Preacherpj wrote:Jesus_H_Macy wrote:Preacherpj wrote:
Its not a backtrack at all, unless you think he just ignored better offers to jump at the opportunity to give away a draft pick. I get you don't like Jones, but nobody would do that.
I realize we are all making some assumptions here since it's impossible for us to know what really went down, but why are you confident that was the best offer we could get for Warren? Is it not equally likely or more likely that Jowers (yes I'm starting that up until they make me look stupid
) called around and the other smart GMs they talked to gave them a lowball starting-point offer, like how negotiations normally start, and Jowers just threw up their hands and said oh well I guess that's the best offer we better take it now? There's a reason everyone but some of the posters on our board are slamming this trade. I'd like to believe Jowers and those posters are smarter than everyone else but it's just mathematically unlikely. It's OK to both acknowledge the trade sucked for us and also be excited about the possibilities of the cap space. They don't need to be mutually exclusive. All we can hope for now is a good signing with the cap space so that we can all try to convince ourselves the ends justified the means.
that could be possible as well.... but I find it incredibly hard to believe that they shopped Warren, settled on this deal but had they waited some teams out something significantly better was going to come along.
I've said I didn't like attaching the 32nd pick, its obviously not optimal.
But its also the 32nd pick in a draft, I think fans are overstating its value in an effort to pile on.
I understand your point, but it's a valuable pick to a team with a good FO...so maybe you're right, it doesn't have a lot of value for us
. If we were giving them a bad contract/bad player, bad contract/good player, or bad player/good contract it would be easier to understand why we gave them a pick. But I see Warren as a good player/good contract which makes it crazy to me that we gave an asset to dump him, regardless of what that asset was. Maybe that's where the disconnect over opinions on that trade are coming from, the judgement of what Warren and his contract were. If people on the board see him as bad player/bad contract then I can understand why they thought the deal was OK (although we already burned up most of that cap space we gained so...)
Waiting may or may not have gotten them a better deal. But ask yourself, would Pop have made that trade? What about Morey? Myers? If TJ was already on Indy, and they wanted to free up cap to sign D-Lo, do you think they would have given us a pick to just absorb him into our cap space? Which FO with a proven track record of making good deals do you think wouldn't have been able to negotiate that trade with Indy so that it was flipped around with them giving us a pick instead? If the deal we made was the final deal of the negotiation then where do you think Indy started from? Two future 1st for TJ?
