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RaisingArizona wrote:Why is the shot not going to Booker? Sigh
Mjee wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:sunskerr wrote:Great last play ran by Igor to get a shot but just unfortunate to miss.
yeah but according to mjee, poor coaching
Dude Ayton should have been in the game that last defensive possession ...
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:Nice last shot but I'd still rather see Book take the last shot.
sunsbum wrote:Qwigglez wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:Why is the shot not going to Booker? Sigh
Yeah but that was what the Wizards were planning for. It was a great play by Igor, just missed a very wide open three. I was even watching Booker on my screen and didn't notice Daniels had snuck open.
43% 3pt shooter cant hit a wide open freethrow version of 3ptr... the hell do we pay you for?
bhawk wrote:Ayton played soft all game. Even got hit in the face and still didn’t show anything. Time to man up Ayton! Grow a pair and start pushing people around. So soft.
lilfishi22 wrote:sunsbum wrote:Qwigglez wrote:
Yeah but that was what the Wizards were planning for. It was a great play by Igor, just missed a very wide open three. I was even watching Booker on my screen and didn't notice Daniels had snuck open.
43% 3pt shooter cant hit a wide open freethrow version of 3ptr... the hell do we pay you for?
Even Steph Curry misses at the Free Throw line
Crives wrote:So I guess Jimmer is done for the season? Definitely shouldn’t get minutes over Troy
KLEON wrote:We all saw that Ayton played like hot garbage but some people still treat him as if he's the MVP of the league
Fo-Real wrote:Jarlaxle0204 wrote:Nice last shot but I'd still rather see Book take the last shot.
Jarlaxle0204 wrote:Fo-Real wrote:Jarlaxle0204 wrote:Nice last shot but I'd still rather see Book take the last shot.
Is this an angry face because you would have liked to see Booker take the last shot as well or is it an angry face for me wanting to see our clutch star player who had scored 50 points already on good efficiency take the last shot?
Just curious. I'm not unhappy with the last shot. It was wide open for Daniels who is a very good 3 point shooter. I just would have preferred the guy who hits big time shots, take the last shot.
Fo-Real wrote:Jarlaxle0204 wrote:Fo-Real wrote:
Is this an angry face because you would have liked to see Booker take the last shot as well or is it an angry face for me wanting to see our clutch star player who had scored 50 points already on good efficiency take the last shot?
Just curious. I'm not unhappy with the last shot. It was wide open for Daniels who is a very good 3 point shooter. I just would have preferred the guy who hits big time shots, take the last shot.
The play called and excited put the team in the best position to win the game. Even the camera man almost filmed the wrong person. You mention good efficiency, well throwing that ball to Booker at all costs in that situation is the equivalent of having faith in three quarter court heaves, the odds of an efficient shot for Book there is very low, everyone and their mamma was focused on him. I would rather a VERY clean shot from a guy who actually was having a decent shooting night to a heave from a guy covered by all 5 defenders and two refs.
Bob8 wrote:GoodBehavior wrote:Bob8 wrote:
I agree with you, Ayton is unfairly criticized. The expectations were too high for him. People just don’t realise how different today’s NBA is. Cs have generally big problems to compete with the best guards/wings. You have to be Embiid or Jokic like to be instrumental for your team’s offensive game or rim protector like Gobert to dominate in D. It’s impossible for a rookie to play like those players. And all the people, who are complaining about Kokoskov, just look at other classical Cs in their prime, how many attempts they have. Vast majority less than Ayton. The question is not if Ayton will become much better, he will, but if drafting a C. as a first pick was the right decision in today’s game.
I agree mostly with what you said except for the part of drafting ayton #1. He's not a traditional C, but a generational talent that fits perfectly in today's game. ayton has the capability of playing both small ball and traditional C on offense. He can punish traditional centers (PNR) and destroyed small ball centers (post-up). He's also one of the few centers that can guard the Giannis/Lebrons of the world. His rim protection has improved drastically as well. His defensive awareness and positioning are solid since the ASB. He has all the ingredients to not just be great, but a generational game changer. That's why he was drafted.
