2019 Draft Discussion - Draft Day!

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'd guess his floor is ATL at 8. He makes sense for them to gamble on considering they have 2 picks.

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Yeah, I would say 4-8 range.

I'm with you guys. He's going to be interesting to watch. How often do guys become good NBA players after being as bad as him in college? His game is so visually appealing and the situation at Duke wasn't ideal for him, but he didn't come within miles of his expectations.

Yeah I had mentioned the other day im not sure I ever remember a prospect where theoretically what he should be looking at his skill set and physical package differed from his actual performance on the court.

One thing I always try to keep in mind is even a whole college season is a realtively small sample size in the grand scheme of things.



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I've been high on him for awhile now, As has Crives and a few others. He'd be a steal for us in the 18-21 range of the draft IF we go with a point guard instead of Clarke at 6.

He's got great size and girth at 6'10 and 250lbs. He's very mobile, He can hit the three, as well as block shots. He compares to a young Serge Ibaka.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/mfiondu-kabengele-1.html .

He's been averaging- 13 points/ 5 rebounds/ 2pt FG 50%/ 3pt. 36%/ free throw % 76/ and 1.5 blocks.

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A trade with Indiana - Jackson for TJ Leaf and their 18th pick would put us in range for either Kabengele or Johnson.

That's a veteran big on a cheap contract who can shoot the 3( Leaf), a young prospect big man who can block shots and hit the three( Kabengele) and around 4 million in cap space.

I'd argue that is a pretty good haul for Jackson, given his current lack of perceived value.

I think that if you go with a guard at 6, Then you definitely need to consider Kabengele later.

Or if you go with Clarke at 6, You then look at possibly trading something like Warren and the Milwaukee pick to Boston for Smart and their 14th pick. ( if possible).

Then with the 14th pick take NAW, As he projects along the lines of a Brogdon/ Dinwiddie hybrid.

Yes, I know you guys are high on him. I see you post here every once in a while and write a word or two about your thoughts.

[bwgood77]

Going to be interesting to see how much teams overlook Reddish’s disappointing season when he comes in and kills empty gym workouts

I am kind of interested in the same about Garland. It almost feels as if not playing helped him. If only Reddish and Little had gotten injured 4 games in.

[bwgood77]

Since everyone is basically a crapshoot after Zion why not try to trade down and try to get two solid role players/projects? Say Atlanta (Clarke and White/NAW) or Boston (NAW, Kabelenge, etc)

Well because we already have four rookies on last years team and don't really need to add one let alone two/three rookies (2nd round pick) this year. Better to move the pick so we can get some veteran players.

Five...don't do Spalding like that!

[darealjuice]

I'm with you guys. He's going to be interesting to watch. How often do guys become good NBA players after being as bad as him in college? His game is so visually appealing and the situation at Duke wasn't ideal for him, but he didn't come within miles of his expectations.

Yeah I had mentioned the other day im not sure I ever remember a prospect where theoretically what he should be looking at his skill set and physical package differed from his actual performance on the court.

One thing I always try to keep in mind is even a whole college season is a realtively small sample size in the grand scheme of things.

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It's a small sample size, but I think we have a pretty good idea of where he is as a shooter. His 267 attempts from 3 is a solid amount more than anyone took last season for the Suns not named Devin Booker and Mikal Bridges in less than half the games. He also struggled finishing around the rim this year, which is only going to get more difficult in the NBA. I hope he overcomes his season at Duke, but it'd be a bit of an anomaly.

[darealjuice]

Going to be interesting to see how much teams overlook Reddish’s disappointing season when he comes in and kills empty gym workouts

I am kind of interested in the same about Garland. It almost feels as if not playing helped him. If only Reddish and Little had gotten injured 4 games in.

I see it both ways. I think a combination of scoring so efficiently in his 4 games, having a reputation as a scorer in high school, and the league becoming 3-point dominant has led to his stock being high. I do wonder if he'd be in the Ja Morant/RJ Barrett tier if he kept his pre-injury average of 20 points per game on 60+ TS% in the SEC and continued to develop as a distributor though.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I'm with you guys. He's going to be interesting to watch. How often do guys become good NBA players after being as bad as him in college? His game is so visually appealing and the situation at Duke wasn't ideal for him, but he didn't come within miles of his expectations.

Yeah I had mentioned the other day im not sure I ever remember a prospect where theoretically what he should be looking at his skill set and physical package differed from his actual performance on the court.

One thing I always try to keep in mind is even a whole college season is a realtively small sample size in the grand scheme of things.

