Anyone can vote for the 3-2-1 (including other fans from other forums) but you can only vote for the Suns players (or coach).
3 votes to who you think was a the best Suns player. 2 for the second best and 1 for the 3rd best.
**EDIT: as of January something-or-other 2017, you can now distribute votes for the Nashty and Cactus however you please. You have a total of 6 votes to give out, but now you have the freedom to do what you want with those 6. The only condition which applies is no more than 3 votes can be given to one player in either award. **
In the event of a Suns loss, you are also encouraged to vote for the Cactus of the game:
-3 votes for the player most responsible for the loss -2 votes for the second most responsible -1 for the third most responsible
Any votes with more than 3 players listed and not in the required format will not count. Voting will close before the start of the next Suns game.
After the thread closes, the votes will be tallied. The highest scoring total Sun gets 3 points, the next 2, and the third gets 1 point towards their season total. In the event of a tie in a count for a game, if the result of the game is a Suns win, a maximum of 4 players will be awarded points. A tie in the event of a loss will only result in a maximum of 3 players getting awarded points.
The player with the highest total at season's end wins the award!
The same applies for the Cactus of the Year, although of course the lowest tally at year's end takes it.
10+1 Game update wooooooo
bat, where u been? Making a new scoring system that automatically pushes all y'all scores into the spreadsheet
Why'd it take so long for an update? I put it down to growing pains, trying to make this thing work better
How does it work? It tallies everyone's scores and then normalizes them. From there it distributes the scores for the game based on these normalized vote tallies.
Has anything changed in the way I vote? Not really. Of course, the more standard and consistent the voting style, the better for me to handle. It's still in development so I will begin to handle less standard styles of voting with time.
What are the scoring rules? Same as usual. We've stopped allowing voting for coach in the official vote as it messes with the consistency of the scoring system. As has always been the case - you cannot give any player in either award a vote bigger than +/-3. If you do, I just cap it at +/- 3.
However you'll now see in the spreadsheet that players are getting decimal scores and now some players are getting scores higher than 3. That's due to the game scaling. The standard score total to hand out is 6. In wins, that goes up, in losses that goes down. And vice versa for the Cactus.
HOWEVER this doesn't affect they way you vote for players- you still get only 6 votes in either award. The scaling comes after the votes are tallied.
Officially, the scores being given out in either award are calculated like this:
6 + 2*(margin/30)
Josh Jackson got a -4.1, whaaaaaaaat? -6 + 2*-(30/30) = -8 Suns lost by 30 so there were 8 Cactii to give out. Josh just happened to get a majority of them.
How accurate is this new app? As accurate as a human doing it. Because well, it's still a manual process. I confirm/edit each post's votes to make sure they are correct. It just happens to make things much quicker.
+3 Oubre +2 Ayton +1 Holmes
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:29 am
by Saberestar
+3 Ayton +3 Oubre
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:30 am
by KLEON
+3 Oubre +2 Ayton +1 JJ
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 5:19 am
by hollywood6964
2 oubre 2 ayton 1 jj 1 holmes
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:38 am
by ImNotMcDiSwear
+3 Melton... wtf? where's the love? +2 Oubre +0.5 Bridges +0.5 Jackson
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:03 am
by hollywood6964
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:+3 Melton... wtf? where's the love? +2 Oubre +0.5 Bridges +0.5 Jackson
I'd give him honerable mention, that little 0-7 from the field scared some away.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 12:54 pm
by Calvin Klein
+2 Oubre +1 Ayton +1 Melton +1 JJ +1 Holmes
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:00 pm
by Damkac
+3 Ayton +2 Oubre +1 Holmes
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:50 pm
by TASTIC
+3 Oubre +1 Ayton +1 Holmes +1 Melton
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:36 pm
by bwgood77
hollywood6964 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:+3 Melton... wtf? where's the love? +2 Oubre +0.5 Bridges +0.5 Jackson
I'd give him honerable mention, that little 0-7 from the field scared some away.
Yeah, I loved the 10 assists and 4 steals and defense on Murray, but the shooting does hurt. The main thing is the other 3 guys I voted for had big impact as well. I almost put HM for Melton too. Okobo did well too..half the minutes, half the assists, equal the rebounds and blocks, and a steal. They both are defending well, though Melton really well.
With +/-, our bench and Ayton were the difference in the game in pt margin.
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:+3 Melton... wtf? where's the love? +2 Oubre +0.5 Bridges +0.5 Jackson
I'd give him honerable mention, that little 0-7 from the field scared some away.
Yeah, I loved the 10 assists and 4 steals and defense on Murray, but the shooting does hurt. The main thing is the other 3 guys I voted for had big impact as well. I almost put HM for Melton too. Okobo did well too..half the minutes, half the assists, equal the rebounds and blocks, and a steal. They both are defending well, though Melton really well.