I am the minority here but I think this rookie class is way overhyped and overrated. Trae is really, really fun to watch. But I don't see how his offense game can overcome his sizeable defensive liabilities. Also he's a fantastic shooter, but questions remain if he can actually get his shot off against NBA length. Luka is also a defensive liability (his DPRM is around Warren's level) and Lowe did a snapshot of it in one of his articles. He's listed as a 4. A 4 that can't provide weak side protection is a big negative (see Suns' 2019 version). He's a 70% ft shooter, 33% 3pt shoot, and average/below average mid range shooter. I have my doubts that he's going to be a great 3pt shooter despite what some people say. People love Jared but he can't rebound for either a 4 or a 5 position. He picks up blocks and steals but with a ton of fouls. Marvin can't defend either position. ETC
5-10 years from now, I think if the draft was to be revisited, it would be ayton as clear cut #1: multiple all-stars/MVP/dark horse DOPY. Luka as a distant 2, above average player with all stars here and there. Robinson as a close 3: advanced stats love him. WCJ as a 4: move to the PF position, solid career. Marvin round outs the top 5: 6man of the year contender every year.
Nothing wrong to have an opinion. I will reply only about Luka’s position. He’s playing full time as Pg for the Mavs. That’s why they traded DSJ. He defends 2 or 3. He never played 4 for the Mavs. Entire Mavs defense collapsed after the trades, because they traded rim protector and Barnes/Wes who were both above average defenders. Just changing Dirk, who cannot even move anymore, with KP will do wonders for Mavs defense.
Booker having 50 points with incredible efficiency and very improved Ayton, you’re describing, should be enough to defeat very bad Washington. Don’t you think?
We're at game 76 of a rookie year where both Ayton and Bridges have played over 2000 minutes no shame in either guy hitting a rookie wall. These guys need some rest and then training to better survive season 2. That's just the way it is with guys their 1st year.tgtm_24 wrote:Bob8 wrote:GoodBehavior wrote:
I agree mostly with what you said except for the part of drafting ayton #1. He's not a traditional C, but a generational talent that fits perfectly in today's game. ayton has the capability of playing both small ball and traditional C on offense. He can punish traditional centers (PNR) and destroyed small ball centers (post-up). He's also one of the few centers that can guard the Giannis/Lebrons of the world. His rim protection has improved drastically as well. His defensive awareness and positioning are solid since the ASB. He has all the ingredients to not just be great, but a generational game changer. That's why he was drafted.
I am the minority here but I think this rookie class is way overhyped and overrated. Trae is really, really fun to watch. But I don't see how his offense game can overcome his sizeable defensive liabilities. Also he's a fantastic shooter, but questions remain if he can actually get his shot off against NBA length. Luka is also a defensive liability (his DPRM is around Warren's level) and Lowe did a snapshot of it in one of his articles. He's listed as a 4. A 4 that can't provide weak side protection is a big negative (see Suns' 2019 version). He's a 70% ft shooter, 33% 3pt shoot, and average/below average mid range shooter. I have my doubts that he's going to be a great 3pt shooter despite what some people say. People love Jared but he can't rebound for either a 4 or a 5 position. He picks up blocks and steals but with a ton of fouls. Marvin can't defend either position. ETC
5-10 years from now, I think if the draft was to be revisited, it would be ayton as clear cut #1: multiple all-stars/MVP/dark horse DOPY. Luka as a distant 2, above average player with all stars here and there. Robinson as a close 3: advanced stats love him. WCJ as a 4: move to the PF position, solid career. Marvin round outs the top 5: 6man of the year contender every year.