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It's a small sample size, but I think we have a pretty good idea of where he is as a shooter. His 267 attempts from 3 is a solid amount more than anyone took last season for the Suns not named Devin Booker and Mikal Bridges in less than half the games. He also struggled finishing around the rim this year, which is only going to get more difficult in the NBA. I hope he overcomes his season at Duke, but it'd be a bit of an anomaly.

The finishing scares me the most. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm optimistic with his mechanics the 3pt shooting will come around.

He's lucky he's in this draft class, in a normal year he could fall like a rock. But in this class I could see a GM looking at the prospects hating them all and saying **** it I'll take the dude I loved in HS.

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[Blonde]

I’ve been looking into players at 32 the last few days. Guys like Grant Williams and Cam Johnson are pretty self explanatory but will likely go in the 1st. I still think Jontay would be an incredible get at 32 regardless of his injuries - it’s no risk at all to us at 32 for a super highly skilled big man.

Dedric Lawson is the other name I keep coming back to. Put up 19/10/2 with over a block and steal per game. Love his rebounding and shooting from 3 (39%) and FT (81%). He’s got an NBA ready frame and a 7’2.5” wingspan. Kansas wasn’t great this year but he pretty much did it all for them. I’d note that his assist numbers cut in half when he transferred to Kansas which I found interesting. He definitely shows some passing touch so there may be room to grow there.

The last name I want to mention is Tyler Herro, who I know will probably be a mid first and won’t be on the Suns, but I think he’ll be one of the biggest steals in this class wherever he goes.

[bigfoot]

Since everyone is basically a crapshoot after Zion why not try to trade down and try to get two solid role players/projects? Say Atlanta (Clarke and White/NAW) or Boston (NAW, Kabelenge, etc)

Well because we already have four rookies on last years team and don't really need to add one let alone two/three rookies (2nd round pick) this year. Better to move the pick so we can get some veteran players.

Five...don't do Spalding like that!

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[kennydorglas]

Reddish looks like Jayson Tatum tbh.
This guy was destroying every single EYBL event.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I've said a lot of negative things about this class but one positive is most of the guys in the suns range will play hard and don't dog it out there. Clarkes game is built on that and he'll fill up the hustle stats, Culver plays hard and sound D with a good feel, even Coby really competes hell fight through a screen and while he's a little wild on O the dude plays fast.

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[Frank Lee]

Bucks to biscuits we will be drafting for someone else. Trading down or out is the play here.

And come on Holmes .... wtf ? GD amateurs

Both he and Jackson can party on elsewhere. Example time, as both are easily replaced.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I've said a lot of negative things about this class but one positive is most of the guys in the suns range will play hard and don't dog it out there. Clarkes game is built on that and he'll fill up the hustle stats, Culver plays hard and sound D with a good feel, even Coby really competes hell fight through a screen and while he's a little wild on O the dude plays fast.

This is what people loved about Josh Jackson. Playing hard isn't enough, though it is a requisite.

Bucks to biscuits we will be drafting for someone else. Trading down or out is the play here.

Word. I like Clarke, but at the back of the lottery rather than the top. BUT if he isn't available where we end up picking, there's Kabengele, Hachimura, Williams, etc., whereas the players who should be taken #6 are all wing players. Let's pick up some value, whether that be in the form of one or more future picks, the addition of a future player or relief from Tyler's contract. Don't lose Josh or TJ for nothing in the deal.

I just don't see how we get max value from simply making the pick unless we've correctly identified a future great player in range of the #6.

This is the play I wanted us to make in 2016, to grab Sabonis rather than Bender/Chriss. I really hope Jones is on the same page. He's well-positioned to make a good deal. DO IT!

[BobbieL]

Bucks to biscuits we will be drafting for someone else. Trading down or out is the play here.

And come on Holmes .... wtf ? GD amateurs

Both he and Jackson can party on elsewhere. Example time, as both are easily replaced.

I am not moving on from Jackson as he got into a bit of trouble at the Miami music festival and I am not moving on from Holmes over this little weed thing . I am moving from Jackson as I think his 7will be need to spend on PG and or PF.. As for Holmes, at the right price - he is a good player. I like what he brings to the team. He just needs to be more careful - do it in your home big fella!

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?s=09 . I wonder which prospects have us on their short list?


https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nba/suns/2019/05/17/gonzagas-brandon-clarke-dreams-playing-home-phoenix-suns/3703884002/ .

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[bwgood77]

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Probably all wanting to get drafted by the Suns after watching our draft picks thrive the last few years.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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?s=09 .

Probably all wanting to get drafted by the Suns after watching our draft picks thrive the last few years.

Well......Obviously

[Ghost of Kleine]

Also with respect to Clarke, Check this out!

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https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/bpxt0j/oc_brandon_clarke_was_a_historically_great_ncaa/ .