With +/-, our bench and Ayton were the difference in the game in pt margin.
I just think there's too much stat-counting going on here. Yeah, the bench was great, but Jokic not being on the court when the bench was in was certainly helpful. From my review, all of Ayton's transition buckets were the result of steals that were either Melton's or caused by Melton. Melton/Jackson/Bridges were the ones guarding Murray all night, and his struggles were also instrumental to our winning.
All these games we win with our hands and great defense - it starts with Melton. He's been everywhere. Fortunately, the broadcast crew, journalists and the coaches recognize how great he's been for us. It's disappointing, however, seeing other teams' fans (at least on reddit) notice him more than my crew here at realgm.
Everyone has their own opinions; it's cool to differ. I'm just surprised at the lack of love. We've talked about wanting a pass-first, defense-oriented PG. Now we have one, and all we do is whine about how much attention Luka Doncic receives in the press. WGAF.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:20 pm
by bwgood77
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
hollywood6964 wrote:I'd give him honerable mention, that little 0-7 from the field scared some away.
Yeah, I loved the 10 assists and 4 steals and defense on Murray, but the shooting does hurt. The main thing is the other 3 guys I voted for had big impact as well. I almost put HM for Melton too. Okobo did well too..half the minutes, half the assists, equal the rebounds and blocks, and a steal. They both are defending well, though Melton really well.
With +/-, our bench and Ayton were the difference in the game in pt margin.
I just think there's too much stat-counting going on here. Yeah, the bench was great, but Jokic not being on the court when the bench was in was certainly helpful. From my review, all of Ayton's transition buckets were the result of steals that were either Melton's or caused by Melton. Melton/Jackson/Bridges were the ones guarding Murray all night, and his struggles were also instrumental to our winning.
All these games we win with our hands and great defense - it starts with Melton. He's been everywhere. Fortunately, the broadcast crew, journalists and the coaches recognize how great he's been for us. It's disappointing, however, seeing other teams' fans (at least on reddit) notice him more than my crew here at realgm.
Everyone has their own opinions; it's cool to differ. I'm just surprised at the lack of love. We've talked about wanting a pass-first, defense-oriented PG. Now we have one, and all we do is whine about how much attention Luka Doncic receives in the press. WGAF.
I see a lot of mentions about him on twitter. I don't think people are ignoring him here...but partly those mentions are due to everyone saying we NEED a PG and having a 48th pick stand out so much. I think he had a lot of impact, but Ayton going against Jokic like that was more impressive. Murray killed us last game but has many bad games..only shot over 40% in 2 out of last 7 games. Also, Melton, Oubre and Bridges all had work against him.
I mean Oubre obviously had the biggest impact, with career high in points and boards, shooting very efficiently along with 4 3s, great D, a few assists, steals and blocks.
Everyone shot well against us last game. But our centers doing so well against a top 10 player in the league is really impressive, one being a rookie and another a journeyman center.
But if Melton wasn't a black hole shooting allowing defenders to sag off him and double others, it would make a tremendous difference. I love what he provided, but I think the whole team played well. Oubre just had a monster game, and Ayton was extremely effective..then Holmes held it down great when he sat as well. Melton solid game overall though..probably his best despite the shooting.
Just reading BSoTS they thought Ayton and Holmes were the stars of the game. I don't think anyone minimizes how well Melton is doing...I personally am not sure we need a PG if his progression continues...maybe not a starting one...I definitely wouldn't trade for one....and let him and Okobo get the playing time and development down the stretch.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:39 pm
by lilfishi22
+2 Ayton +2 Oubre +1 Holmes +1 Melton
Watching the game, it felt like JJ was having one of his solid run of games, every shot felt like it was going to go in. Perhaps it's the recency bias but looking at the box score: 6-18 from the field and 1-7 from the 3, not too impressed. Aside from that, his passing has looked good
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:39 am
by hollywood6964
bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:
bwgood77 wrote: Yeah, I loved the 10 assists and 4 steals and defense on Murray, but the shooting does hurt. The main thing is the other 3 guys I voted for had big impact as well. I almost put HM for Melton too. Okobo did well too..half the minutes, half the assists, equal the rebounds and blocks, and a steal. They both are defending well, though Melton really well.
With +/-, our bench and Ayton were the difference in the game in pt margin.
I just think there's too much stat-counting going on here. Yeah, the bench was great, but Jokic not being on the court when the bench was in was certainly helpful. From my review, all of Ayton's transition buckets were the result of steals that were either Melton's or caused by Melton. Melton/Jackson/Bridges were the ones guarding Murray all night, and his struggles were also instrumental to our winning.