Nothing wrong to have an opinion. I will reply only about Luka’s position. He’s playing full time as Pg for the Mavs. That’s why they traded DSJ. He defends 2 or 3. He never played 4 for the Mavs. Entire Mavs defense collapsed after the trades, because they traded rim protector and Barnes/Wes who were both above average defenders. Just changing Dirk, who cannot even move anymore, with KP will do wonders for Mavs defense.
Booker having 50 points with incredible efficiency and very improved Ayton, you’re describing, should be enough to defeat very bad Washington. Don’t you think?
Not with Ayton only playing 26 mins!
Bob8 wrote:GoodBehavior wrote:Bob8 wrote:
I agree with you, Ayton is unfairly criticized. The expectations were too high for him. People just don’t realise how different today’s NBA is. Cs have generally big problems to compete with the best guards/wings. You have to be Embiid or Jokic like to be instrumental for your team’s offensive game or rim protector like Gobert to dominate in D. It’s impossible for a rookie to play like those players. And all the people, who are complaining about Kokoskov, just look at other classical Cs in their prime, how many attempts they have. Vast majority less than Ayton. The question is not if Ayton will become much better, he will, but if drafting a C. as a first pick was the right decision in today’s game.
I agree mostly with what you said except for the part of drafting ayton #1. He's not a traditional C, but a generational talent that fits perfectly in today's game. ayton has the capability of playing both small ball and traditional C on offense. He can punish traditional centers (PNR) and destroyed small ball centers (post-up). He's also one of the few centers that can guard the Giannis/Lebrons of the world. His rim protection has improved drastically as well. His defensive awareness and positioning are solid since the ASB. He has all the ingredients to not just be great, but a generational game changer. That's why he was drafted.
I am the minority here but I think this rookie class is way overhyped and overrated. Trae is really, really fun to watch. But I don't see how his offense game can overcome his sizeable defensive liabilities. Also he's a fantastic shooter, but questions remain if he can actually get his shot off against NBA length. Luka is also a defensive liability (his DPRM is around Warren's level) and Lowe did a snapshot of it in one of his articles. He's listed as a 4. A 4 that can't provide weak side protection is a big negative (see Suns' 2019 version). He's a 70% ft shooter, 33% 3pt shoot, and average/below average mid range shooter. I have my doubts that he's going to be a great 3pt shooter despite what some people say. People love Jared but he can't rebound for either a 4 or a 5 position. He picks up blocks and steals but with a ton of fouls. Marvin can't defend either position. ETC
5-10 years from now, I think if the draft was to be revisited, it would be ayton as clear cut #1: multiple all-stars/MVP/dark horse DOPY. Luka as a distant 2, above average player with all stars here and there. Robinson as a close 3: advanced stats love him. WCJ as a 4: move to the PF position, solid career. Marvin round outs the top 5: 6man of the year contender every year.
Nothing wrong to have an opinion. I will reply only about Luka’s position. He’s playing full time as Pg for the Mavs. That’s why they traded DSJ. He defends 2 or 3. He never played 4 for the Mavs. Entire Mavs defense collapsed after the trades, because they traded rim protector and Barnes/Wes who were both above average defenders. Just changing Dirk, who cannot even move anymore, with KP will do wonders for Mavs defense.
Booker having 50 points with incredible efficiency and very improved Ayton, you’re describing, should be enough to defeat very bad Washington. Don’t you think?
Fo-Real wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:Why is the shot not going to Booker? Sigh
Because everyone in the goddamn world (arena and Tv) were goddamn sure Booker would get the ball so EVERYBODY GUARDED HIM!!!! Which is why Daniels had a WIDE OPEN SHOT!! that he unfortunately missed. Does this really need to be explained to you?? Great call by the coach, missed the shot. Would have been ignorant to think Book could get a clean look in that situation, how on earth does you brain not figure that?
