much, and if he is can find the open guy.

No one should really shoot 3s unless it's an open look and they are pretty much wide open, so that's partly on Booker if he is trying to shoot at 3 while being double teamed. He has missed quite a few open ones as of late.

[DroughtsOverPHX]

I still really want to see Ayton shoot the 3 when hes left at the top all alone...Still don't get why hes not. Coaching? Idk.

Hes taken I think 2? But they were desperate far out ones with the shot clock winding down so it doesn't count.

If I was the coach Id have him practicing that top of the arc 3 point shot so we can use that as a weapon. And maybe they are? And just letting him get comfortable with it? But if they aren't they are ruining his development by not letting him shoot the 3 ball.

I mean brook lopez was 0-12 Ayton cant possibly be that bad lol.

For starters I'd like him to LOOK like he is going to shoot the three. At this point he is not acting like a scorer when he is past the top of the key. I'd tolerate him missing a few.

[NE1Care]

Looking back at these posts, Ayton has progressed but not to the level I had hoped. I am a fan and like the guy just a lot of expectations for our only #1 pick. I have moved on but come time for the playoffs he could be the X factor. We now what the rest of the guys can do. And Doug I tried to DM you but I will put it here, my side gig you mentioned is www.holdfastgloves.com I appreciate any support from other Suns fans.

[King4Day]

Looking back at these posts, Ayton has progressed but not to the level I had hoped. I am a fan and like the guy just a lot of expectations for our only #1 pick. I have moved on but come time for the playoffs he could be the X factor. We now what the rest of the guys can do. And Doug I tried to DM you but I will put it here, my side gig you mentioned is www.holdfastgloves.com I appreciate any support from other Suns fans.

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