All these games we win with our hands and great defense - it starts with Melton. He's been everywhere. Fortunately, the broadcast crew, journalists and the coaches recognize how great he's been for us. It's disappointing, however, seeing other teams' fans (at least on reddit) notice him more than my crew here at realgm.
Everyone has their own opinions; it's cool to differ. I'm just surprised at the lack of love. We've talked about wanting a pass-first, defense-oriented PG. Now we have one, and all we do is whine about how much attention Luka Doncic receives in the press. WGAF.
I see a lot of mentions about him on twitter. I don't think people are ignoring him here...but partly those mentions are due to everyone saying we NEED a PG and having a 48th pick stand out so much. I think he had a lot of impact, but Ayton going against Jokic like that was more impressive. Murray killed us last game but has many bad games..only shot over 40% in 2 out of last 7 games. Also, Melton, Oubre and Bridges all had work against him.
I mean Oubre obviously had the biggest impact, with career high in points and boards, shooting very efficiently along with 4 3s, great D, a few assists, steals and blocks.
Everyone shot well against us last game. But our centers doing so well against a top 10 player in the league is really impressive, one being a rookie and another a journeyman center.
But if Melton wasn't a black hole shooting allowing defenders to sag off him and double others, it would make a tremendous difference. I love what he provided, but I think the whole team played well. Oubre just had a monster game, and Ayton was extremely effective..then Holmes held it down great when he sat as well. Melton solid game overall though..probably his best despite the shooting.
Just reading BSoTS they thought Ayton and Holmes were the stars of the game. I don't think anyone minimizes how well Melton is doing...I personally am not sure we need a PG if his progression continues...maybe not a starting one...I definitely wouldn't trade for one....and let him and Okobo get the playing time and development down the stretch.
Yeah Melton's has some good floor games. Mostly on the defensive end. It's not that I was staring at the box score while watching the game, I've always said I'm an eye test guy, but it is what it is, he shot 0-7 n got bailed out on the missed 8th fg attempt (lay up) n got to the line for his only points. Nobody really guards him, he gets open looks, n has to pass them up n try to drive because he can't shoot anything. At least right now. The misses n the affect of not being to able keep the defense honest hurts the team a lot. Like I said, is what it is. The good is he is a good defender, and a marginal distributor. He'd be a lot better at that if he could score.
I don't think looking at him as if he's a future star and the answer to our point guard problems is the right lens to be viewing him through; frankly I think it's a homers view. I think he can be a backup, and maybe a starter, best case scenario, on a team that's hurting for a point n not very good.
Of course this could change as he's still a rookie, but I wouldn't project him as highly as some people have. I those types of projections are just unreasonable.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:02 am
by lilfishi22
Maybe it's just me but I don't really see how the opposing team giving Melton the green-light to shoot gives anyone the idea that we don't need a PG. It's not like he's a high level playmaker either. A lot of his assist are basic and fairly obvious passes. He doesn't draw any more than single defensive coverage no matter where he's on the court so he's not able to draw any defenders off their man. I don't think he's anymore than a 2nd or 3rd guard off the bench right especially since it's only his defense that is really keeping him on the floor.
If we have the opportunity to bring in a PG before the trade deadline, we should certainly do it.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:05 am
by ImNotMcDiSwear
Melton ain't nearly as bad on offense as Devin is on defense. Y'all are blind.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:13 am
by bwgood77
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Melton ain't nearly as bad on offense as Devin is on defense. Y'all are blind.
I agree with that. Assists is part of the offense. He has shot fairly well at times...just not the other night when a lot of other players played well on both sides.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:02 pm
by hollywood6964
bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Melton ain't nearly as bad on offense as Devin is on defense. Y'all are blind.
I agree with that. Assists is part of the offense. He has shot fairly well at times...just not the other night when a lot of other players played well on both sides.
That's not really saying much, Booker's defense is just about the worst you can possibly see. Even Melton's 0-7 with two points is nearly on par haha.
Re: Nashty: Game 44 vs Nuggets
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:30 pm
by ImNotMcDiSwear
hollywood6964 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:Melton ain't nearly as bad on offense as Devin is on defense. Y'all are blind.
I agree with that. Assists is part of the offense. He has shot fairly well at times...just not the other night when a lot of other players played well on both sides.
That's not really saying much, Booker's defense is just about the worst you can possibly see. Even Melton's 0-7 with two points is nearly on par haha.
If he qualified, Melton would lead ALL players in deflections AND steals per 36. Is it just that fans don't recognize defense or care about it to the extent they care about offensive production? The kid's tearing it up out there.
Is it just that fans don't recognize defense or care about it to the extent they care about offensive production? The kid's tearing it up out there.