RaisingArizona wrote:Fo-Real wrote:RaisingArizona wrote:Why is the shot not going to Booker? Sigh
Because everyone in the goddamn world (arena and Tv) were goddamn sure Booker would get the ball so EVERYBODY GUARDED HIM!!!! Which is why Daniels had a WIDE OPEN SHOT!! that he unfortunately missed. Does this really need to be explained to you?? Great call by the coach, missed the shot. Would have been ignorant to think Book could get a clean look in that situation, how on earth does you brain not figure that?
So what! I'd rather Book take the shot with 4 guys draped on him than Daniels. Has Troy ever made a clutch shot for the Suns? Also, learn to use the multiquote feature.
carey wrote:It is 2-time, every time.
GoodBehavior wrote:Bob8 wrote:GoodBehavior wrote:
I agree mostly with what you said except for the part of drafting ayton #1. He's not a traditional C, but a generational talent that fits perfectly in today's game. ayton has the capability of playing both small ball and traditional C on offense. He can punish traditional centers (PNR) and destroyed small ball centers (post-up). He's also one of the few centers that can guard the Giannis/Lebrons of the world. His rim protection has improved drastically as well. His defensive awareness and positioning are solid since the ASB. He has all the ingredients to not just be great, but a generational game changer. That's why he was drafted.
I am the minority here but I think this rookie class is way overhyped and overrated. Trae is really, really fun to watch. But I don't see how his offense game can overcome his sizeable defensive liabilities. Also he's a fantastic shooter, but questions remain if he can actually get his shot off against NBA length. Luka is also a defensive liability (his DPRM is around Warren's level) and Lowe did a snapshot of it in one of his articles. He's listed as a 4. A 4 that can't provide weak side protection is a big negative (see Suns' 2019 version). He's a 70% ft shooter, 33% 3pt shoot, and average/below average mid range shooter. I have my doubts that he's going to be a great 3pt shooter despite what some people say. People love Jared but he can't rebound for either a 4 or a 5 position. He picks up blocks and steals but with a ton of fouls. Marvin can't defend either position. ETC
5-10 years from now, I think if the draft was to be revisited, it would be ayton as clear cut #1: multiple all-stars/MVP/dark horse DOPY. Luka as a distant 2, above average player with all stars here and there. Robinson as a close 3: advanced stats love him. WCJ as a 4: move to the PF position, solid career. Marvin round outs the top 5: 6man of the year contender every year.
Nothing wrong to have an opinion. I will reply only about Luka’s position. He’s playing full time as Pg for the Mavs. That’s why they traded DSJ. He defends 2 or 3. He never played 4 for the Mavs. Entire Mavs defense collapsed after the trades, because they traded rim protector and Barnes/Wes who were both above average defenders. Just changing Dirk, who cannot even move anymore, with KP will do wonders for Mavs defense.
Booker having 50 points with incredible efficiency and very improved Ayton, you’re describing, should be enough to defeat very bad Washington. Don’t you think?
Luka plays as the 4. This was discussed in a previous trend. He'll likely play the 3 when Porzingis is healthy. It's going to be interesting to see how he guards against the quicker 3's.
Ayton did not play well, he was meh. Booker was the only starter that did well IMO. Bender exceeded his low, low expectation. Bender and Melton do not belong on the roster, let alone being starters. You're going to have a bad time with 2 starters of that caliber. With Oubre/Johnson, I think the outcome would be different.
Fo-Real wrote:bhawk wrote:Ayton played soft all game. Even got hit in the face and still didn’t show anything. Time to man up Ayton! Grow a pair and start pushing people around. So soft.
I dont mind him getting hit and being a baby about it for a minute, but he literally kept pouting about it for the next like 8 times up and down the court. kept touching his face like he was bleeding (he wasnt , not from his face but from his vag maybe). Literally mentally took him out of the game for a 5-8 minute stretch because he was lingering on it.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Thomas Bryant was a nice waiver wire pick up for the Wizards last summer.... 4.9 WS and a 20 PER. Reason I wouldn't pay Holmes more than a small contract this summer, it's just not that hard to find productive bigs.
